YAHOO at Mach5 - Never seen anything like it!

greeneagle · #1 (**permalink**) 05-27-2004, 02:59 PM

Recently we built a new client site. All we did was link and blurb on our portfolio page. Inktomi flew over and slurped it up at Mach5 at least - Before we could manage the final touches. GOOGLE is still dragging behind.

I am standing here in the vapour trail wondering just what happened in awe. What is going on at YAHOO? Has any one else experienced this new speed?

This has never happened before - I am talking some new alien spacecraft or something, never seen anything like it. Immediate spyder and index - Ohhh! - fast!

We should probably expect indexing speed to be a primary competitive issue as they rev up, but I am talking lightening here!

Ken

bhartzer · #2 (**permalink**) 06-18-2004, 04:49 PM

I'm curious--did the spider come and spider the page and now the page is in the index? Or did it just come spider the page?

I'm seeing the same fast spidering as you, but it usually takes a long time before the page or site ever appears in the index.

janeth · #3 (**permalink**) 06-18-2004, 05:57 PM

Hi Ken, ignore the text because the site is only hours old and if you think about some old post here on the forum I think you will understand the reason for the site, but we just put www.geeks-webhosting.com online and Google hit it first thing.

I have not seen Yahoo yet but again the site is not even a day old.

Dave Hawley · #4 (**permalink**) 06-18-2004, 10:13 PM

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Recently we built a new client site. All we did was link and blurb on our portfolio page. Inktomi flew over and slurped it up at Mach5 at least - Before we could manage the final touches. GOOGLE is still dragging behind.

I am standing here in the vapour trail wondering just what happened in awe. What is going on at YAHOO? Has any one else experienced this new speed?

Could be that if you put up the site a day later the crawl order would different again.

paulhiles · #5 (**permalink**) 06-20-2004, 10:47 AM

Just echoing Bill's comments.. I've seen a fair bit of Slurp spidering my sites, certainly an increase on say, 6 months ago.. but the results are unfortunately not reflected in Yahoo's index. I see results there from weeks, if not months ago.. whereas Google returns the same pages updated to within 24-36 hours.

matauri · #6 (**permalink**) 06-21-2004, 05:19 AM

I see a definate difference lately. I think Yahoo has gained a few more horses. I've noticed it with index positioning and backlinks after a very short period.

Gary Golden · #7 (**permalink**) 06-21-2004, 04:05 PM

YAHOO is always a day late and a dollar short with me, I usually change my site a couple of time and see the outdated info on YAHOO. Sure hope things get better though!

greeneagle · #8 (**permalink**) 06-21-2004, 06:11 PM

I am seeing the spydering almost immediately and indexing 3 weeks before GOOGLE on new Sites I blurb on my portfolio page. I will initiate a test on a revised, SEO'd and validated site within the next 2 days.

Ken

smakyyy · #9 (**permalink**) 06-26-2004, 10:22 PM

somehow yahoo is going faster that i have noticed- also it gives better ranking then google - :-)

cbp · #10 (**permalink**) 06-26-2004, 10:27 PM

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also it gives better ranking then google - :-)

Better for who? Your site?

If you mean better results than Google - the general www searching public do not agree as Yahoo is loosing marketshare to Google

CBP

smakyyy · #11 (**permalink**) 07-01-2004, 05:53 AM

i am # 376 on google for the term - diamond ring - but i am #2 on google withe the same word. interesting though that after yahoo went away from google my site has been on yahoo as #2 for that search term.
But yes- i want to be on the first page with google - but I like being on yahoo also - btw. i am #8 on MSN and #3 on altavista for the same keywords.

jestep · #12 (**permalink**) 07-01-2004, 10:23 AM

Yahoo seems to be indexing a site almost as quick as google, but they never update their cache. It is constantly about 3 - 4 weeks behind. Yahoo still has a lot of improvements before it is anywhere close to google in my book.

greeneagle · #13 (**permalink**) 07-01-2004, 08:57 PM

Is there an explanation for all these differing results here? Does it fall out geographically?

Ken

Dave Hawley · #14 (**permalink**) 07-01-2004, 09:58 PM

Is it me, or is Yahoo still struggling to index Framed sites?

greeneagle · #15 (**permalink**) 07-01-2004, 11:03 PM

Dave:
"Is it me, or is Yahoo still struggling to index Framed sites?"

I thought everyone was - still!
LOL
Ken

Dave Hawley · #16 (**permalink**) 07-01-2004, 11:53 PM

Good lod googlebot seems to have no problems. I know they suggest no using them, but I have Frames and googlebot goes beserk all over my site. In fact, last month it chewed up a whopping 32GB of bandwidth!

greeneagle · #17 (**permalink**) 07-02-2004, 12:39 AM

It was just trying to find something, anything Dave! What are you doing using frames? Did you at least have your Frames DTD correct?

Ken

Dave Hawley · #18 (**permalink**) 07-02-2004, 01:18 AM

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What are you doing using frames?

It's a long story that boils down to ingorance. I'm slowly in the process of dumping them all-together after 3 years. I guess while Yahoo was using Google they was no real incentive to dump them, now that Yahoo is on it's own (and may join with MSN) it might be time.

Having said this, it would much nicer if Google would show all the other SE how to index Framed sites :)

ronniethedodger · #19 (**permalink**) 07-03-2004, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hawley

It's a long story that boils down to ingorance. I'm slowly in the process of dumping them all-together after 3 years. I guess while Yahoo was using Google they was no real incentive to dump them, now that Yahoo is on it's own (and may join with MSN) it might be time.

For the record, Yahoo is still using Google results. They will fall back on them in the absence of their own. Google is (per their S1 filing) still under contract to fulfill that obligation until the end of July.

I have noticed a number of people mentioning that it takes Yahoo a few weeks, give or take a day, before they see the updated results in the Yahoo index. Do not confuse this with your site actually being spidered by the Slurp crawler ... it is more like a delay in Google releasing that to Yahoo. Google may be under contractual obligation to feed them results, but that does not mean they have to be fresh results.

Dave Hawley · #20 (**permalink**) 07-03-2004, 12:19 AM

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They will fall back on them in the absence of their own

Is that likley to happen? Can you give an example?

ronniethedodger · #21 (**permalink**) 07-03-2004, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hawley

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They will fall back on them in the absence of their own

Is that likley to happen? Can you give an example?

Yes. No. They go and come, sometimes you will see it.

Example is when Google reverted back to some older cached pages of my website. I do not know why or how it happened, but all of the newer pages they indexed and the updates were gone. It seemed to me at the time that I was looking at the same results I was looking at a couple of weeks prior.

I looked over at Yahoo and everything appeared to be okay over there...had the newer pages and updates, no change. A couple of hours later when I had checked in again, lo and behold they were reflecting the older cached pages and none of the newer ones. It was a spitting image of what happened at Google.

You will hear people refer to Yahoo doing this from time to time across a number of forums. They will say they are reflecting Google results.

Dave Hawley · #22 (**permalink**) 07-03-2004, 02:02 AM

Ron, there are 2 things here.

1) If it's likley to happen (as you have said) that would strongly suggest that Yahoo are likley to not be able to supply their own SERP's at times. I cannot for the life of me see why this would ever be the case? I have never seen it and I check at least 10 different terms on yahoo each day.

2) If Yahoo were still using Google at times, they would have to dislay the text "Results supplied from Google" as they did when Yahoo were using Google.

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It was a spitting image of what happened at Google

There is a difference between a "spitting image" and Yahoo still using Googles results. There are quite a few search terms on Yahoo (so I have read and even seen) that would be the "spitting image" of the Google SERPs (at least for page 1). This is just down to these pages fitting the 'bill' for both Google's algo and Yahoo's. I'm sure this happens across many SE at times.

While I don't dispute that Google are "still under contract to fulfill that obligation until the end of July." I cannot see Yahoo ever needing or wanting this to happen now there have their own database, SE and algo.

ronniethedodger · #23 (**permalink**) 07-03-2004, 02:52 AM

Some of the references to this at WMW and a clue from Tim Mayer suggests that Google results will appear when they are working on their own internal programming. It is like one switching out, and the Google results are fed off of. This is the only plausible reasoning I can see behind it.

As far as having to show the "powered by Google", I would not think so. But I am not a coorporate lawyer either.

All I know is people see it from time to time, and a thread gets started so it is an intermittant phenomenom. Here is one such thread, but this one has a twist to it and involves the IE browser only being able to detect it (at this point in time).

I can probably dig up more sightings of this, there may be a couple here at WPW. All I know is I have seen it happen with the back pedaling on my own site and that was evident enough to show they were pulling from Google at that time.