Yahoo ranking secrets

kjohnson5576 · #1 (**permalink**) 06-08-2004, 08:54 PM

So who's going to give us some tips on Yahoo Ranking? What do they want? My site is listed in the top 10-20 for virutually all my keywords in Google, but since the Yahoo/Google Split...I can't find myself in Yahoo.

I do have a second site that I don't take care of, don't update and really only use it to point people to my main site (it sells different items) and it ranks in the top 3 in a lot of keyword catagories on Yahoo. I think I've updated it only twice in the last year, haven't put a new link or cleared any non-performing links since last August. It's doing good!
But may main site with all the visitors, traffic, links and regular updates is just not there. The Yahoo bot visits regularly, but must think my Google Optimized site is really not worthy of a top 20 ranking.

So what's the story with Yahoo? Any tips?

How 'bout MSN too?

sdz2004 · #2 (**permalink**) 06-08-2004, 11:53 PM

I have the exact same question. I am number one for at least a dozen competitive phrases for one of my sites, but not even in the top 30 at Yahoo. Anyone else seeing this, or have a clue what this could be?

nikao · #3 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 05:09 AM

im seeing (very) different results in different search engines too.. of course there are differentes..cause they use different alogorithms. But the secret to good rankings in other se? .. i wouldnt know! ..

You said your main site ranks good in google.. does your other site rank good as well?.. cause if it does..you have your secret to good ranking in google and yahoo at the same time under your nose!.. if it doesn't.. maybe that's the problem.... ranking good in google is bad in yahoo?

sfowler · #4 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 10:30 AM

I was also wondering if there is now bad blood between Yahoo and Google. I have had a Geocities site for a couple of months and a Yahoo business site for about 4 weeks now and the Googlebot has never been near them. I do wash sometimes, so that can't be the problem.

kjohnson5576 · #5 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 10:53 AM

My secondary site that I don't take care of is pretty much not ranked by Google and it only ranks well in one Yahoo keyword catagory that I know found.

There has to be some sort of a trick to Yahoo...perhaps it's Overture Advertising?

bhartzer · #6 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 11:09 AM

Yahoo! really really really loves keyword text links. I don't want to get too specific, but Yahoo! really really really loves keyword text links.

achronister · #7 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 11:14 AM

We recently signed up for XML SiteMatch (after we were banned from Yahoo for some reason, still unknown). We are ranking well on both Google and Yahoo at this time (although on Yahoo we are not as high, but still rank fairly well)

I have another site in Yahoo that ranks very well on Google but nowhere on Yahoo. I don't really do anything differently with these sites, the only difference being our SiteMatch site has around 10,000 URL's and the other poor ranking site only has about 75.

Just a thought, but Possibly the larger the site the better the rankings. Possilby due to internal link popularity or something.

Just throwing out and idea. I haven't heard any definitive answers to this one.

george_uk · #8 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 03:00 PM

we have the exact same problem with yahoo. On google we are on page1, position 3 for our main keyword which has about 4 million results. Yet on yahoo we won't budge from page 2, position 39. We noticed that yahoo wasn't regisitering all our links and worked really hard to get some more links. We now have over 2000 links showing on yahoo, about 2000 more than the competition (including the number 1 site which has a measly 40 links). And even with the new links which have been up for almost 2 months now, we are not seeing changes in the SERPS. Its for this reason that I'm yet to be conceived that yahoo loves text links.

If anyone else has an any comments/experience to share I think we'd all be grateful!

ferret77 · #9 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 03:09 PM

I'll get specific bhartzer

just put key words in your internal text links

an extreme form of it would be this

http://www.straycatscharters.com/fly...ing_Guide.html

(by the way this can rank for terms in yahoo)

do the same thing but not as extreme

cbp · #10 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 06:58 PM

When I compare a couple of my sites that rank well in Google, but better in Yahoo - one obvious difference is the anchor text in internal links seems to be more heavily weighted by Yahoo - so would agree with the above.

Google are also much more sophitisicated in there analysis of incoming links - weighting them very differently. And Google also looks for more "quality signals". Yahoo seems to be more into 'ranking penalties'.

The tittle of this thread is about the secrets of a Yahoo ranking - my response is that there is no "secrets" as such. There is the basic SEO and different search engines weight different aspects of site differently. Its not a matter of doing one thing for Google and another thing for Yahoo - I just do the one thing for the site.

CBP

BetterRanking · #11 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 11:45 PM

I got top 4 on yahoo, can't seem to get listed on google. I know yahoo only pulling my Title tag and description tag to be rated # 4, I used to have a different online business and was able to get top 3 by leaving advert on message boards having trouble this time.

trsiyengar · #12 (**permalink**) 06-10-2004, 11:09 AM

My page rank is No.1 with Yahoo, MSN, Rediff etc. but am placed at No.4 with Google. This is for a specific search term 'Srivaishnavam'. Wherein, I am within top ten with Google searches for many search terms and phrases, but I am not listed even in the first 100 with Yahoo!

One thing I found fitting is, Google's bot enters more frequently than any other SE bots. Also, it is quick in getting a listing with Google, comparing with other SE.

Often I update, modify and rewrite the articles. But I never changed the meta tag in all these five years of existance. Maybe, this is one reason among others that puts my page within top ten listing.

My conclusion is, that after splitting from Google, Yahoo did draft its own SEO rules and framed the way it wanted to look different! It is quite natural, every competitor needs to create an icon impression, that they are different from others! This is a very simple logic I believe, that Yahoo!s lisltings are quite different from Google - the variation of their individual measuring way is quite different. There is no secret in to it, I believe.

One more thing - the data base is vastly higher for Google, hence the dancing too often take its own rythm. Can other SE near to Google in terms of listings? atleast in the coming few years? No, certainly not.

crashingflwrgrl · #13 (**permalink**) 06-10-2004, 06:48 PM

Did anybody mention keyword density? My site is doing quite well in Yahoo and I figure it has something to do with it. Although I'm doing okay in Google as well...go figure.

achronister · #14 (**permalink**) 06-10-2004, 06:58 PM

I've heard from a few sources that Yahoo likes more text on the page and higher keyword density that Google. From what I've seen, it looks like that is the case.

oneeye · #15 (**permalink**) 06-11-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BetterRanking

I got top 4 on yahoo, can't seem to get listed on google.

Same here I have quite a few top 10 keywords on Yahoo! But nowhere to be found on Google. The only thing I can figure is that google puts allot more emphasis on inbound links which I need to work on.

Oneeye

HellaCooL · #16 (**permalink**) 06-12-2004, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by achronister

I've heard from a few sources that Yahoo likes more text on the page and higher keyword density that Google. From what I've seen, it looks like that is the case.

Yeah, that’s true. Yahoo likes higher keyword density, and I think that on page optimization has much more weight than in Google, and incoming links much less.
How I know this is because Yahoo is constantly changing my website cache. This is getting really annoying.
My website was on the first page in Yahoo with the cache from May 12, (I know this because I put date on my website), but when Yahoo reverted to my copy from April 11, which has much less keyword density, my website dropped to 180 place over night.
And Yahoo is still keeping that old cache for some reason, which is really pissing me off at this point.
I see no reasoning behind going to a one month older cache for the website that is being updated many times a week. Well, now its two months old cache...

fathom · #17 (**permalink**) 06-14-2004, 01:27 PM

Paying the $299 if you are not listed in the directory is the single best thing you can do to rank in Yahoo results... and then "text links"! :-)

jackson992 · #18 (**permalink**) 06-14-2004, 04:08 PM

The tittle of this thread is about the secrets of a Yahoo ranking - my response is that there is no "secrets" as such. There is the basic SEO and different search engines weight different aspects of site differently. Its not a matter of doing one thing for Google and another thing for Yahoo - I just do the one thing for the site.

CBP[/quote]

CBP:

If that is true how do you explain how we can rank well for Yahoo but not on Google. Seems to me you can't rank well on both with just SEO

ferret77 · #19 (**permalink**) 06-14-2004, 04:49 PM

I do

I have several site that are number 1 in both engines

debtfree95 · #20 (**permalink**) 06-16-2004, 01:00 AM

http://www.langreiter.com/exec/yahoo-vs-google.html this might help but donot know how accurate it is.

VegasMack · #21 (**permalink**) 06-16-2004, 05:00 AM

Very nice tool debtfree95

Thanks

Mel · #22 (**permalink**) 06-16-2004, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BetterRanking

I got top 4 on yahoo, can't seem to get listed on google. I know yahoo only pulling my Title tag and description tag to be rated # 4, I used to have a different online business and was able to get top 3 by leaving advert on message boards having trouble this time.

It appears that as of the last update, Google is severely deprecating the value of forum sigs, which IMO is why its not working now.

scallihan · #23 (**permalink**) 06-18-2004, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kjohnson5576

So who's going to give us some tips on Yahoo Ranking? What do they want? My site is listed in the top 10-20 for virutually all my keywords in Google, but since the Yahoo/Google Split...I can't find myself in Yahoo....

How 'bout MSN too?

Both my Yahoo and MSN traffic have picked up considerably this month, after being very small the last several months. It looks to me like there's just a lag in getting pages indexed and listed. Still not getting anywhere near the traffic I'm getting from Google (and still only about half what I was getting from Yahoo before the Google split).

**Ne0** · #24 (**permalink**) 06-19-2004, 07:21 PM

I used to love yahoo...

I was a 10 ten site with them for 8+ keywords for well over 8 months... Now I've dropped on almost all of my search terms... And I also have a new site that I'm now trying diffrent SEO tactics with...

Like where Ferret77 was talking about using keywords in the pages...
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