I’ve been a member at WPW since it started. And anyone that knows me knows that I’ve had my problems with WPW and have left and returned more than once. In my recent return I’ve noticed the new rep points and the other changes to the forum but the one thing that has not changed is the people wanting to know why their site has dropped in Google.

And for some reason these post seem to make the email that I get daily. Suddenly disappeared, after 6 years I no longer care. I’d much rather see a post like

For searching "educating" I got a spanking from Google

Or

Are less small businesses using AdWords?

or even

Big Vs. Smaller Content Site - High Rankings Search Engine Optimization Forum

or

Penalties - forgiven but not forgotten?

The sad part is that there are good posts being made but we have to dig for those as the email we get seems to be more concerned with helping John Doe figure out why his site has dropped in ranking. And the question has been asked and answered thousands of times throughout the forum. But John would rather not waste his time when he can waste the time of others.

Maybe I’ve outgrown WPW and will need to find the topics I want to talk about somewhere else. I hope not but only time will tell. I will have no choice but to unsubscribe from the email if the only concern is that John has lost his ranking.

Just wanted to rant a little.

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Not a bad rant. The Admins have long since forgotten WPW forum it seems. I rarely see any of them post here, unlike other SEO forums where you see admins posting all of the time. To your point the newsletter posts are picked by Tiffany right now and I don’t think she has a lot of experience in the SEO side of things. I have seen some spammy post make the newsletter in the last 12 months.

In fact drive by spam post are almost uncontrollable. I try and keep up, don’t see much help in deciphering them. I still can’t even ban a spammer, LOL.

To be honest the way of the SEO forum is going bye-bye. Most of the good info is delivered through RSS from individual blogs.

The WPW guys seem to have been focusing on the video aspect of the business and it shows. Their video blog is the best in the business and for anyone that has not checked it out they should.

WebProNews Videos: Videos from WebProNews.com

I like helping out so I will keep coming back and check every post made. Ok that is my rant for today too.

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The spam feast is a pain - only two mods have the ban button - maybe incred and I are viewed as 'to quick to ban' I come here everyday as it's quiet in the UK in business terms. I don't think SEO forums are dead per say - but there is more focusing on marketing questions. But, without WPW I would never have learnt so many 'tricks of the trade' so my loyalty remains. But Mike - if you are reading this - ban controls for incred and I please. We need them.

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Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

The same with WPW it is the worst forum exept from all the others on eBusiness (eBusiness is also about programming).

The world is never ideal. Easy to blame Tiffany.

But how many of WPW's moderators have programmed (tagging / styling is not programming) a single line of code, and I doubt that the original poster has programmed so many either. How many of the moderators have the mathematical background to moderate PageRank (all SEO) related threads?

Who has rated this

http://www.webproworld.com/breakroom...tml#post325558

thread by three stars? It is a very efficient tool to drown other threads. That is my opinion.

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A lot of people make good money with forums. Too bad they didn't try and put a little more effort into it. They could have been one of the biggest and at one time was.

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I will agree that I'd like to see more diversity in the email subjects but for me, it's not the email that "gets me here".

I suppose much has to do with what one wants and expects to get/gain from a forum. I'm not aware of any "public" forum that expects/demands very exacting criteria to join/participate. That in my mind is a good thing. You never know where the next "best answer/idea" is going to come from.

A forum that limits it's membership/participation based upon very specific criteria also limits its' diversity of perspective and objectivity IMO.

I doubt that anyone will disagree that spam sucks. I'd certainly prefer spending far less time scanning over hundreds of posts everytime I visit and far more time reading and participating. It is however, a neccessary "evil" that I've freely chosen to accept and that I see myself having a responsibility to do as such. I try and do my best as I'm sure the others do as well.

On the perspective of moderators... again, diversity is a good thing IMO. Different backgrounds, different perspectives, different experiences, etc. are a good thing. Like minds all tend to see things much in the same way. Looking through the same set of eyes if you will. This would tend to dictate direction rather than allow for the open and free exchange. Often, the mods discuss something the see or "feel" among each other (and with the admins) to get a variety of perspectives. Again, a good thing IMO.

If a person is more comfortable participating in a community that only provides the perspectives of "doctors" for example, then they should seek one out that only allows doctors to participate or start a community for that purpose.

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Worse IMO. A lot of the same people dominate Norwegian boards. There has been some bad lessons, and more will of course come (especially if there is a secular bear market. Very (extremely) few understand the mass psychology and social mood in such markets. In a bull market everybody is a genious).

The same with forums. I would not moderate another forum as long as I have my own.

Related thread: http://www.webproworld.com/breakroom...tml#post386367

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That's not true. We are still around, but I will give you that we don't post that often. In my particular case it's been that way since we first created WPW. Take a look at my post count if you don't believe me. We are here when called upon, and most of you know how to contact us directly either by email or IM.

As for the content of the newsletter, that would be mostly my fault. Tiffany doesn't pick the posts for the newsletter, I do. She just uses what I give her. Since she's the face of the newsletter I can see why she's taking the heat, but it's really all my doing.

In an attempt to please everyone I'll try to diversify what I pick for the newsletter, but I'm going to need everyone's help. I can only chose from what actually gets posted. If you want to see more subjects featured in the newsletter start up some conversations and give me something more to chose from.

Incrediblehelp and ctabuk, I'll talk with Mike about the ban permissions for moderators.

Thanks, guess that answers all my questions.

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I have long got past the Google ranking questions, not that I ever really understood them. I browse for questions That my own website experience might offer me the opportunity to contribute. Generally I sit here not quite understanding what the rest of you are doing. Not understanding why people want more traffic when they sell nothing with a thousand page views a day, then pose the question "how do I get better ranking?" Not understanding why web site owners wish to burn up bandwidth getting pointless visitors, when 6 sales a day with allow them to live in comfort. Not understanding why so many have a corporate image, when in reality people regularly demonstrate they prefer to buy from a real person. Janith prints on her about page "For Credibility Reasons, I'll Tell You a Little About Myself."

How many question do we see about site credibility?. . No worry, another thousand page views will cover that problem. Yes. . . I expect Janith will sell them some more page views. I expect mostly they will be content with the added traffic. . . . When in reality they wanted a bigger income. (Janith has a good grasp on what people will pay for)

I would prefer to see less Google questions

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And it is something I've also wondered about many times. I’ve seen people refuse to change anything on their website while asking for help.

I picked coffee to support my family when I was six years old. My farther felt that we had plenty of money as long as we only ate beans and had no TV or any other type of entertainment.

I guess a level of comfort would be in the eyes of the person receiving the comfort.

My comfort level is extremely high. (:


Trying to understand what people will pay for is a difficult thing to do. I own around 1,000 sites but live off about 5 of those.

I ‘m always in search of something else that will make money but my numbers are not very impressive. In this coming year we will be focusing a lot on building local businesses here in town to go along with our online businesses.

I'm about Googled out myself.

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janeth said.
"My comfort level is extremely high. (:"

ROFLMHO. . . That's good Janeth. I myself have more of a 'do what I want to do' comfort level, Its more of a 'freedom' thing than a physical comfort level. .

I always considered local business to be the first starting point, I think local should always be the starting point. If you can hone your skills (whatever they may be) in your local community. . . That is when its time to step outside and tackle the bigger world. Taking on the big bad world is going to be a bit tricky if you cannot win you family friends, acquaintances, or next door neighbours.

People are great creatures, We like to spend money, we love buying things, we love to enjoy the comforts, We love to support those we like. . Selling really should be the easiest thing in the world. (with a little thought)

It would be nice If we could devise a way to make an Internet site more "tactile" selling would be far more fun if you could let the visitors feel the product. " How to make the buyer feel the product in their mind" might be a nice topic.

Or even a topic. 'How to bypass google' If someone finds a site via google, the site credibility needs to be far far higher than if a visitor already knows where you are. . .

P.S. Re "as long as we only ate beans and had no TV or any other type of entertainment."
Janeth that is a survival level. I am so pleased you struggled out of it. . . (so we got to meet you)

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And I hope to get there soon.

I started with a credit card with a $50.00 limit and family and friends with no money. If you could see the pictures of the house I lived in when I was growing up it would make the worst looking place in the US look like a mansion.

I agree, I am about to open up the first ever cookie company here. Hoping it's as big of a hit here as it is in the US.

Yes it would be. Something to think about for sure.

Yes and I'm hoping something comes up soon.


I am as well. On the good side it is the level that the whole town lives at, so I never knew I was poor.

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not knowing that you are poor would seem to me to be no great sin. I am not sure that not knowing you are rich is quite as innocent.

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I am not sure at what point one becomes rich.

Having a nice house is good but is wanting to work harder to pay off the house wrong, or wanting a swimming pool for the house, a play ground for the kids, soccer filed for your friends or too have enough money to build a private school for your kids?

At what point can you say you have too much money?

I want a private jet airplane to fly around in, is that wrong?

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one is rich if one is happy
one is only poor if they choose to be.

Thats my take on it for whats it's worth.

Only if I don't get free tickets and cocktails.

Dave

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lol

You'll be the first person picked up once I get the jet.

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I'm sure that one day you'll have it. You have the desire, and the drive to succeed. Just look how far you've come.

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hehehehehe... I look forward to it Janeth.

Dave

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outside my place there is a nice runway, if ever you land your jet on it, call in and have a beer (no cocktails here), I can assure you that the locals here will never go to Google to look you up. . . They will remember you!

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I've got a long ways before I get my jet but once I do I'll come visit and will even bring the beer. I'll even bring Dave.

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I've come a long ways but there are times that I feel like I'm going backwards. And that wouldn’t be so depressing if it was not for the fact that I feel like I’m going backwards more than I’m going forwards.

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I just wanted to thank you, Crankydave, because I am one of the people who knows nearly nothing about programming, but I have been the owner of a quite large website (1.5 million uniques this month) for three years -- and so, I do have much experience to offer. And, I like to come here to read, and try to educate myself on at least the principles of coding.

I'd like to admit, however, that I am very shy to post because I feel a bit like a fish out of water on most topics here.

So -- is the place really for someone like me, do you think? I'm the frontwoman, PR person, staff manager, and final responsibility-taker of all things my-site, but... I do not use SEO tactics or know how to code (beyond basic HTML).

Gotta say, diversity is my favorite thing, on and offline. But, if my presence is watering down this forum, I will not participate -- I would not want my site or forum harmed either!

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A pleasure to see you, Rah!

I empathize -- I administrate my site's forum as well as take care of its content archive... and a thousand other things. I don't post on my forums too often, either, but I do watch over it. There's just not time for everything -- not to mention, I tend to proofread and edit my public words half to death! -- I guess that's why we have moderators.

It is a difficult balance to strike, more like a continual re-gathering of the feet under oneself.

This actually is quite on topic, but I wish not to specify overmuch:

Can you guys, as a whole, please keep a closer eye on those that are in direct contact with the members, via email? I am presently living in (some level of) fear that I will be banned because I have had a polite-but-significant disagreement with your newsletter moderator, just this morning. I mean to express intense concern more than anything else, besides showing you my boo-boo. -shows-

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Jaxxy... thank YOU

Sounds to me like you have quite a bit of experience to offer.

Post as you feel comfortable. No opinion, comment or insight given in sincerity in regards the topic or ideas being discussed ever "waters down" anything AFAIC.

Dave

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Oh, Tubby, I wasn't sure that anyone else felt as I do! But I am quite like you in much of what you've said here. (Too bad I came in -- both to this forum and this topic -- so late, eh?)

I imagine, if asked, I'd say I want more discussion about "real" websites -ducks thrown fruit- ehh, sorry! I mean... I need to learn so much about the Internet and website dynamics, because my (used-to-be) hobby-site has become a humongous entity. I really don't have a need for a good page rank, or more traffic -- my site and traffic is just about all my staff and I can manage!

If anything, I'd really like to learn about how to very all-involved-parties-happily and ethically make the money to pay for my site's server services (about $600 a month), and to pay my small core staff of techs (as I am not a programmer, but the responsible party/manager/PR/site policy/community philosophy's guardian type person).

But -- is it those of us like Tubby and I that are in the wrong place? Is this forum meant to be the place for SEO/Google-ness only/mostly? If so, I will not bother a soul, I will just find where it is that I need to be.

No hard feelings anywhere -- there's a place for everything, and everything's best in its place.

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Well, I sure know I can't pay the rent in this place I got stuck with -- and if one of the monetizing wizards of this site had the kind of traffic I do, they'd probably be snorting jillion dollar... diamonds, or something, by now.

Ah, but then my site has many not-so-usual dynamics going on... still, anyone wanna take advantage of a clueless goldmine owner? You know how to get me!

KIDDING!, this is not meant to be a promotional post one bit... I have honestly been confused as to my place in this community lately, and if I can find a way out of the strange website-ular position I've found myself in... and, well, it's a thread, so I'm a-talkin'.

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Woooobuddy, am I ever like that, too. I mean, my site's just killing it out there; I just don't know if I can keep up... cause I don't know how to figure out how to know, yet... arg!

Hence me combing these fora for others' experiences (and yes, sometimes getting frustrated with the Google obsession). I'm grateful-as-anything to those who maintain this forum -- I'm only shaky on my level of contribution here, because I'm really into pooling knowledge (more on the side of being of a help than a constant beggar for information).

For me, it's largely a mater of the cozy feeling it gives, as well as how it can -- ideally -- help hard-working, ethical, community-contributing people be safe in a money-world.

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I'm honored and humbled -- I'll certainly try, once I figure out where I fit in.

(Now I'm going to take a break here -- I think I'm just about spamming this thread -- with not much of anything but my own plight!)

Thank you, Crankydave. I feel quite a bit better now.

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I say tomorrow's newsletter should be: "Help Jaxxy get on the road to snorting diamonds!"

Video would be a bonus.

Personal opinion of course Jaxxy, but if people like you were not on this forum, I for one would quickly feel very much like Janeth in the OP re: Bored of the SoS.

Perhaps you should make a new thread that clearly requests assistance in the monetization of your web site?

I'd gladly contribute, though I am off to a family reunion sometime tomorrow.

Janeth and I appear to have the same father, going to have to ask him some tough questions this weekend...

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Rah et al: have you considered adding board functionality that would let users of the forum "vote for newsletter inclusion" for a given thread (one time)? Might help get some non-Google threads, the quickly-buried kind, in there more frequently?

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Hahaha~ Well! I would be willing to be filmed... if the diamonds came with the project for free? <3...? !

I am flattered; though I shall spend the rest of my wakeful hours this night deciding what exactly "people like you" means (thankfully I'm already three-quarters asleep... one such region being my brain). In a good way, as the fontage indicates it was meant. If my odd-ish behavior around the Forum today (a strange day amongst many) was not minded, well, I will continue to try to un-bore the unwashed masses of WPW.

Have a great time tomorrow/today, Chiron, and thanks, everyone, for making me feel... not-so-strangerish today. I will say that it was much more than a pleasant surprise, but hope for my beloved website/project/life's purpose's future.

(I'm not completely sure about starting my own money-thread, since the site is really more of a... not-for-money thing? I'm sure I'll explain the whole thing sometime on a proper dedicated thread, when I feel sort of "safe" about it -- many of the users, or ex-moderators, of the site are the type to lay in wait and watch for me to make some kind of "wrong move". The plotted plight of Jaxxy sickens, eh?)

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-hand raises shyly from the back of the room-

Sir... may I please have no more (Google)? ...

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Jaxxy said
"But -- is it those of us like Tubby and I that are in the wrong place? "


No. . . Neither you nor I are in the wrong forum.

I think you can start a thread on any Topic you wish, I suspect 'SEO' content will take a back seat to any topic that has good intent and web related.

Problems webmasters encounter while pursuing a living wage in e Business are surely welcome in WPW.

I shall ad to your rep rank to assist you feel more at home..

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Thanks, Tubby -- that's something I've wondered about for a good long time.

I have just about a thousand and one things I'd like to discuss here -- I will be sure to do that, once I can frame a singular thought out of the crowd.

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