Reputation System Details

**mike** · #1 (**permalink**) 05-20-2007, 03:07 PM

The New Reputation System:

Here's the skinny on how the new reputation system has been implemented. I have taken into account a great number of factors in terms of weighting reputation scoring ability and advancement etc. Some of these values may need to be tweaked as we move along, but I like what we have to start with.

So here's how it works:

Default Reputation
Rep Score all new users receive upon registration = 1

Number of Reputation Ratings to Display
Number of ratings to display in the user's control panel = 5

Register Date Factor
For every 365 days, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power. = 1 influence point per 365 days of membership

Post Count Factor
For every 1000 posts, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power. = 1 influence point per 1000 posts

Reputation Point Factor
For every 100 points of reputation, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.= 1 influence point per 100

Minimum Post Count
A user must have a minimum of 50 posts before his reputation hits count on others. = 50 posts minimum

Daily Reputation Clicks Limit
How many reputation clicks can a user give over each 24 hour period. = 10 per day

Reputation User Spread
How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again. = 20

Now the scale:

User RepRank -3 = -1000
User RepRank -2 = -100
User RepRank -1 = -50
User RepRank 0 = 0
User RepRank 1 = 10
User RepRank 2 = 50
User RepRank 3 = 150
User RepRank 4 = 250
User RepRank 5 = 500
User RepRank 6 = 650
User RepRank 7 = 950
User RepRank 8 = 1200
User RepRank 9 = 1300
User RepRank 10 = 2000
User RepRank 11 = 5000

So there you go. We'll see how it works.

**mike** · #2 (**permalink**) 05-20-2007, 07:15 PM

default setting when replying is instant email notification for me... yours is no email?

incrediblehelp · #3 (**permalink**) 05-20-2007, 08:33 PM

I had to change it in the profile before it showed. Most people wont even think to do this. I suggest having it default as instant email notificaiton and then allow people to opt out in their profile.

**mike** · #4 (**permalink**) 05-20-2007, 09:33 PM

that is the default. might be because youre a mod and in a different usergroup

MuNKyonline · #5 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 05:01 AM

Does this mean that there are no MVP's anymore? I liked that badge

**mike** · #6 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 09:39 AM

There are MVPs - or will be rather. As soon as I get MVP back on, I'll post about it.

**wige** · #7 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 02:44 PM

I know a lot of thought and discussion has gone into this already, and I am sure I have missed a few of the threads related to the rep system, but as I read the details, I got a bit confused, probably with the terminology. This is what I could figure out, please tell me if I am right or wrong....

1) There are two elements, Rep Points that you can accrue, and your RepRank, which is determined by how many Rep Points you have and which is displayed to other users.

2) When joining the forum, you get 1 Rep Point.

3) For every year as a member of the forum, and for every 1,000 posts made, you earn 1 Rep Point.

4) Users who have posted on the forum at least 50 times can vote on posts from other users, with either a positive or negative vote. The number of points earned or lost from that vote is weighted based on the Rep Points of the individual voter, and only so many votes can be made by a user per day.

5) User votes are weighted based on the Rep Points of the voter, with 1 Rep Point given to (or taken from) the votee for every 100 Rep Points the voter currently has.

5) The total number of points which you have earned determines your RepRank according to the given chart.

A user who joined (1 Rep Point) in 2004 (three years= 3 Rep Points) and has posted 2,000 posts (2 Rep Points) would then have 6 points and a RepRank of 0.6, not counting votes?

Have I gotten it correct so far? I know I am missing something, just not sure what. (The math doesn't add up) For instance, are there additional Rep Points for being a moderator or MVP, to give the system the initial weight for distribution? And the other point below, I could not figure out at all.

A) Number of ratings to display in the user's control panel = 5 > Not sure what this means - is this the number of vote comments that will be shown?

**mike** · #8 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wige

A user who joined (1 Rep Point) in 2004 (three years= 3 Rep Points) and has posted 2,000 posts (2 Rep Points) would then have 6 points and a RepRank of 0.6, not counting votes?

Correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wige

(A)re there additional Rep Points for being a moderator or MVP, to give the system the initial weight for distribution? And the other point below, I could not figure out at all.

Yes. MVP (when they are re-instated) will have additional rep score power - as do moderators and admins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wige

A) Number of ratings to display in the user's control panel = 5 > Not sure what this means - is this the number of vote comments that will be shown?

Yes, at that setting you will see the comments left by the last 5 people to rep you - -you will not however see their names. All rep scoring and commenting is anonymous.

Hope that helps...

-Mike

Ne0 · #9 (**permalink**) 05-29-2007, 05:33 PM

Really guys the easy way to look at rep points is as a social marketing plugin

For example...

If you read a really good post today and think to yourself "wow that was great, glad he/she posted that" just go to the top right hand corner of the post and click the

button and give them a positive Rep and you can even leave them a short message to say thanks!

Furthermore... if you consider WPW your home... and find spam or shameless self promotion or just don't like the subject matter... you can also give them negative rep...

it's basically a Thumbs up / Thumbs down system... which comes in handy for newbies to say... oh this person spews junk according to the red pips... or "oh this person gives good info"

The plain and simple explanation of it all is it's a pat on the back for good posts... and a thumbs down for bad posts... and EVERYONE can participate... not just mod's / admins / mvp's! It's giving the power to the people

.02

db

craigmn3 · #10 (**permalink**) 05-30-2007, 08:20 PM

I see the bleating of the sheep did little to move the heart of the shepherds
and now we have a rep system.....whoopee.

**mike** · #11 (**permalink**) 05-30-2007, 11:52 PM

There's only one shepherd and I can assure you he is completely heartless.

craigmn3 · #12 (**permalink**) 06-01-2007, 09:19 PM

Ahem.... Quote

Baaa

incrediblehelp · #13 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 08:52 PM

Is it just me or cant you give rep points to the same member in different threads? What is the deal with that?

**mike** · #14 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 10:57 AM

Daily Reputation Clicks Limit
How many reputation clicks can a user give over each 24 hour period. = 10 per day

Reputation User Spread
How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again. = 20

You're probably running into one of those rules. There isn't anything limiting reps per thread.

incrediblehelp · #15 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 03:11 PM

20 seems like a lot, for someone like me that comes in and cleans house all at once. You might consider letting mods rep when they want to.

FreeDesignQuote · #16 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 05:31 PM

I just found someone has given me a negative reputation point. Don’t know why, don’t know who left it. Is this the way you intended this program to work? How many people can I give negative reputations to a day? I post in the forums almost everyday since I came here. I know I am new and have had to adjust my posting to fit within the rules. This is a great place to exchange information and get advice, but I don’t want to be hassled by people leaving me negative feedback for no reason or because they just don’t like my post. I hope you are able to address my concern.

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craigmn3 · #17 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 09:07 PM

FreeWebDesign.....Welcome to the pariahdom of the negative rep. Apparently I earned my red badge of shame by disagreeing with the "heartless" shepherds". Suddenly a very useful tool in my life has become another source of rejection

Once this forum, was open for free discussion. Now free speach has a price, one I am not willing to pay. I knew this was the end of the usefullness of this board. It has become a fashion show now. I expressed an opinion outside the "favorable" view point, I paid the price.

I will try and vote you out of the red though Free

So long and thanks for all the fish

FreeDesignQuote · #18 (**permalink**) 06-06-2007, 09:29 AM

Craig—thanks for your support. I love this forum because of the wealth of knowledge everyone has. There is no possibly way for one person or firm to know everything so I get tons of advice and tips here. Yes, some of the advice is simply STUPID but that’s part of the game.

I was accused of self promotion, “He is whoring his company and website” is the comment left with the negative feedback. I assume its because I have a signature like everyone else, including the person who left negative feedback. I think the Forum God’s should monitor this reputation system a little more closely. I am an active poster and give as much feedback as possible. I have been involved in web design and SEO since 1998 so I have experience.

Look at Ebays reputation system. It actually holds weight, so negative feedback is only used in a severe instance. There isn’t much penalty here for negative feedback. I guess some folks have thin skin!

Thanks again for your support Craig. If there is anything I can do to help you, please let me know!
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**mike** · #19 (**permalink**) 06-06-2007, 09:54 PM

I don't see either of you with a negative rep at this point... so I'd say the system is working as intended. Isolated good reps or bad reps won't impact you either way in the long haul.

That's kind of the point.

FreeDesignQuote · #20 (**permalink**) 06-07-2007, 08:44 AM

The reason why I don’t have a negative reputation rank is because I have had positve “votes” so I am at 0! There needs to be some type of criteria to give negative points. The person who gave the negative feedback should be known, just like Ebay. Just my 2-cents.

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**mike** · #21 (**permalink**) 06-07-2007, 10:15 AM

The system is weighted against negative votes as it is. The system is designed to be more of a 'body of work' kind of thing. Isolated incidents of votes in either direction shouldn't have significant impact.

Yours is a good example. It took you a lot more votes to get a negative rating than it took positive votes to get you out of it.

One change I am considering on the system is further restricting it's use to more established members. In other words - raising the post count required to leave reputation scores.

Still evaluating things. So far it hasn't been much of a problem - for most people.

In your case, you got a few negative rep votes over your spammy post:

"One short form gets you up to 5 quotes from leading designers. No obligation to buy. Don’t waste time looking for designers and posting on message boards; let them come to you! Get the best price and design firm possible!

FreeDesignQuote.info
(link removed)"

So you spammed the board, got some negative feedback to let you know it wasn't appropriate and since then have recovered back to a 0 very easily -- all on an account with just 50 or so posts.

That tells me things are working just fine.

FreeDesignQuote · #22 (**permalink**) 06-07-2007, 10:49 AM

Mike you honestly have a good point. The post that was considered spam was in a forum where I felt it was an appropriate post. But that’s long gone now, no need to beat a dead horse.

I think your feedback system would be much better if you didn’t allow negative feedback until you were a member for X amount of time or had X amount of posts or BOTH! I also think the “unnecessary” negative feedback would be reduced if the person who left that feedback was associated with their username.

My questions …What is the purpose of this rep-rank system? When I read a comment or post, I look at the number of posts the person has made, researched their comments and posts before I determine that they are legit and know what they are talking about.

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**mike** · #23 (**permalink**) 06-07-2007, 10:55 AM

The purpose of the rep rank system is just another means by whic people can evaluate the veracity and reputation of a post/poster.

A high post count does not always mean that the poster is knowledgeable -- it just means they post a lot. Sure, you can research and spend time investigating the reputation of a poster by reviewing their past posts, how people reacted to them and what the general consensus was in the end -- etc, etc

But that takes a good amount of time and effort. The RepRank is just a little extra something to give you a quick picture about that person's reputation here. It's not the be all end all of anything. It isn't to say somebody should be ignored or have their words taken as law based on it -- it's just a tool.

incrediblehelp · #24 (**permalink**) 06-11-2007, 08:54 PM

Mike I am going through some old posts and seeing some bad advice. I want to negative rep these members but I am getting a message saying a comment must be left to leave negative rep. I have commented on all of these threads in the past. Any ideas? Do I need to comment the same day to leave rep? If so that is not good.

**mike** · #25 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 12:25 AM

If you leave a negative rep you have to say why when you do it. That's intentional.

incrediblehelp · #26 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

If you leave a negative rep you have to say why when you do it. That's intentional.

Huh? So I should post a post in the thread about why I don't like the memebers post. Then I can post negative rep that day in that thread? I guess so, but the post may seem mean or demeaning.

**mike** · #27 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 07:44 AM

you dont have to post in a thread to leave a rep score. I meant leave a comment on the rep score note, not in the thread itself. when you click the rep button, it asks you for a comment. negative scores require comments.

ctabuk · #28 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 08:55 AM

Jaan, going back into old posts and leaving a negative -that's not on -I'd be back to minus 30.
Seriously do them as and when you see a good or a really bad one. Don't go bone digging!

incrediblehelp · #29 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 06:00 PM

Mike I see that it requires comment, but it is just a flat prompt with nothing more than an OK button. Kind of like the one we get when we try to rep someone to many times.

No I am not digging. I am just talking about 3-4 days. Sometimes I cant get back to the forum everyday as you may see.

**wige** · #30 (**permalink**) 06-12-2007, 06:40 PM

The dialog should show the two button options (I approve/I disapprove) and then a text entry line titled "Your comments on this post"

megahertz28 · #31 (**permalink**) 06-25-2007, 08:11 PM

I'm sorry didn't have time to read every thread... Is this why my photo is no longer displayed next to my posts? A simple Y/N will suffice.
Thanks

incrediblehelp · #32 (**permalink**) 06-25-2007, 08:25 PM

No mega I think they need to re-add it after the re-design.

Post the request here:

http://www.webproworld.com/member-photos/

megahertz28 · #33 (**permalink**) 06-25-2007, 08:55 PM

Thanks Incrediblehelp, I think I'll add a different pic than the last one.

I think the Rep deal is a good idea. It will slowly & eventually weed the lawn if the whole community participates. Cudos.

dharrison · #34 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 06:57 PM

OK heres a question in the threads you've been credited/discredited for: If green's positive, reds negative whats grey?

Someones left me a grey in the hippy jobs thread and I don't know what it is. Is it a "don't really know" vote?

**mike** · #35 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 08:01 PM

Grey is no-rep. People can't 'leave' you a grey.

**wige** · #36 (**permalink**) 06-27-2007, 11:45 AM

Could it happen if the voter has no rep rank? If they have 0 points for their vote to convey, might that vote show up gray in the list of votes?

dharrison · #37 (**permalink**) 06-27-2007, 01:06 PM

I have no idea, but its "there".

**wige** · #38 (**permalink**) 06-27-2007, 05:42 PM

Where do you see the gray box, in the list of votes?

dharrison · #39 (**permalink**) 06-27-2007, 06:46 PM

On my User CP under Latest Reputation Received, I have a list of all the posts I've been "greened" for (they have little green tabs next to them) and the top one is Hippy jobs and the button next to that is grey.

It hasn't affected my score (thank god). I am just curious.

**wige** · #40 (**permalink**) 06-27-2007, 06:52 PM

I can only guess, but my guess is the voter had no rank to transfer to you by the vote. But again, just a guess.

**crankydave** · #41 (**permalink**) 06-28-2007, 12:48 PM

There is an admin setting for Minimum Reputation Count.

Users who fall below this setting cannot alter reputation but can leave comments. Grey box.

Dave

**mike** · #42 (**permalink**) 06-28-2007, 04:54 PM

Absolutely correct. If you have fewer than the minimum number of posts (currently set to 10 I think) required to have your ranking impact anyone's score --- it'll show as gray.

dharrison · #43 (**permalink**) 06-28-2007, 05:18 PM

Aha! So people can leave you a grey after all.

**crankydave** · #44 (**permalink**) 06-28-2007, 05:28 PM

Out of curiosity Mike, if you don't mind saying, what do you have the minimum reputation set at? Also, your original post in this thread indicates the minimum post count is 50.

Dave

**mike** · #45 (**permalink**) 06-28-2007, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dharrison

Aha! So people can leave you a grey after all.

Well, technically I guess you could say that. But grey is essentially 'no vote' so they don't really leave you anything -- except no doubt for a warm fuzzy feeling that no chiclet can measure.

**mike** · #46 (**permalink**) 06-28-2007, 11:05 PM

Dave,

Minimum Reputation Count =
How much reputation must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?
Value = 10

Default Reputation =
What reputation level shall new users receive upon registration?
Value = 1

Minimum Post Count =
How many posts must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?
Value = 50

**crankydave** · #47 (**permalink**) 06-29-2007, 10:04 AM

Thanx Mike.

The reason I asked was that I was not able to leave rep until just recently.

Dave

craigmn3 · #48 (**permalink**) 08-03-2007, 06:12 PM

Okay here's a gripe from the past.

Scrolling down all the lists of responders I see there is only one guy with a Kick A** reputation rating......and that's the guy who thought it up. Even Jaan (Incredible Help) only has a three and he has to be comsidered more helpful.
Now I realize this whole rating thing was not at all self serving, self engradizing or even ego stroking.....but it sure looks like it

sarpras · #49 (**permalink**) 12-15-2007, 05:33 AM

My reputation is very low. I want to increase my reputation. Please give me idea.

NetProwler · #50 (**permalink**) 03-05-2009, 05:15 AM

I am sorry if this is not the right place to post this. I just saw that my reputation has become red. I have never posted any self promotional message and it is apparent that someone who was not happy with my suggestion must have voted against me. Is there something I can do to redress the situation ?

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