Dividing WPW in two parts.

kgun · #1 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 09:48 AM

The forum is better after the last update. I have a proposal to make it IMO even better. Divide the forum in two parts.

One free for new memebers.
One free for 1000 / 500 or even 100 + posters and paid for other members.

There are two obvious advantages:

More restrictive posting. Minimalism.
Reduce forum spam.

**crankydave** · #2 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 10:08 AM

I'll share my opinion...

Segregation is rarely, if ever, a good idea for a public community. Everyone needs to be made to feel part of the whole rather than... "You are only worthy to participate in this area."

Dave

Tubby · #3 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 03:56 PM

O.K. then a second option could be, one section for Kgun . . the other section for everyone else.

(jus jokin)

kgun · #4 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 08:11 PM

Tubby, I buy that, but sell it short.

**ctabuk** · #5 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 08:21 AM

Tubby simply had to get rep points for that little gem. Ah - it would not let me as I have recently added to his rep -so someone else please do it

kgun · #6 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 09:17 AM

More precisely, sell it short and buy it back at the bottom.

Note:
There are forums like WMW that use this solution.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crankydave

I'll share my opinion...

Segregation is rarely, if ever, a good idea for a public community. Everyone needs to be made to feel part of the whole rather than... "You are only worthy to participate in this area."

Dave

It is already segregated

It may be a good advice though to concentrate more on own sites and less on forums.

**crankydave** · #7 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

It is already segregated

Please take particular note of my bolding...

Quote:

segregation(sĕg'rĭ-gā'shən)

n.

The act or process of segregating or the condition of being segregated.
The policy or practice of separating people of different races, classes, or ethnic groups, as in schools, housing, and public or commercial facilities, especially as a form of discrimination.
Genetics. The separation of paired alleles or homologous chromosomes, especially during meiosis, so that the members of each pair appear in different gametes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

It may be a good advice though to concentrate more on own sites and less on forums.

Hmmmm... You have made 1300+ more posts than I have and in a shorter amount of time. Perhaps heeding your own advice?

Dave

kgun · #8 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 11:17 AM

I note your bolding. This was meant as an advice. Repeating and introducing some additional points:

Dividing the forum in two, can reduce spam and make it more foccused. That was my main point.
I miss moderators outside UK / USA and from other religions. (To make it clear, It is not an agenda to introduce myself. I am not interested. Since I have my own forum).
Credibility is a very important concept in economics, my profession. Being a moderator / administrator on different forums can generally reduce integrity and credibility. Don't make this a great point, please.

There are many direct, indirect, formal and informal ways to implement segregation whether it is intended or not. The price mechanism is one (accepted way?).

Note:
WPW is (described as being) an international professional forum.

**mjtaylor** · #9 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 12:33 PM

I'm not into the separation either ... I like WPW as it is ... and I agree Tubby deserves rep points, too, but alas *I* need to spread some more around before I can do it, too ...

Tubby · #10 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 03:50 PM

adding rep points is easy. I just added rep to the last 4 posters.
If I run out I just give negative ones to

I- I always make a point of posting when I give negative points. So I presume my points go up and down.
but donating negative points does create room for favourites.
(reminds me I need to replace a negative point to webnauts - he apologized -)
Does anyone know where I can buy a webnauts Teddy bear?

The site works well Kgun, forums are notoriously hard to keep traffic flowing and user interest high. whimsically pondering what might seem to be a good thought might just be side stepping reality a little bit. . Nobody accept a mathematician would contemplate a change without at least a quick look at the statistical information that those running the site have, You gotta love mathematicians

kgun · #11 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:18 PM

Read how Wikipedia describes newsgroup and forum spam:

"Old Usenet convention defines spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is, the repeated posting of a message (or substantially similar messages)."

Googling:

KW site:www.webproworld.com

should have been pointed out more often by moderators. It is my personal opinion.

One, very important sticky SEO post (This is a forum for eBusiness professionals):

LIST: High Ranking Directories and Indices

Look at Ken's rep rank for posting 5721 posts. And that happended after he left.

Why not introduce the

LobbyRank

sooner than later?

If a lot of people disagree with you, you can end up having a negative rank for posting more than 5000 posts.

Since Ken left, I think it should at least be fair to set his RepRank at green zero as a minimum. In my view he deserves at least a RepRank of 4.

What do new members / surfers think when they open that important SEO thread started by Ken?
What do you think potential customers of him think if they see the thread?

In my own forum rules I write:

3. Free posting under responsibility. Do not get personal. Stick to the subject. Personal attacks will be deleted without argument, and you may be banned from the forum. Note, professional disagreement is not a personal attack and a professional discussion may feel hard to somebody. But be polite, even if the discussion is hard, and you are a winner in our view. Humor is good, but bad humor (again our judgment) on behalf of other members may be regarded as a personal attack. Especially if a lot of members go against another member, even if that member started, be careful with your words. Try to understand cultural differences. People from some countries may tolerate and stand more than other members. Especially, for that reason, we look for moderators outside the Christian Western world that understand these cultures better than us.

My bolding above.

Ken was a moderator. So WPW moderators be careful

Tubby · #12 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:27 PM

KGUN
crankydave, will argue to his dying breath to place his opinion up front and for our consideration. When he does this he often points us all to a perspective we might well not have seen - Would you deprive new members of this?

ctabuc, keeps plodding along (with Humour) with a very neglected perspective on what search engines are used for.
What he does. . works. (although not really understood) It is useful. Would you deprive new members of this?

MJ, will take a question post apart, and answer each item individually, She answer question for many users that never asked, lurkers and the like. Would you deprive new members of this?

Kgun, asks questions that nobody in their right mind would realistically consider in the everyday humdrum of life trying to make ends meet working on the net. he often uncovers something interesting, points users to stuff he found on the net. gives us the shits sometimes. but is a great and funny guy. he ads interest to the forum. he has knowledge he sometimes uses. Would you deprive new members of this?

I agree with ctabuk. No segregation is needed. but I would like to see greater variation on the little green dot with the rep points. a new user faced with an answer almost always sees just one or two green dots. It would be better if the prestige value were boosted for the above members . .. it is the only hint they get when asking their first question about the quality of the answer...... not used enough.

negative rep the spammers, and those that offer advise that would harm if implemented.

we have the power to make a visual segregation. . the forum offers this capability. .

kgun · #13 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:35 PM

Tubby, no promblem with that. Did you note my edit above?

Negative rep rank for forum spammers is great, if you are sure.

kgun · #14 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubby

we have the power to make a visual segregation. . the forum offers this capability. .

Yes, look at Mike's and Ken's RepRank? Meaningful?

MursPlace · #15 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:
What do new members / surfers think when they open that important SEO thread started by Ken?

What do you think potential customers of him think if they see the thread?

Believe me, we read beyond Rep Points. Actually I haven't even noticed you use Rep Points. I read words and make my personal judgment based on what is written not what others say.

Tubby · #16 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 05:56 PM

Kgun said
"Negative rep rank for forum spammers is great, if you are sure."

No Kgun, I am never sure. but I post the thought anyway. If you agree with the post and others agree with the post, then I will get a little bit more surer. on the other hand if I visit the post in three months time and it seems silly . . I might just decide I was not sure.

Kgun, I have deliberately misunderstood your post. (just for fun)

I looked at mikes rep rank. I think anyone reading his post would certainly notice the long row of green boxes. It does make him stand out. . . That is segregation enough. yes its meaningful, But different users might read the meaning differently, some might read 'members are sucking up to this guy' or 'wow this guy is important' or 'holy cow I hope I do not get a PM asking me to add to his rep rank'

kgun said. "Yes, look at Mike's and Ken's Rep-Rank? Meaningful?" meaning is created in the mind of the user.

Personally I prefered it when I had mvp beside my name. . but I am not selling anything like SEO or Web Design. so I can manage with or without it.

I can always imagine that I am important. . . . I suspect Kgun imagines he is important too
(I like the above line, jus jokin)

Thats about it from me on segregation. . use the little green boxes to separate yourself from the other bunch. .

kgun · #17 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 07:44 PM

Tubby, you have chosen wrong profession. You should have been teaching philosophy at an Australian university.

I know your answer or I think I know it

You got positive LobbyRank from me for that answer.