The forum is better after the last update. I have a proposal to make it IMO even better. Divide the forum in two parts.

1. One free for new memebers.
2. One free for 1000 / 500 or even 100 + posters and paid for other members.

There are two obvious advantages:

1. More restrictive posting. Minimalism.
2. Reduce forum spam.

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I'll share my opinion...

Segregation is rarely, if ever, a good idea for a public community. Everyone needs to be made to feel part of the whole rather than... "You are only worthy to participate in this area."

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O.K. then a second option could be, one section for Kgun . . the other section for everyone else.

(jus jokin)

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Tubby, I buy that, but sell it short.

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Tubby simply had to get rep points for that little gem. Ah - it would not let me as I have recently added to his rep -so someone else please do it

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More precisely, sell it short and buy it back at the bottom.

Note:
There are forums like WMW that use this solution.

It is already segregated

It may be a good advice though to concentrate more on own sites and less on forums.

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Please take particular note of my bolding...

Hmmmm... You have made 1300+ more posts than I have and in a shorter amount of time. Perhaps heeding your own advice?

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I note your bolding. This was meant as an advice. Repeating and introducing some additional points:

1. Dividing the forum in two, can reduce spam and make it more foccused. That was my main point.
2. I miss moderators outside UK / USA and from other religions. (To make it clear, It is not an agenda to introduce myself. I am not interested. Since I have my own forum).
3. Credibility is a very important concept in economics, my profession. Being a moderator / administrator on different forums can generally reduce integrity and credibility. Don't make this a great point, please.

There are many direct, indirect, formal and informal ways to implement segregation whether it is intended or not. The price mechanism is one (accepted way?).

Note:
WPW is (described as being) an international professional forum.

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I'm not into the separation either ... I like WPW as it is ... and I agree Tubby deserves rep points, too, but alas *I* need to spread some more around before I can do it, too ...

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adding rep points is easy. I just added rep to the last 4 posters.
If I run out I just give negative ones to

I- I always make a point of posting when I give negative points. So I presume my points go up and down.
but donating negative points does create room for favourites.
(reminds me I need to replace a negative point to webnauts - he apologized -)
Does anyone know where I can buy a webnauts Teddy bear?

The site works well Kgun, forums are notoriously hard to keep traffic flowing and user interest high. whimsically pondering what might seem to be a good thought might just be side stepping reality a little bit. . Nobody accept a mathematician would contemplate a change without at least a quick look at the statistical information that those running the site have, You gotta love mathematicians

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Read how Wikipedia describes newsgroup and forum spam:

"Old Usenet convention defines spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is, the repeated posting of a message (or substantially similar messages)."

Googling:

KW site:www.webproworld.com

should have been pointed out more often by moderators. It is my personal opinion.

One, very important sticky SEO post (This is a forum for eBusiness professionals):

LIST: High Ranking Directories and Indices

Look at Ken's rep rank for posting 5721 posts. And that happended after he left.

Why not introduce the

LobbyRank

sooner than later?

If a lot of people disagree with you, you can end up having a negative rank for posting more than 5000 posts.

Since Ken left, I think it should at least be fair to set his RepRank at green zero as a minimum. In my view he deserves at least a RepRank of 4.

1. What do new members / surfers think when they open that important SEO thread started by Ken?
2. What do you think potential customers of him think if they see the thread?

In my own forum rules I write:

3. Free posting under responsibility. Do not get personal. Stick to the subject. Personal attacks will be deleted without argument, and you may be banned from the forum. Note, professional disagreement is not a personal attack and a professional discussion may feel hard to somebody. But be polite, even if the discussion is hard, and you are a winner in our view. Humor is good, but bad humor (again our judgment) on behalf of other members may be regarded as a personal attack. Especially if a lot of members go against another member, even if that member started, be careful with your words. Try to understand cultural differences. People from some countries may tolerate and stand more than other members. Especially, for that reason, we look for moderators outside the Christian Western world that understand these cultures better than us.

My bolding above.

Ken was a moderator. So WPW moderators be careful

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KGUN
crankydave, will argue to his dying breath to place his opinion up front and for our consideration. When he does this he often points us all to a perspective we might well not have seen - Would you deprive new members of this?

ctabuc, keeps plodding along (with Humour) with a very neglected perspective on what search engines are used for.
What he does. . works. (although not really understood) It is useful. Would you deprive new members of this?

MJ, will take a question post apart, and answer each item individually, She answer question for many users that never asked, lurkers and the like. Would you deprive new members of this?

Kgun, asks questions that nobody in their right mind would realistically consider in the everyday humdrum of life trying to make ends meet working on the net. he often uncovers something interesting, points users to stuff he found on the net. gives us the shits sometimes. but is a great and funny guy. he ads interest to the forum. he has knowledge he sometimes uses. Would you deprive new members of this?


I agree with ctabuk. No segregation is needed. but I would like to see greater variation on the little green dot with the rep points. a new user faced with an answer almost always sees just one or two green dots. It would be better if the prestige value were boosted for the above members . .. it is the only hint they get when asking their first question about the quality of the answer...... not used enough.

negative rep the spammers, and those that offer advise that would harm if implemented.


we have the power to make a visual segregation. . the forum offers this capability. .

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Tubby, no promblem with that. Did you note my edit above?

Negative rep rank for forum spammers is great, if you are sure.

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Yes, look at Mike's and Ken's RepRank? Meaningful?

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1. Quote:

   What do new members / surfers think when they open that important SEO thread started by Ken? What do you think potential customers of him think if they see the thread?

Believe me, we read beyond Rep Points. Actually I haven't even noticed you use Rep Points. I read words and make my personal judgment based on what is written not what others say.

Kgun said
"Negative rep rank for forum spammers is great, if you are sure."

No Kgun, I am never sure. but I post the thought anyway. If you agree with the post and others agree with the post, then I will get a little bit more surer. on the other hand if I visit the post in three months time and it seems silly . . I might just decide I was not sure.

Kgun, I have deliberately misunderstood your post. (just for fun)

I looked at mikes rep rank. I think anyone reading his post would certainly notice the long row of green boxes. It does make him stand out. . . That is segregation enough. yes its meaningful, But different users might read the meaning differently, some might read 'members are sucking up to this guy' or 'wow this guy is important' or 'holy cow I hope I do not get a PM asking me to add to his rep rank'

kgun said. "Yes, look at Mike's and Ken's Rep-Rank? Meaningful?" meaning is created in the mind of the user.

Personally I prefered it when I had mvp beside my name. . but I am not selling anything like SEO or Web Design. so I can manage with or without it.

I can always imagine that I am important. . . . I suspect Kgun imagines he is important too
(I like the above line, jus jokin)

Thats about it from me on segregation. . use the little green boxes to separate yourself from the other bunch. .

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Tubby, you have chosen wrong profession. You should have been teaching philosophy at an Australian university.

I know your answer or I think I know it

You got positive LobbyRank from me for that answer.

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MursPlace said
"Believe me, we read beyond Rep Points. Actually I haven't even noticed you use Rep Points. I read words and make my personal judgment based on what is written not what others say."

But, Say you were totally new and asked the question, does having AdSense on your site improve ranking?

and incrediblehelp said no (rep rank - 4)
and seller001 said yes (rep rank - nothing)

If your initial thought was yes, would you wonder why a user with a rep rank of four was thinking differently from you - or would you simply accept seller001's yes as a conformation of your own thoughts?

Nobody gets rep rank for voting for themselves. a rep rank of 4 implies a lot of credibility.

you say "Believe me, we read beyond Rep Points" but you can really only speak for yourself.

so I shall read that as 'you' read beyond rep points. That's good MursPlace - so do I, but I do have some insight about who is offering the better advise on WPW.

Nice to say Hi to you MursPlace.....
P.S. nice post (helpful) in topic RV Traveling Article Writers Needed...


who is Ken? anyway....

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I just "nosed" my Pepsi... Tubby, you're too much.

Done!

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reciprocated.

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You're asking a guy that was sandboxed by google before it was a buzz word.

Seller001 and I should exchange Server Log Reports because they don't lie when its normal to have 600 crawls a day from Google to Zero in a day you have to wonder who pulled the plug. The timing was always related to something I did or Posted. I studied logs allot, not anymore because I have more fun just looking at their search patterns and adjusting my products to match.

But I can tell you what not to do to Google, "Do not bad mouth them in your companies technical forums. And never, never publish a Proof of Concept approach. That's what I think doomed me back in 2002. But all is back, I'm listed 22 times, no, wait, 24 times now in google.

When I get the chance I'll send Seller001 a Kudo
And we know PoC = Sandbox.
And to answer your question. I have to run Adsense at least twice a week to keep the media crawler returning but it does have a good schedule and I know how to move it. You need at least the weekends covered.
School of hard knocks and Reverse engineering

I feel for you all regarding your "Rating" system. I say nothing about it being a moderator once and never again I feel for you all.

Anyway, I'm not here to express my Opinion, I'm here looking for a SEO / Google Lawyer.

Thanks and nice reading at the site here.

I don't know any Ken but I do know a couple of Barbies and Jills.

MursPlace, I shall read your last post several times more, I am hoping that something might pop into my head in answer to it. But I fear your post will continue to confuse me.

I did not know you had a tender spot regarding ranking and google adsense, If I had known I would not have touched it.

OOPS!

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A point I believe bears repeating.

Tubby... Your points regarding deprivation are spot on.

Relegating "members" solely to one "area" or another based on just about any criteria I can think of is a bad idea IMO.

As far as SPAM goes, I know personally that the moderaters here work very, very, hard to keep it to a minimum and prevent it from happening. There's not a single one of them that wouldn't like to spend more time interacting.

What do you suppose would happen if new members were relegated to a single area until they had enough posts?

1. More SPAM until they got enough posts.
   
2. Much less likely to join because they wouldn't be allowed to interact with the entire community.
   
3. Much less likely to attract "ebusiness professionals" because of the above.

Ask yourself this question kgun...

If you had never posted here before, how likely would you be to join if you were only allowed to participate in part of the forum until you had enough posts?

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Of course I asked myself that question before I wrote this post.

KW: Common sense

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Did you know that you can give out too many rep points? I was on a bit of a tear yesterday, I guess, giving out rep points here and there - I was trying to spread enough around that I could come back and award some to Tubby, but now I can't give any to any body, positive or negative ... it says " You have given out too much reputation in the last 24 hours - try again later."

Harumph!

What next: posting too often? It wouldn't be the first time I was told I talk too much.

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Yes, on a professional forum that should be important. Common sense is important. E.g. if someone asks about the sandbox, the following search:

kw's sandbox site:www.webproworld.com

should be the first natural search for a moderator. But care must be taken. The sandbox topic may be very different in 2008 than in 2003. So common sense must be excercised. I am too restrictive, I know. That is why there is very few comments on my own forum. The main poster is kbleivik, but better that then answering hundreds of similar posts for free on a forum with little traffic.

By the way Tubby is a moderator there. I think I did not ask him or did I?

Forums will in my personal view be more and more professional as the web developes. More and more will be paid, even moderators. Remember my last words.

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I'll drop out of this forum after this and let you mods continue without the interruptions from a newbie.

This is Rep points and Division related. See link:

Business Model:
Experts - Exchange ./Com

When they started it bordered being a joke to other techs and to me.
Today, I'm kicking myself in the rear.

I don't think SEOs have something like this but if they did. I wonder who would be on top in the SERPs.

Where can I download "uaa hd audio bus driver from Microsoft" at? : download, uaa, audio, driver, bus

"Basic Forum Questions" "FAQ" "Expert SEO Forum Questions"

My WPW Wish List:
I wish WPW Mods and SEO Professionals would setup a Professional Answers section hidden from Google spiders where website owners can ask real questions without having to worry about the G indexing their name in the wrong context.

MJ said
" You have given out too much reputation in the last 24 hours - try again later."

HMMMPPH - next they will say -
You drank to much - return to the bar later,
You drove to fast - collect your car from the pound in 72 hours
You spent to much - try your credit car again in 24 hours
You had sex last week - mow the lawn, clean the pool, buy me flowers, and try again in 24 hours.

MJ, I too have 'max'ed out on RP ratings before.

You are just a crazy Wild 'take it to the limit' kind of girl.

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IMO the Reputation Points bar is nothing better than the Alexa Toolbar. I never understood how that thingy could be accurate. You simply need to look around what is asked and post a link to a web site with tutorials for newbies, or to sites that most probably can help the member, and there you got your point. This is my observation since this thing have implemented.

Besides, someone mentioned above something like, negative points shall be added to members who provides false or misleading information that can harm another member. Who is the one who can judge that?

Therefore, once again IMO, that reputation thingy is not objective but harmful. Does anyone have doubts that members who are asking questions cannot judge right away if the info is really helpful, at least until they see results?
They give though a point right away. Do they come back and give a negative point if they were burned? I don't think so.

Also there are members who think that the info provided is accurate and correct, if it is provided by someone who has a certain status in this forum (i.e Admin, Mod, etc).

To resume, in my personal opinion, this whole thing is de-motivating for members who really want help, and if you wish, including myself.

Just my two cents.

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webnauts said'

"Besides, someone mentioned above something like, negative points shall be added to members who provides false or misleading information that can harm another member. Who is the one who can judge that?"

John. the system is in place, it is an integral part of the forum. You shall be the Judge. If you think my post suggesting the above is bad for the forum for example, (or yourself). then click on link at the top of this comment, and hand me a negative point. I did it to you. (I did replace it later )

It makes the forum a little bit more democratic John. You have voting power, It is yours to use or abuse.

But nicely said John. . we have two sides of the coin to look at now.

P.S.
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Well I do not want to sound rude, but if I start adding negative points to posts I consider inaccurate or harmful, it will not be appreciated from many members here. And that can only trigger a war in the community. Is that what democracy is about?I guess we can try that out, just to get the full potential of this democratic system and see the results. Should we?

Yeah Tuddy. I am looking forward to see what the other member have to say about all this.

Looks like you are a fan of my Teddy Bear. Right?

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Webnauts said
Looks like you are a fan of my Teddy Bear. Right?

Yes, you got that right Buddy - we are well off topic now, I was a little bit agravated by your blind spot towards the way david gets traffic. . So I figured I would ease my frustration. you might need to go to davids forum.

Or a Moderator might want to split or move this post to a marketing section - and delete the large blue print -

I am having fun
webnaut-bear

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That is excellent promotion. You forgot to mention accessibility and usability though.

But thanks man.

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webnauts said
That is excellent promotion. You forgot to mention accessibility and usability though.

No I never forgot, the page does not need those words. anyone viewing the site does not needs those words.
more content would make the purpose obscure. .

onlya 'webnautbear' - would use those those words

P.S. It is not an excellent promotion. . your friends will decide if it will become an excellent promotion. A sense of fum might make it an excellent promotion. . .

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Truth be told, I was not a fan of the rep system when it was introduced. However, I've come to take a very different view of it.

I simply do not look at it as "points" or "rank". Rather, a feedback tool. Another way for members to say "thank you for your help" or "nice post" to another whom they feel deserves it on a personal level. Also way for members to point out they "disapprove" in the same manner.

Like any source of feedback, it's "value" is dependant upon the reasons for it and, just as important, what the recipient does with those comments. There are quite a few "safeguards" built into the system in an effort to curtail "abuse" ie. a minimum number of posts and points in order to "affect" the recipients "display".

For me, the "rep display" isn't where I find "value". It's in the comments that are made when rep is given.

As far as the "display" goes, it only has "value" to those who assign value to it. Just like any other member metric that is displayed.

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First of all this thread has gone a bit off topic.

Advice: Split it in a new thread, with the title: "WPW's reputation and rating system".

Generally, regarding online voting this

The ClearVote Petition | clearvote.org

is a good source that should be read by anybody using any online poll or voting system. Google's own green PageRank bar is an example of an electronic voting system.

Regarding the Alexa Toolbar, I think (aside from not knowing it fully) it is no worse than any other toolbar. I use only one.

As a mathematician and statistician, I do not buy this

Thoughts on Alexa data

article before any other article regarding other toolbars. It is far from deep enough.

Is it better to continue the discussion regarding the Alexa ranking and toolbar here?:

Alexa traffic. How reliable is the tool?


Agree, that is a serious objection to any such system. A person that has never written a line of program code (not markup) judging a professional programmer. That is meaningless. To vote in elections, you have to be old enough. To vote on a professional eCommerce forum, you should have been an active member for a while and given the right to vote.

That is why I sometimes use the term LobbyRank.

See what I wrote above. Even a former moderator may end up with a negative LobbyRank.

Nevertheless, I mean such a system can be of value depending on how it is implemented.

I know one (two) persons in this forum that is consistently against the Google toolbar rank and the Alexa toolbar and ranking system, ctabuk (incrediblehelp - don't know his opinion on Alexa).

So back to the start of this thread. If an online voting system, were cookie, IP robust (not necessarily, since many should be able to vote from the same IP in some situations) etc. and supplemented with a digital identity, it could sometimes be less biased, than an offline voting system, if a neutral third party arranged the system. That is overkill for a forum in january 2008.

P.S.
True digital money, a unique 128 bit pattern in your online pocket book, is more difficult to copy than a paper note. It is used once and destroyed.

So in 2100 or earlier, I am sure that some countries have implemented an online voting system in political elections that is safer than todays offline voting systems.

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IMO again, the RepRank may remain internally (visible in the profile of the member, and not to the public), and the toolbar should not be displayed in the public posts.

About a former moderator ending up with a negative LobbyRank is not an argument. An active moderator can get a negative LobbyRank too. Well maybe members would not dare to do that, but that is another story.

To be honest I do not have the time as I used to do, but if this RepRank issue will not be straighten out, I am not willing to provide the support I would like to.

Just coming here trying to help users, and that posting links to my competitors articles/tutorials/tools, and not to my own (because as I am not a moderator, I do not have that right!!!), I am very sorry. No chance.

And if I dare to post my stuff, I can only expect to get an infraction for Spammed Advertisements, because I am not a mod who have those rights. No way.

Was it Tubby who mentioned the word democracy? I think I have to check once again the meaning of democracy, as I seriously assume that I missed something about its whole meaning.

Just my personal view.

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In addition, have anyone noticed which members have the top 10 reputations?

All together are 10:
8 are Moderators, and 2 are Veteran members.

What am I? WebProWorld 1,000+ Club??? WOW!!!

Thanks a lot WPW!

Can all that be serious?

Come on everybody...

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I agree 100%. I enjoyed helping other members on this forum and liked having the MVP badge to show for it. Now we've been given a stupid green bar that no-one gives a crap about and doesn't reflect my past efforts.

I'm not really complaining though as I cant be bothered to help out here anymore (I'm sure other members feel the same), due to the threads frequently turning into overheated debates/arguments. I will however help out on David Castles' and the SEO Workers Forums as the conversations never get out of control there

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So you bought the concept, LobbyRank? I mean it and most ranking systems I have seen online so far is biased towards lobby activity.

Democracy is an inflated word. Two things I have heard about the word that I think is important:

1. Democracy is it's own worst enemy.
2. When all other political systems have been tried it is the less worst.

I have written about structural violence elswhere. There can be much structural viloence in a democracy.


Yes, that is a serious objective rating. At least, we are, hopefully, both members of this exclusive club in 2015 with a positive LobbyRank. It is too early to know the future.

John, related to my site, you know which, I gave the membership a ReadObjectiveWPWRank. Was it random that you used the same colour?

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My bolding.

Of utmost importance, since it is very biased towards moderators and how active you were on the forum when it was introduced.

Cryptical statement.

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With or without the RepRank system, isn't the same type of risk to one's reputation associated with any post a person makes on a public forum? A user can still be flamed, etc., and in an even more public way than someone clicking the negative vote button. Although a cumulative negative vote could become public, in most cases a few negatives are quickly outweighed and hidden by the positive votes, in a way that the traditional "flame everyone that disagrees" system did not allow.

I was unaware that anyone had that right. Being a forum, rather than a directory, the intent is that posts contain information relevant to the topic of the thread, with links providing more specific or detailed information or background information, rather than posts saying "read here" and an outgoing link, regardless of the poster's affiliation with the linked document.

Actually, I was in top three for RepRank for the entire time between the system being implemented and my becoming a mod, and well before hitting 1,000 posts...

Are you taking offense at having the 1,000+ Club tag instead of Veteran? The Veteran tag is an indication of the number of posts (500-999, I believe) and nothing else.

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I do no agree. Look at my previous post. Who are in the top 10 RepRank here at WPW? How many members I helped here already? Look at my RepRank. Sorry, but this is very suspicious to me.

Oh yes! Mods have the exclusive right. For instance there are mods here who are posting links to their sites/blogs articles/tutorials all over the place.

And members like myself are not allowed to do so. I got around Christmas time an infraction for Spammed Advertisements, because I was linking to on-topic articles and tutorials of my site.

I think MVP would fit better. Why? For example, there are a lot of members here who are posting all the time the same and the same again:

1. Thank you.
2. Very valuable information.
3. Great information.
4. Etc.

Maybe there intention is not to get 1000 points to join the club, but they probably are just trying to draw the attention of members to their signatures, but at some point when they get 1000 posts, are their posts so valuable as mine or of other valuable members here?

Come on Wige. Lets be serious man.

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When a member gets annoyed/disagrees with other members now, they put a neg mark on their reputation. No-one else knows what its for though do they? A person could over-use smilies in a post and someone else may not like it and so they give them a neg rep. It has no meaning, you cant compare one persons RepRank to another as there is nothing to base it on!

Whereas before: someone that had been appointed a moderator or admin would award other members with a badge to show they have been helpful, not for anything else.

It's just another green bar that means nowt lol.

I've rewritten my post. Maybe its a little more clear now?

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I am in contact with a lot of members here and I think we can manipulate the RepRank. We just need to vote each other all the time so we can increase our RepRank. I do not think it would be hard to get up to the top 10.

Not a bad idea, since no one seems to care here anymore manipulating Googles PageRank.

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Difficult to convince me. I could have repeated the same words.

Back to topic?

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Ups? This reminded me the scene of "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" in the elevator, where the tall/thin guy in the corner doubted what Duke said for which team they were working for.

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John, be careful, or MunKYonline will give you a negative rep point for that, even if you are an admin ...

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He is an admin too. Admins can give each other red dots if they feel like it.

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Yes, in the Castle and I am sure he deserves it

A competitor in my niche?

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