This is a follow on to another topic of the thread at http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic...=364684#364684

What do want, think of it?

Vote above in the poll

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i honestly think many of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill... is this any different than receiving a account descriptor based on your post count?

second of all, many of you act like this system will be spammed by everyone. i'm sorry, but does this forum have a reputation of having nothing but malicious users? i don't think so. furthermore, do the admins here have a reputation of letting stuff slide and allowing posters to be harassed by others? i think we all know the answer to that as well.

it's funny, every time a service or company introduces another attribute, the first thing many of you run to is "it can be gamed or misused against other users" which is kinda sad.

not every internet forum user is trying to get over on everybody else.

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Hi Chris,

A poll like this gives anonimity for those that like their privacy.

As far as I am concerned the format of the forum and the way it is moderated and administered works fine as it is.

The original post asked forum members what there thoughts were. If you do not like the answers or the reaction then tough!!

This is what opinions are about, to find out what the majority would like or dislike, depending on the individuals point of view.


No not everybody, but there are some!!!

Keimos

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For what it's worth, I think you're going to find that most people don't care much one way or the other, but there is going to be a very small but very vocal minority that is going to make a big stink about it.

It's kind of like when Google makes a toolbar PR update. The only people who talk about it are the people who who don't like it and they think it's the end of the world. Everyone else is like, "So what?"

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and that's what we're here for.

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Keimos - Thanks for starting this new thread. I hope everyone reads the earlier thread before continuing.

Chris - Thanks for posting the re-direct link to this one and following up with it. I don't want to make too big an issue of this, and I've probably said enough and spent too much time on it already.

My opinion: I don't think it's a good idea and I agree with many of the arguments that people made against it, but what the heck - give it a try and see. It might turn out to be helpful; or people may just ignore it; or it may cause trouble. Guess you'll find out, and if it turns out to be a problem, I'm sure you'll hear about it, and you folks will fix it.

Just keep in mind when you are setting it up that it has the potential to become "personal" in a bad way, and has the potential to make people upset, so please try to design it with that in mind.

I think it's good that you are trying new things; keep up the great work that you do here at WPW.

Hi Chris,

Agreed,

Yours
Keimos

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Just voted after reading this thread and the previous thread..personally I like something like a MVP (most valuable poster) with a subtitle like
"MVP
SEM" (Search Engine Marketing) with some kinda of ranking given by the forums they post in or their expertise..but anyway I enjoy this forum especially for the tips so no matter what the outcome, I will keep coming back as long as learn or share!

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My concern is the potential incentive to create quantity rather than quality.

If more frequent posting increases visibility, and therefore more chance of getting a "vote", then some people will post just to be noticed, not because they have anything meaningful to say.

On the other hand, plenty of sites have contributor ranking systems of one kind or another, so presumably the benefits outweigh the risks.

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James Bull
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There is no incentive in this system to create quantity over quality.

People that try to game the system that way will more likely than not expose themselves to more negative feedback for having done so.

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This poll is yet another thing that can and obviously is being abused. Same members under different account names voting.

If this BS is instated, I'll be leaving. Not that anyone cares, but believe me many will follow. Craig said it well: "Overall impact....negative. You will lose many people, more important you will lose what makes this a useful site by intimidating responders and you'll have a glamour show on your hands. It's a bad move."

And I'll say this again, for this new thread:
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This is a HORRIBLE idea. Such a thing would only be abused, and result in "ratings gangs" the exact same way you see in the google forums. Whomever wants to implement this SURELY must know this would happen!! You cannot do anything like that at any forum because it would only be abused. "Buddy gangs" would give high ratings to their buddies regardless of content, and newbies or those that are not new, but just not known for a lot of posting would get bad ratings regardless of content. Anyone saying anything negative about SE would end up getting bad ratings, etc., etc. Then you'll have members with multiple accounts giving high ratings to their own posts, and more high ratings to their "buddies", and more negative posts to someone just because they disagree with them.

This would only exalt some to god-like status, and slam others to peon status in a continuation of the G index; widening the gap between the have's and have not's.

C'mon, think about it. Another Pandora's box we DO NOT need. Just leave (far better than) well enough alone, this would contaminate things mark my words. I've seen it happen all too many times. You need to look at the FUTURE repercussions.
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Members do not need to be intimated here. This is, WAS, an "emotionally free" and open posting forum with total freedom as far as whom is doing the posting WITHOUT any intimidation. You will be classifying all new members as "idiots" who "don't know what they are talking about" just because they are new, when they could be consummate experts in the field. They'll be afraid to post out of fear of persecution due to the ratings. They may have 50,000 posts at another forum, yet they come here and they are peons and "meaningless" thanks to some ridiculous erroneous rating system.

Then those with thousands of posts would be revered as "gospel", everything they say is "totally true, indisputable and perfect" only because they have a higher rating. You'll have a "pissing contest" between someone established here with tons of posts, and someone with only a few, and everyone will think the one with the few posts is an idiot or moron just because he/she is new here or only has x number of posts, when the newbie could be the one in the RIGHT with the CORRECT information. Yet it will NOT be seen that way thanks to some asinine voting system.

I'll say it again; any voting/rating system will be abused and end up hurting people. Haven't you ever heard of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"??

I think this is a move by the forum owners or mods to get rid of members that are here to learn and post infrequently, to try and "keep them quite" or shut them up; and to (like I said) exalt certain other members to god-like status. This is EXACTLY what would happen. That's why the mods are for it. To take a somewhat level playing field, and tilt it in their favor.

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I have been reading all of the comments on both threads and I still say go for it. I think this could be a good way to get the community to work together a bit more (which is why we are all here, yeah?)

As for abuse, well most of you are pretty vigilant of spotting any wrongdoing on the forums and Admin and (especially!) the mods are pretty sharp on tackling the culprits.

I have been looking around the many forums I visit and none of them have a system like this (obviously correct me if I am wrong!) so that should be another reason to go for it.

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Of course you do. And that doesn't surprise anyone coming from a mod. You guys would got the "top-notch" ratings due to "your buddy following", and brown-nosing from those trying to get "MVP" icons, custom avitars, and others would get screwed. Tell members what's fair about that?

No, that is wishful thinking. Sure, in an ideal world where everyone is always totally honest it may be slightly-better-than-a-disaster, but this is far from an ideal world. Quite the contrary; this would put members at each other's throats. If you think you have problems now....they will only get worse. The community here works together just fine as it is. Why screw with it? This BS would be thickening the line between "them" and "us" causing a DIVISIVE effect!

Why should members (or mods) have to take on another task?? I'm sure we all are busy enough. The fact that you mention it is an admission that abuse will indeed happen.

Oh C'mon! Just because other forums don't have it is certainly NOT a reason to do it! Ever think they are not doing it for a GOOD reason??! Perhaps it was tried and was met with nothing but complaints, abuse and lost members for the reasons I outlined in my prior post?

Any type of rating or voting system at forums will eventually only be met with negative repercussions in the long run.

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I take it from the dissection/assassination of everything I said Clint1, that you were one of the "No" voters?

I voiced my opinion (just like you voice yours on many an occasion) and that, as far as I am concerned is it. Don't belittle me for having a completely different opinion to you, because that's just sad.

And a friendly note for the record: Writing in bold, is classed as shouting, where anyone who knows me would know that I just turn off at that point anyway.

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Disagree. Bolding may be regarded as underlining, since an underline could be mixed with a link on the internet. Therefore some, like myself, prefer bolding to underlining.

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Hee hee. LOL. Indeed. :-D

No, I wasn't trying to do that, sorry if it came across that way. Yet you have to understand that your "opinion" is not just "an opinion" here. You are a mod and it's going to carry more weight than a member, and I correctly predicted the mods' responses to this question for some of the reasons I mentioned. It's just that for the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would want to introduce something like this to an already great forum. You've heard the expressions I'm sure: "If it ain't broke don't fix it" and "don't mess with a good thing".

You cannot look over all my points and say they are without merit and don't deserve far more than just "consideration" (if they even receive that, I don't know). Sit back, read them OBjectively and not subjectively, and you will see these negative points transpiring in a (as of now) hypothetical situation.

No, CAPS is shouting. ;-) Bold is another form of emphatic statement. Although I also sometimes use CAPS here for emphasis because many forums don't have any BBB or HTML code and I forget this forum does. (If I shout,
you'll know it ;-).

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-Clint

Given that I have access to the IP addresses of the voters I can say with some confidence that your contention is simply not true.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong I suppose. To each his own. Best of luck to you wherever you land.

Is this the same logic behind your contention that the Poll is corrupt. Your position is isn't winning -- so it must be a conspiracy, right? No doubt the "Poll Gangs" hard at work undermining your argument to further their own insidious agenda.

God-Like status? Peon status? Widening the gap between the have's and the have not's? Wow, does it cause cancer in some laboratory animals too? I think you're ascribing a little more weight to this thing than perhaps you should be.


Actually the number one thing I hear people say already is stuff like "I'd post more but I don't feel like I know enough to say anything". People are already afraid to post.

We don't have ratings, but we do have post counts and join dates. People look at that alone and ascribe a level of authority to a member based on those things - because they have nothing else to base their opinions on.

So when some yahoo with a 3 year old account and 1000+ posts makes some crazy post, new people look at the join date, they look at the post count and assume that person knows what they're talking about.

The reputation score will be one more indicator available to new people to provide some insight into that poster's history in the community - based on what the community thinks about his posts.

That is just flat out absurd and supported by nothing other than your own misguided conject