How is Google Spidering My Shopping Cart?

[cz]

I have an old Yahoo Legacy version site and it has a 301 re-direct for all of the weird variations of 2 or three Y! urls. It allows you to designate which url will be shown.

Most 99% have them set to the vanity URL www. example. com for example. Anything spidered or is then cached as www. example. com and not the "store.example.yahoo.net" and other strange inherent urls that are assigned to an account.

All of my UL's are cached properly in GG and other SE's except the cart is coming up with the old account name (you can call the domain anything you want if you own the domain) but the account name you open it with is always one of the weird urls that Y! assigns to you. That's where we've come full circle.

I'm building another site and want to use the www.storeaccount name.com and don't want to since my shopping cart still persists in showing up in the address bar while in the cart page. That's the only place that my new domain is duplicated - and I just found out - I might have wasted my money since GG has my shopping cart in their results listed under the wrong url name. How can I stop this? Anyone plz?

See here:

personaldefensesystems - Google Search toward the bottom is this link: Shopping Cart like I was telling you about (can't get the damn account name out of the cart). I just checked the re-directs and they work globally on the website, except in the cart Shopping Cart (I just copied that last URL in my cart's address bar - and the one in Google (above - leads to the same cart page on Safety Enforcement.)

[incrediblehelp]

Well some how Google spider is getting into this cart by way of links. Where is this taking place?

[wige]

I take it your main url is safetyenforcement.com. On this site, on every page you have a "show order" link, which points to http://order.store.yahoo.net/cgi-bin/wg-order?personaldefensesystems, which is what Google is crawling to access and crawl your shopping cart.

[dann]

Why would you want Google crawling your cart anyway.
Can't you just disallow in your robots.txt.

[cz]

Sorry guys,
I didn't get a notification of reply. The personaldefensesystemscart page is the account name when that store and was opened - can't be changed by Y! (or they won't?)

I have the domain name of Safety Enforcement.com on that store account now with every other Y! subdomain resolving to it and not the account name.

I want to use the Personal Defense Sytsems.com domain name on another site but fear that something will jam me up in Google since the cart on the first site has the domain name that I want to launch the next site on.

Jaan I talked to a Y! Store Design Co. today and they said it's impossible to block the original storename (acct. name when you purchase a website solution from them) from GG getting the name in the cart. Like wige said it can be hit from the "show cart" nav buttons probably.

It just seems possible with all the guys/gals around that someone could make a fix for GG not to cache my cart - why do that anyway?

I'll need to check into robot text as I have neevr used it - a possible fix eh? Would you put it on globally since all the pages have a show cart or sow order link o the side nav bar? It could work maybe - wonder what those guys were thinking about that said it couldn't be stopped?

[tnt7]

Originally Posted by dann

Why would you want Google crawling your cart anyway.
Can't you just disallow in your robots.txt.

Yahoo does not give access to robot.txt

Will that actually do any real harm? All that it is an id. Would SE actually associate it with www.personaldefensesystems.com. Even if you did open personal defense systems with yahoo you would have to name the account something different since it already exists in yahoo's database. You would have to point your url(personaldefensesystems.com) to your new yahoo account. The cart page on your new account could't have that same query in it so it would look like http://order.store.yahoo.net/cgi-bin/wg-order?yournewaccount.

[incrediblehelp]

To take tnt post further, are these URLs bothering you because they rank well? if not then tnt is right right, why care. Sure I would like to get rid of these URLs to if possible and one of the ways is to stop lining to them? Can you deliver a 404 header for these URLs when they are removed.

It amazes me sometimes the limitations host, carts and businesses in general put on their clients websites sometimes.

[cz]

I opened a Y! store Jaan and named it personaldefensesystems - and it became my I.D. or account name from Y! and was automatically assigned some weird sub-account names like the one TNT displayed.

I changed the vanity domain to Safety Enforcement - which ranks good for some terms in a highly saturated niche. I enjoy operating that little store more than my other web properties so I thought - why not build another one and get it out there?

I have the name Personal defense systems in the .com and .net versions and thought I'd use it in the newer site. I had misgiving because the store account persdefsyst.... is cached in Google and is in the shopping cart only. Everything else is 301 redirected to resolve at the Safety Enforcement website (first store) except the shopping cart which remains (as written in my first post).

I thought I'd run afoul with another site named like the shopping cart page - but as TNT pointed out - it will be a new account displaying in the cart only which makes it the same as the original - hope you're following. So should be no problems as first site is PR5 and makes enough money that I'd like to double it - in time.

Probably fussing about nothing but GG can be ruthless as we all knew and I thought I'd better post about it first. You're right about complete store solutions - they sure have some whacky constraints and aggravating quirks to get around. Good for beginners and do it yourselfers though!

[incrediblehelp]

OK, seems fine. How similar are the product pages to each other?

[cz]

The products will be 60% same and another 40% of products that I currently am not carrying. The site will be new, and all descriptions will be re-written with new "on page text" and the internals I believe are CSS coded mostly - by default wheras the old one is called RTML mixed with lots of tables (those will be largely eliminated on the new site).

The images will be mostly the same. Some of my competitors have two sites in Google with a mirror site and only the domain is different?! Mine will be unlike the first site except for the new one is a new "look", over half the products will be the same - but as a long time blogger - I'm sure a few changes here and there per page, of text descriptions will be a fairly easy and methodical.

It won't look the same at all and have more products. A total of maybe 250 items instead of the current 155 product pages. New head & meta tags will be tweaked differently and different for the engines.

Thanks Jaan!

[teksty32]

Depends of your links sistem.

[Traffic Master]

Which link system?

[gulfscapes magazine]

Is it important to keep google from your shopping cart?

[incrediblehelp]

cz, I appreciate you explaining more, but I would have to see it in action to properly advise. It seems this set could work as Google simply filters out duplicates.

As for blocking spiders from your cart, this is also a depends questions which an example page(s) would be helpful before saying yes or no.

I am personally not a big fan of blocking spider from content. I also dont believe in something called" PR hoarding" where it is back to link out to your cart if they (SE's) are not going to index it properly.