Yahoo PR

mystic · #1 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 06:03 AM

Ok I've always heard about people saying the best way to get traffic is to get many links to your site so you can get a high PR in google. But what about yahoo? do they go by PR as well? if so how can i check a yahoo PR? and how often do they update PR, and what do they base PR on links like google or something else? Please give me all info on optimizing my site for yahoo! Any and all advice will be appreciated!

**brian.mark** · #2 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 12:27 PM

As I stated in your thread in the MSN forum, Google is the only one with PR. Yahoo is all about on-page factors (H1, strong text, meta tags, page title, page content, etc.) with little emphasis on the off-page stuff (anchor text, PR, etc.)

Brian.

mystic · #3 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 12:44 PM

well i no with google if i want a high PR or to rank high in searches the more links to my site the better, but what do i need to do to rank high in yahoo searches?

**brian.mark** · #4 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 12:46 PM

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Yahoo is all about on-page factors (H1, strong text, meta tags, page title, page content, etc.) with little emphasis on the off-page stuff (anchor text, PR, etc.)

What else do you need?

Brian.

mystic · #5 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 01:04 PM

I have a wholesale directory and i was looking at another one that said that they had a google PR of 5 and a yahoo PR of 4. How can i check yahoo PR's? or r they talking about something else that i don't know

**brian.mark** · #6 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 01:12 PM

I've never heard anyone mention a Yahoo PR before. If they have that, I think it'd be news to just about everyone on WPW.

PR (PageRank) is patented by Google, so I'm fairly certain that Yahoo isn't violating that and using something called PR meaning PageRank. Were they possibly referring to their SERP position as the ranking?

Brian.

mystic · #7 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 01:18 PM

i woulda showed you the page but i guess they changed that page since last time i was there to a forum instead of stating why its right to advertise with them

wrmineo · #8 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mystic

I have a wholesale directory and i was looking at another one that said that they had a google PR of 5 and a yahoo PR of 4. How can i check yahoo PR's? or r they talking about something else that i don't know

Yahoo! has enough problems without trying to copy Google PR technology and methodology only to find themselves being crushed by legal action from G ...

If you want to rank well, focus on your site, not on a specific search engine. If your site follows some basic guidelines and has quality content, you'll do fine. You can always tweak to specific genres, demographic and engines once you take care of the basics.

I seem to recall you getting lots of good advice about your site in the Review Forum, but you seem to have chosen to ignore the fact that it will take patience, professionalism and persistance - NOT shortcuts.

I wish you luck in your endeavor, but I fear you're fighting an uphill battle if you don't take some time instead of looking for work-arounds.

Might I add:

1. Title is King!

Of course, other factors have an affect on the effectiveness to drive SERP, but if all else is correct, your title sets you aside. This is your headline in the search engine! Identify your site, and make a keyword/content rich, short statement. The search engine will likely notice and so will the web surfer even if you're #3 verus #1.

2. URL / File Structure

When the title is tight with the content, the file structure is a nice way to help your page standout to a SE spider and hence, information seeker.

3. Content

No sense beating this dead horse. However, I'll add that ensuring my images are mapped, named and given alt-text has helped propel results on Google and Yahoo Image searches! (image file names can be optimized too)

4. Code

There's a million validators out there, choose at will - just do it. I know, Google, Yahoo and others don't even have W3C code compliant pages and yet they're obviously not plagued with PR or SERP woes. As they say, "It's nice to be the King" ... deal with it. We're not talking about comptemplating Pascal's "Wager", it your website. The fact is, code that is clean and loads faster can't hurt, so why not?

As a result of my learning curve from starting out, I'm playing major clean up and catch up with Google, but I'm seeing results as I apply these key components. I'm ranking well on competitive keywords in Yahoo! and MSN and their subs, and all of my pages received an increase in Google PR on the last update.

Everyone talks about the different ranking formula's of the different search engine giants. Some things appear to have equal weighting factors, regardless of platform: Title, File Structure, Content, and Code.

Good Luck!

cbp · #9 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 08:52 PM

All search engines use some form of link popularity to rank sites (they all put different emphasis on it). The only difference is that Google have given it a trademarked name - PR --- the others just call it link populairty.

CBP

mystic · #10 (**permalink**) 05-13-2005, 08:56 PM

thanks for the info guys!

wrmineo · #11 (**permalink**) 05-14-2005, 12:06 PM

Good Luck mystic!

Just remember, it's not about the amount or size always, but about the quality ... yes, still talking about content ... get your mind out of the gutter ... lol.

Happy Ranking ~ Good Luck!

bhartzer · #12 (**permalink**) 05-17-2005, 07:20 PM

A while back Yahoo! released the Yahoo! WebRank as a part of the Yahoo! toolbar. They let a select few people test it, and as far as I know they're still using Yahoo! WebRank.

Here's where you can actually see what your page's WebRank score is:
http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/webrank/

cbp · #13 (**permalink**) 05-17-2005, 07:26 PM

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Yahoo! WebRank.

That was like Alexa - ie it was a ranking of a sites popularity based on visits from those with the Yahoo toolbar installed --- fortunatly they stopped using it ;-)

CBP

mystic · #14 (**permalink**) 05-17-2005, 07:28 PM

i'm sure they did because i checked web ranks of sites that have a google pr of 5 or 6 and they had a 0 web rank with yahoo and that was odd

wrmineo · #15 (**permalink**) 05-31-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mystic

i'm sure they did because i checked web ranks of sites that have a google pr of 5 or 6 and they had a 0 web rank with yahoo and that was odd

I agree, they probably stopped to keep from looking stupid for lack of a better term.

If the Big G has the "sense" to give a site high PR, and they're so revered in this arena (sans the Big Days of Grey 2005 :)) that anyone else trying to replicate and showing completely different results would look ... yeah, I'll say it again - stupid.

However, that doesn't mean they won't try a different approach later to try and get in the mix. cbp brings up an interest correlation to the Alexa rankning and I could see others trying to find their own niche without looking like they're necessarily trying to copy Google.

BTW, I give Alexa very little credibility in their website rankings. By their own admissions, it's solely influenced by their own users (toolbar) and nothing else. Also, their stats flucuate drastically for most sites under a year old, and their data does not seem to get updated very often. Thought?

beanstalk · #16 (**permalink**) 06-06-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by brian.mark

As I stated in your thread in the MSN forum, Google is the only one with PR. Yahoo is all about on-page factors (H1, strong text, meta tags, page title, page content, etc.) with little emphasis on the off-page stuff (anchor text, PR, etc.)

Brian.

I beg to disagree. If you look back you'll see that Yahoo! has been playing with their version called "WebRank". It was only viewable through a beta release of their toolbar last year but can still be found in note at http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/...r/details.html.

It may not be visible but they're probably still using some form of it.

**brian.mark** · #17 (**permalink**) 06-06-2005, 03:59 PM

Yahoo! WebRank was a popularity meter based on traffic. Very much not the same thing. It could be compared to Alexa, not Google PR.

Brian.

mystic · #18 (**permalink**) 06-07-2005, 07:08 AM

can someone give me a link to a page from yahoo that explains how they rate sites? and how to check it?

wrmineo · #19 (**permalink**) 06-08-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mystic

can someone give me a link to a page from yahoo that explains how they rate sites? and how to check it?

I began a topic over at Search Engine Discussion forum entitled What Search Engines Want that has links to Yahoo! Webmaster Guidelines and Ranking.

Hope it's helpful.

Good Luck and Happy Ranking

w®m