My rant for the day

janeth · #1 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 08:56 AM

I’ve been a member at WPW since it started. And anyone that knows me knows that I’ve had my problems with WPW and have left and returned more than once. In my recent return I’ve noticed the new rep points and the other changes to the forum but the one thing that has not changed is the people wanting to know why their site has dropped in Google.

And for some reason these post seem to make the email that I get daily. Suddenly disappeared, after 6 years I no longer care. I’d much rather see a post like

For searching "educating" I got a spanking from Google

Or

Are less small businesses using AdWords?

or even

Big Vs. Smaller Content Site - High Rankings Search Engine Optimization Forum

or

Penalties - forgiven but not forgotten?

The sad part is that there are good posts being made but we have to dig for those as the email we get seems to be more concerned with helping John Doe figure out why his site has dropped in ranking. And the question has been asked and answered thousands of times throughout the forum. But John would rather not waste his time when he can waste the time of others.

Maybe I’ve outgrown WPW and will need to find the topics I want to talk about somewhere else. I hope not but only time will tell. I will have no choice but to unsubscribe from the email if the only concern is that John has lost his ranking.

Just wanted to rant a little.

**incrediblehelp** · #2 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 03:21 AM

Not a bad rant. The Admins have long since forgotten WPW forum it seems. I rarely see any of them post here, unlike other SEO forums where you see admins posting all of the time. To your point the newsletter posts are picked by Tiffany right now and I don’t think she has a lot of experience in the SEO side of things. I have seen some spammy post make the newsletter in the last 12 months.

In fact drive by spam post are almost uncontrollable. I try and keep up, don’t see much help in deciphering them. I still can’t even ban a spammer, LOL.

To be honest the way of the SEO forum is going bye-bye. Most of the good info is delivered through RSS from individual blogs.

The WPW guys seem to have been focusing on the video aspect of the business and it shows. Their video blog is the best in the business and for anyone that has not checked it out they should.

WebProNews Videos: Videos from WebProNews.com

I like helping out so I will keep coming back and check every post made. Ok that is my rant for today too.

**ctabuk** · #3 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 05:14 AM

The spam feast is a pain - only two mods have the ban button - maybe incred and I are viewed as 'to quick to ban' I come here everyday as it's quiet in the UK in business terms. I don't think SEO forums are dead per say - but there is more focusing on marketing questions. But, without WPW I would never have learnt so many 'tricks of the trade' so my loyalty remains. But Mike - if you are reading this - ban controls for incred and I please. We need them.

kgun · #4 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 08:31 AM

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

The same with WPW it is the worst forum exept from all the others on eBusiness (eBusiness is also about programming).

The world is never ideal. Easy to blame Tiffany.

But how many of WPW's moderators have programmed (tagging / styling is not programming) a single line of code, and I doubt that the original poster has programmed so many either. How many of the moderators have the mathematical background to moderate PageRank (all SEO) related threads?

Who has rated this

NEW Game

thread by three stars? It is a very efficient tool to drown other threads. That is my opinion.

janeth · #5 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

The Admins have long since forgotten WPW forum it seems. I rarely see any of them post here, unlike other SEO forums where you see admins posting all of the time.

A lot of people make good money with forums. Too bad they didn't try and put a little more effort into it. They could have been one of the biggest and at one time was.

**crankydave** · #6 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 11:18 AM

I will agree that I'd like to see more diversity in the email subjects but for me, it's not the email that "gets me here".

I suppose much has to do with what one wants and expects to get/gain from a forum. I'm not aware of any "public" forum that expects/demands very exacting criteria to join/participate. That in my mind is a good thing. You never know where the next "best answer/idea" is going to come from.

A forum that limits it's membership/participation based upon very specific criteria also limits its' diversity of perspective and objectivity IMO.

I doubt that anyone will disagree that spam sucks. I'd certainly prefer spending far less time scanning over hundreds of posts everytime I visit and far more time reading and participating. It is however, a neccessary "evil" that I've freely chosen to accept and that I see myself having a responsibility to do as such. I try and do my best as I'm sure the others do as well.

On the perspective of moderators... again, diversity is a good thing IMO. Different backgrounds, different perspectives, different experiences, etc. are a good thing. Like minds all tend to see things much in the same way. Looking through the same set of eyes if you will. This would tend to dictate direction rather than allow for the open and free exchange. Often, the mods discuss something the see or "feel" among each other (and with the admins) to get a variety of perspectives. Again, a good thing IMO.

If a person is more comfortable participating in a community that only provides the perspectives of "doctors" for example, then they should seek one out that only allows doctors to participate or start a community for that purpose.

Dave

kgun · #7 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 12:05 PM

Worse IMO. A lot of the same people dominate Norwegian boards. There has been some bad lessons, and more will of course come (especially if there is a secular bear market. Very (extremely) few understand the mass psychology and social mood in such markets. In a bull market everybody is a genious).

The same with forums. I would not moderate another forum as long as I have my own.

Related thread: Be Ready for $400-a-barrel Oil... And Worse!

**rah** · #8 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

The Admins have long since forgotten WPW forum it seems.

That's not true. We are still around, but I will give you that we don't post that often. In my particular case it's been that way since we first created WPW. Take a look at my post count if you don't believe me.

We are here when called upon, and most of you know how to contact us directly either by email or IM.

As for the content of the newsletter, that would be mostly my fault. Tiffany doesn't pick the posts for the newsletter, I do. She just uses what I give her. Since she's the face of the newsletter I can see why she's taking the heat, but it's really all my doing.

In an attempt to please everyone I'll try to diversify what I pick for the newsletter, but I'm going to need everyone's help. I can only chose from what actually gets posted. If you want to see more subjects featured in the newsletter start up some conversations and give me something more to chose from.

Incrediblehelp and ctabuk, I'll talk with Mike about the ban permissions for moderators.

janeth · #9 (**permalink**) 07-25-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rah

That's not true. We are still around, but I will give you that we don't post that often. In my particular case it's been that way since we first created WPW. Take a look at my post count if you don't believe me.

We are here when called upon, and most of you know how to contact us directly either by email or IM.

As for the content of the newsletter, that would be mostly my fault. Tiffany doesn't pick the posts for the newsletter, I do. She just uses what I give her. Since she's the face of the newsletter I can see why she's taking the heat, but it's really all my doing.

In an attempt to please everyone I'll try to diversify what I pick for the newsletter, but I'm going to need everyone's help. I can only chose from what actually gets posted. If you want to see more subjects featured in the newsletter start up some conversations and give me something more to chose from.

Incrediblehelp and ctabuk, I'll talk with Mike about the ban permissions for moderators.

Thanks, guess that answers all my questions.

Tubby · #10 (**permalink**) 07-25-2008, 09:48 PM

I have long got past the Google ranking questions, not that I ever really understood them. I browse for questions That my own website experience might offer me the opportunity to contribute. Generally I sit here not quite understanding what the rest of you are doing. Not understanding why people want more traffic when they sell nothing with a thousand page views a day, then pose the question "how do I get better ranking?" Not understanding why web site owners wish to burn up bandwidth getting pointless visitors, when 6 sales a day with allow them to live in comfort. Not understanding why so many have a corporate image, when in reality people regularly demonstrate they prefer to buy from a real person. Janith prints on her about page "For Credibility Reasons, I'll Tell You a Little About Myself."

How many question do we see about site credibility?. . No worry, another thousand page views will cover that problem. Yes. . . I expect Janith will sell them some more page views. I expect mostly they will be content with the added traffic. . . . When in reality they wanted a bigger income. (Janith has a good grasp on what people will pay for)

I would prefer to see less Google questions

janeth · #11 (**permalink**) 07-27-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubby

Not understanding why people want more traffic when they sell nothing with a thousand page views a day, then pose the question "how do I get better ranking?"

And it is something I've also wondered about many times. I’ve seen people refuse to change anything on their website while asking for help.

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Originally Posted by Tubby

Not understanding why web site owners wish to burn up bandwidth getting pointless visitors, when 6 sales a day with allow them to live in comfort.

I picked coffee to support my family when I was six years old. My farther felt that we had plenty of money as long as we only ate beans and had no TV or any other type of entertainment.

I guess a level of comfort would be in the eyes of the person receiving the comfort.

My comfort level is extremely high. (:

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Originally Posted by Tubby

Yes. . . I expect Janith will sell them some more page views. I expect mostly they will be content with the added traffic. . . . When in reality they wanted a bigger income. (Janith has a good grasp on what people will pay for)

Trying to understand what people will pay for is a difficult thing to do. I own around 1,000 sites but live off about 5 of those.

I ‘m always in search of something else that will make money but my numbers are not very impressive. In this coming year we will be focusing a lot on building local businesses here in town to go along with our online businesses.

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Originally Posted by Tubby

I would prefer to see less Google questions

I'm about Googled out myself.

Tubby · #12 (**permalink**) 07-27-2008, 07:27 PM

janeth said.
"My comfort level is extremely high. (:"

ROFLMHO. . . That's good Janeth. I myself have more of a 'do what I want to do' comfort level, Its more of a 'freedom' thing than a physical comfort level. .

I always considered local business to be the first starting point, I think local should always be the starting point. If you can hone your skills (whatever they may be) in your local community. . . That is when its time to step outside and tackle the bigger world. Taking on the big bad world is going to be a bit tricky if you cannot win you family friends, acquaintances, or next door neighbours.

People are great creatures, We like to spend money, we love buying things, we love to enjoy the comforts, We love to support those we like. . Selling really should be the easiest thing in the world. (with a little thought)

It would be nice If we could devise a way to make an Internet site more "tactile" selling would be far more fun if you could let the visitors feel the product. " How to make the buyer feel the product in their mind" might be a nice topic.

Or even a topic. 'How to bypass google' If someone finds a site via google, the site credibility needs to be far far higher than if a visitor already knows where you are. . .

P.S. Re "as long as we only ate beans and had no TV or any other type of entertainment."
Janeth that is a survival level. I am so pleased you struggled out of it. . . (so we got to meet you)

janeth · #13 (**permalink**) 07-27-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tubby

janeth said.
"My comfort level is extremely high. (:"

ROFLMHO. . . That's good Janeth. I myself have more of a 'do what I want to do' comfort level, Its more of a 'freedom' thing than a physical comfort level. .

And I hope to get there soon.

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Originally Posted by Tubby

I always considered local business to be the first starting point, I think local should always be the starting point. If you can hone your skills (whatever they may be) in your local community. . . That is when its time to step outside and tackle the bigger world. Taking on the big bad world is going to be a bit tricky if you cannot win you family friends, acquaintances, or next door neighbours.

I started with a credit card with a $50.00 limit and family and friends with no money. If you could see the pictures of the house I lived in when I was growing up it would make the worst looking place in the US look like a mansion.

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Originally Posted by Tubby

People are great creatures, We like to spend money, we love buying things, we love to enjoy the comforts, We love to support those we like. . Selling really should be the easiest thing in the world. (with a little thought)

I agree, I am about to open up the first ever cookie company here. Hoping it's as big of a hit here as it is in the US.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubby

It would be nice If we could devise a way to make an Internet site more "tactile" selling would be far more fun if you could let the visitors feel the product. " How to make the buyer feel the product in their mind" might be a nice topic.

Yes it would be. Something to think about for sure.

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Originally Posted by Tubby

Or even a topic. 'How to bypass google' If someone finds a site via google, the site credibility needs to be far far higher than if a visitor already knows where you are. . .

Yes and I'm hoping something comes up soon.

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Originally Posted by Tubby

P.S. Re "as long as we only ate beans and had no TV or any other type of entertainment."
Janeth that is a survival level. I am so pleased you struggled out of it. . . (so we got to meet you)

I am as well. On the good side it is the level that the whole town lives at, so I never knew I was poor.

Tubby · #14 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 08:27 AM

not knowing that you are poor would seem to me to be no great sin. I am not sure that not knowing you are rich is quite as innocent.

janeth · #15 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubby

not knowing that you are poor would seem to me to be no great sin. I am not sure that not knowing you are rich is quite as innocent.

I am not sure at what point one becomes rich.

Having a nice house is good but is wanting to work harder to pay off the house wrong, or wanting a swimming pool for the house, a play ground for the kids, soccer filed for your friends or too have enough money to build a private school for your kids?

At what point can you say you have too much money?

I want a private jet airplane to fly around in, is that wrong?

amxfan · #16 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 10:45 AM

one is rich if one is happy
one is only poor if they choose to be.

Thats my take on it for whats it's worth.

**crankydave** · #17 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by janeth