Quite right.

I long ago gave up trying to use it owing to it's not working.

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We tried that already. Firefox and Opera didn't play well with it.

I'm not claiming to be a javascript expert so feel free to help out, but it would only give errors on the page and do nothing. It couldn't find the column we were trying to hide because it would run before the column was rendered on the page.

Another new problem that I noticed earlier, but forgot to mention, is that clicking on the "new-post" link in e-mail notifications no longer takes me straight to the most recent one.

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And, I'm no CSS expert, so that I can merely make suggestions based on my experience with other languages.

How about 1st loading a blank left pane, and then, based on the result of said detect function, either close it or load its content?

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I'm certainly not a java expert either but, it seems to me that removing the column would eliminate the need to hide it. Problem solved.

<sorry Rah, couldn't help myself>

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I'd give you positive rep. for that, except that I haven't given out enough rep. since last I gave to you.

So, you'll need to settle for

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Did anyone mention yet that this forum randomly send the notification emails mashed?

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And, now, for an objective measure of current WPW's current download speed:

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ROFL!

This is just as good.

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Yep. I reported to rah last year; and it's been recently mentioned at New Canonical Tag from the big 3 , and referenced here.

In fact, the one that I just got re. this thread was one such.

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That was pretty funny . As you already know, there's nothing I can do about that. I'm just the admin who takes the heat for changes.

You did report that a while back, and it was (I thought) resolved by our IT department. What email client are you using?

I use Thunderbird and a webmail client, some times the notifications is mashed sometimes it isn't so I doubt it's the clients but rather something in the way the mail is being created/sent.

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No client; is web based.

ASP is USA.net

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I'll talk with our IT department again. Maybe they've done something with the php mailer that's on the server.

And a fine job you do of doing just that, among other things. Cudos!

Shame you don't have your rep turned on. You could do your part in helping WPW be a "greener" forum.

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Naa, I mentioned a few days ago I disabled KIS7 and my Hosts file and the layout was still the same.

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In IE the post count here on this thread still stops at #37, there's not even a second page! So now I can't only use the page in FF.

[Moments later] Now just the second page of this thread looks as it should in IE(6). The first page is missing everything below post #37. Including the "#37" on post 37 is still gone, no Post Reply, Quote, nor Quick Reply areas. But on the second page, it's all there!

In FF, the first page ends at post #50.

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Rah, all of the layout still looks the same to me. The only difference today is that today below "View All Videos" I see "SMX West Legal: ICANN Accepts New Generic Top-Level Domains" and the accompanying text. Everything is still slow, still the massive left margin area, and also what I noted in post #68.

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Like I mentioned a couple of days ago, that huge left area on my PC ends with the "Submit your site" button for the "Jayde Submission". After that it's just blank blue open real estate. I'm going to close all browser windows and disable Spyware Blaster, and SpyBot and see what happens today.


The definition of "malicious" URL's is open for interpretation. SB blocks a bunch of ad type URL's and the newer versions (which is why it's coming off of this PC) gives no blocking confirmation dialog unlike the older versions (pre 1.5 I believe) which did.

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On my PC in IE it ends at post #4 and that's when the blank light blue background starts. On FF it ends at post #3. If anything, the blank blue area should start after where you see it for me because I use 120dpi system-wide fonts. I use "Medium" font option in IE, and 17pt in FF.

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Yeah I also mentioned that, and they're in some kind of odd plain raw text format too, where no URL's are clickable. You have to copy and paste them into the address bar. Yesterday, the email notifications were Ok and normal. It's an intermittent problem for it.

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I forgot to mention that too, I thought it was just me and I was mistaken about it going to the last post. Now the links just go to post #1 on the first page.

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It's happening to me on OE. So that means it's on OE, and Tbird and web based (from 'Deepsand' and 'Speed').....so far.

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I mentioned it previously but I will again. on IE6 the JS error is:

'_gat' is undefined

Which I believe is part of Urchin. That's on both the main page and the reply page. In FF (fully updated 2.x) it still is:

Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'width'. Declaration dropped.
Line 733

Which I mentioned a few days ago seemed like it may be the problem as far as the margin issue goes. In FF on a quote or reply page, it's the same error but it's then mentioned 4 times.

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Ok, I disabled KIS7, SpyBot & TeaTimer, SpyWare Blaster, and my hosts file, now I CAN see some ads at the left margin area. So either SpyBot & TeaTimer or SpyWare Blaster was causing them to be blocked. But, it's only 3 ads: a GA ad at the very top; that "View All Videos" area now has an image there instead of the text I mentioned earlier; and one below the "Jayde Submission" "Submit your site" button. Apparently one or more of the URL's in this new site code is deemed questionable by anti-malware programs, hence the emergence of the ads. I also no longer see the JS error in IE, but the same JS error I mentioned above still exists in FF. In IE, the Preview Post function is now working.

However, this doesn't fix everything with the functionality issues. Even if it did, the site owner cannot expect people to keep their PC's wide open to threats (from not being able to run the aforementioned anti-malware programs or similar). Just having the ads display doesn't change the massive left margin area nor the large blank blue area below it, it does not totally fix the slow load times, and it doesn't fix the other problems I mention in post #68 in IE either.

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On the slow load times, has anyone checked the size of this page? It's a massive 270k as of now (and will grow larger), which of course does not include any graphics, that's just the text code. I don't know how that compares with the previous sizes, I never checked.

If I may make a temporary suggestion that may illuminate some things: if the webmasters here can post all of the new URL's and ActiveX they've added to the basic page layout, we all can check our Hosts file, SpyBot, and SpyWare Blaster, etc., for those URL's, tags and ID's and comment them out if they are listed. That's easy to do with the Hosts file, programs like HostsMan and SpyBot add entries to them and that can be easily commented out with a #. TeaTimer is a whole other story.

And with SpyWare Blaster it's rather difficult. Its interface is not in alphabetical order and you'd have to search through tens of thousands of entires to find the causative block, IF it even exists in SpyWare Blaster. You may have to click "Find next" many hundreds of times to find all the areas for the searched-for term. Additionally, they are not listed by URL but by a blocked name and CLSID class registry tag.

Then there's a portion of the program that uses ActiveX blocking for malicious/questionable/adware sources and there's no way of editing that on-the-fly. You'd have to first find the blocked ActiveX name tag, then search your registry for it, then delete it. This would cause problems updating the program because with every update it would overwrite the change.

Then let's not forgot our own personal browser security settings that could be doing it. I don't run FF as my main browser, but I know in IE there's tons of things that can be modified for security and any number of them could be doing it. It could be any of the ActiveX, scripts, and JS blocking in IE options doing it. Some of the programs such as I've mentioned make changes to these settings.

Also remember that regardless of any program's name, they often draw upon the same type of database origin of data to block. So it could in any number of programs.

In my case, I don't think it was disabling KIS7 nor the Hosts file that caused me to see the ads and get the Preview post function back because I disabled those yesterday with no affect. I did not change any IE settings directly. Differently, today, I only disabled SpyBot & TeaTimer, and SpyWare Blaster. So in my case it's logical to assume it was something one of those 3 were blocking.

Again, I point out that all this fixed was getting the Preview post function back.

It could be a time-consuming way, but it would at least possibly give us an idea as to what the culprit was in these webpages, we may get lucky and easily find it in any of these programs and it may be easy to ignore or comment it out. Then we'd at least possibly get the Preview Post function back.

I have to say, all of these changes should have been done in a sandbox and tested before going live and unleashing it onto members! In fact, IMO, I think they should be undone, then more testing done in sandbox area to be sure they do not affect any usability or functionality.

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Or we could save all that effort and just pack our bags and head off to any other forum which works without issues and doesn't chop off 33% of the screen for junk

I don't have a problem with ads, we all need to make money, but putting them horizontally below the 1st post would be much better as I get the full width and vertical scrolling is something we're all used to.

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Yeah I agree. Or at the top or bottom of the page.

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User control re. blocking dialogues is still present; they just moved it to a different place.

Left click on the systems tray icon, and select Resident IE.

On the drop-down menu, the choices are :
> Block all pages silently
> Display dialogue when blocking
> Ask for blocking confirmation

You can also there toggle Resident in IE sessions On or Off.

Hope this helps.

I've yet to test to see if these settings are effective under FF; I'll let you know my findings.

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Yes, it is part of the GA/Urchin code, which immediately precedes the </body> tag :

<script type="text/javascript"><!--
var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : "http://www.");
document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost + "google-analytics.com/ga.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E"));
//-->
</script>
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
var pageTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-3517493-54");
pageTracker._initData();

pageTracker._trackPageview();
//-->


</script>

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Actually, that's right click. Yeah, I had forgotten about that area, but that's not what I was talking about. On the SB interface under the "Immunize" tab, there used to be a drop-down where you had the options: "Ask for blocking confirmation", "Block all pages silently", and "Display dialog when blocking". That options area was removed from later versions, I think 1.4 or later.

TeaTimer (Resident IE icon in the System Tray), on newer versions sucks up over 50mb+ and slows down some things because they "thought it was a good idea" to turn it into a file scanner. Which is redundant since anyone that uses SB is going to be using AV software as well, which is going to do a better job of scanning than TeaTimer. So that makes no sense. I don't use the TeaTimer from the newer version, I have an older version installed too and I use the TeaTimer from it that only takes up 5-7mb and doesn't scan files. But at any rate, I still do have that area checked you mentioned "Ask for blocking confirmation" when right clicking the tray icon. But it rarely works. Usually there's no PopUp asking for anything, and when there is, the "Deny" or "Allow" buttons are grayed out so you can't make a choice!

I'd only use the older versions, but the newer version has far more def's in it's database so I use it for malware scan checks.

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Yeah, but at the moment only my left eye is reasonably functional!

Correct; those controls are now accessible only via the tray icon beginning with 1.5. Took me a while to realize that.

Concur; the current TeaTimer is a resource hog, particularly at boot time.

It's unfortunate that good single purpose apps like AVG and SS&D get tuined by the inclusion of additional features that are 1) not best of breed, 2) duplicate features in other apps, and 3) end up doing nothing more to uneccesarily consuming resources. AVG did the same thing when they released version 8.

I've yet to see a suite that is the egual to a collection of best of breed single purpose apps.

Do you know if it's possible to downgrade TeaTimer from the version used in 1.6 once installed?

Hm-mm; can't comment here, as I've always used "silent blocking" with no complaints. Perhpas I'll play with the various settings & see what happens.

And therein lies the rub.

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LOL.


Not "downgrade" per say, but the older version can be used, it's what I do. Just disable it in the later version. Install an older version (1.3) being sure to give it a different folder name so it won't overwrite the newer version. Enable TT in it. Go to the Startup tab in MSCONFIG and be sure the TT version checked is the one in the folder with "1.3" on it. Teatimer.exe is usually a hidden file, so if you need to delete the newer version of it, you may have to go into Folder Options and make all files visible as well as system files for it to show up. Look at the Task Manager to be sure the TeaTimer running is using 5-7mb. (Sometimes it may briefly peak to ~15mb but then it drops back to 5-7mb).


That's the way I always had it set on older versions. But the SB people obviously got rather overzealous in their newer version's def's and started blocking numerous legit and needed things....which I found out the hard way. The only way I can get to these places or functions, is to totally "undo" the Immunize area. It seems to be very lax at giving any "confirmations", even if you have it set to "ask", it still makes many things silent, and like I said when it does ask you, the options are grayed out! In the older versions you got this notification quite frequently (if you had it set that way) with the "Allow" "Deny" options working.

Everyone always insists on screwing up a good thing. SB, and this forum's layout/functionality. AdAware is also no exception. It was great for years. Then they decided to totally RUIN it by not only making it require a resource hogging useless "Service" in order to run, but it won't even find Cookies or MRU's anymore! They "claim" it will, but it won't. Luckily I always save years-old versions of all software because ti's just a matter of time before your favorite program is ruined by an update. These people need to learn and live by "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

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I forgot you can have per site custom CSS in Firefox, a combination of that plus some DNS entries and that side bar is gone, ads are history and performance is well the best it's ever been. I've even got the preview post working now by changing the Message Editor Interface selecting, now back to Standard and all working.

So guess thanks for adding that annoying bar it galvanised me into action

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Since 1.6.2 is currently installed, with only v 1.6.4.26 of TeaTimer present, presumably I'd need to :

1) Un-install SS&D;
2) Install v1.3 ( I have installs for 1.3, 1.4, 1.5.2, 1.6.0 & 1.6.2);
3) Save TeaTimer to safe location;
4) Un-install v1.3;
5) Re-install v1.6; and then,
6) Substitute saved v1.3 of TeaTimer for that of v1.6.

As I recall, the TeaTimer scans began with v1.6. If correct, then presumably any prior version would here serve.

I dumped AdAware years ago owing to too many false positives, and its inability to distinguish between tracking cookies and necessary preference cookies. It was regularly trying to wipe out the cookies for my Overture settings, and I was tired of having to remember, and take the time, to manually override it prior to allowing it to do a wipe.

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Can you share the specifics of your "fixes?"

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Sure, first the post preview, just try the 3 editor modes until one works for you I found standard worked. User CP > Edit Options > Miscellaneous Options > Miscellaneous Options.

To speed up the loading, I set the following DNS values to point to our local LAN based development web server:

aj.600z.com
ssl.google-analytics.com
www.google-analytics.com

I didn't do anything on the server with regard to the domains so it just loads the default site on it which should give a heap of 404s.

You should be able to add those entries to your hosts file but I used the local DNS resolver. As a bonus I think things just got a whole heap faster for other sites by loosing google analytics.

To get rid of the ad bar, in the folder C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\randomcharacters.default\chrome create a file called userContent.css with the following in it:

The path to your Firefox profile may be different on your machine the one I gave is for a Vista 64 box.

Restart Firefox and no more left sidebar, oh happiness, you don't realise how oppressive it was there.

For me it's made a huge difference to the speed and usability of the forum and to have preview post working again is great.

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XP Control Panel has no "Edit Options." Thoughts?

Easiest general solution is to use the HOST file to re-direct these URLs to IP Address 127.0.0.1 , that of the localhost. And, has the advantage of resulting in no external traffic.

For XP users, the path will be "C:\Documents and Settings\username\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\randomcharacters.default\chrome .

Within the "chrome" sub-directory, "Edit" the file "userContent-example.css," Copy/Paste the above given code over the contents of the file, and "Save As" userContent.css.

Works like a charm; rep points given.

Thanks.

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I believe he means the User CP here. Yours is set on WYSIWYG. Try changing that to Standard and see if that helps.

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Thanks; that did the trick.

Odd thing is that I'd sometime ago selected "Enhanced," but was still getting either the Basic or Standard editing box, and thus forgot about that setting.

Apparently not only does "Enhanced" not add the intended feature(s), but it breaks one or more basic ones.

BTW, I still need to click "Go Advanced" in order to be presented with the "Preview Post" or "Preview Changes" button. Is this as intended?

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As if the site re-design isn't enough of a PITA, now I find that I'm getting spammed with e-mails such as "Earn Your Bachelor's Degree Online in Internet Marketing," with no clear method to opt-out of such, aside from unsubscribing from WebProNews.

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Good

I'm using IE right now and switched my interface from Standard to WYSIWYG and the preview worked. Although like you, no change in my edititing box.

I'll pass this on to admin so they can look into it.

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I still need to click "Go Advanced" in order to be presented with the "Preview Post" or "Preview Changes" button.

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Is that in the "Quick Reply" box?

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Right below it.

Perhaps the absence of a "Preview" function there is by design.

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Quick reply doesn't have a preview option on vBulletin, just checked on my forum it's the same as here.

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No, you don't need to uninstall anything. Check my post #84 again.

I can't say when the "scans" started, but the resource hog version of TeaTimer started at v1.4, that and after were the ones that took up over 50mb and more CPU time. Before I installed v1.3 I installed 1.4 and I realized that.


Well with the newer versions you'd never have to worry about that because it won't find anything! (Hey, we have a new icon. LOL. I guess that means "envy"? Oh well I just wanted to use it).

IE Privacy Keeper is great, and it works for FF also. It can be set many ways, but I have it set to automatically secure delete at the close of the last browser window, all Cookies (except ones you want to keep), and all Temp Net files. That will keep your cache clean. There's also options to secure delete History, typed URL's, system temp files, recent folder, etc., etc., and more, whenever you want.

(Now this webpage is trash in IE like the first page!! I won't be able to see this post of mine when it's posted. The last numbered post I see on this page is #86, to which I am replying now. I see "someone's" post below it, not numbered, a blank "Quote" area with no text in it, and there's no name on the post so I don't know who posted it, and once again no more Quote, Reply, nor Quick Reply areas!! The post is "Can you share the specifics of your "fixes?" and that's all I see. I see that's your post Deepsand, from your signature file).

What happened to the people that were supposed to be working on these problems? Rhetorical, because now I won't be able to see anymore posts on this thread after the 87th post. So If you reply I'll only see it in the email notification, IF it happens to be the next one in line after I visit here.

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Another server that is at times dramatically increasing load time is specificclick.net

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Why has this thread died out? Are the webmasters assuming everything is fixed? It's not. And they certainly can't be just allowing all this to continue.

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