WebProWorld Reputation System - Page 2

Chris · #51 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hommealone

Chris -

My point is that Mike specifically and repeatedly asked people NOT to use this thread to post their opinions about this rating idea, and many may even be trying to respect his request (imagine that!) by not doing so.

But since Mike "let the cat out of the bag" about this rating thing - by starting this post - I think it's only right that he/you should now start a thread which A) explains it better, and B) does in fact ask for people's opinions about it (whether you like them or not.) Otherwise, it sounds like you're saying: "We are going to make this change to the forum, but we don't care what you think about it because we're going to do it regardless."

Now I know that you do in fact care about people's opinions about WPW, so all I am saying is to open this up to everyone's opinions. Even if you have decided already that you are going to implement this, you still may get valuable suggestions that help you figure out the details of how exactly you implement it. Isn't that what these forums are all about?

There is a new thread about this subject already...

pdstein · #52 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 04:47 PM

It really doesn't make much difference to me, but personally, I think there are two many different levels which makes it difficult to make much of a distinction between them.

urknighterrent · #53 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 05:18 PM

A splendid Idea. I'm glad you have finally figured out that I am far too stupid to judge a post on it's own merit.

Besides, here in America we have known all along that the majority is always right.

What this forum needs is a groupthink culture.

Everybody knows that the wisest decisions are always made from a position of anonnymity. Look how well the mob mentality has worked for mankind so far! The Crusades: Witch Trials: The Third Reich; all made possible because that pesky minority can be so easilly bullied into not rocking the boat. The link between greatness and Groupthink is undeniable histrorical fact.

It's high time that we here at web pro news embrace the simple truth that our popularity is the litmus test of our competance.

Google figured out years ago that the most popular sites are the best sites! And look how awsome their search results are! We can extend that to the assumption that the most popular people are the bestest smartest people! You KNOW it's true. Just ask any politician.

This whole SEM thing will be SO much easier when we can be just like Digg and let a tiny percentage of posters with nothing better take over and do our thinking for us.

I for one will have no choice but to stop being such a foul-mouthed opinionated old cuss and just go with the flow. I'll just have to start telling people what they want to hear instead of what it is. Won't that be a nice change of pace?

Kenny (-3)

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Just because everybody likes you it doesn't make you a good person. It just makes you a good politician.

craigmn3 · #54 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mjtaylor

Why would anyone care enough to leave? Anyone insecure or inexperienced enough to be intimidated should stay, lurk and build rep and confidence by asking questions and offering ideas.

Have you been reading this thread at all? People don't want to be part of a glory hunt. I come here for facts and information and to offer my opinion on topics. Many others do too. It's a bull session. It's people sitting around a b-b-q swapping ideas, tales and interests. No one I know is interested in building a rep or rubbing the salve of approval on their ego. Perhaps there are some who desire this. It seems by the posts that the great majority don't.

Refiner · #55 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 05:44 PM

in answer to mjtaylor... most of these appear to be the vbulletin defaults for those reputations...

I have no issue with this system as long as it has a set of guidelines and people follow those guidelines

~ limited number of times you can give rep in a day
~ period of time before you can give rep to same person again is long enough to prevent overinflated reputation
~ no promotions for rep giving *

* see powwows.com.. there is a reputation thread there that promotes the giving of reputation just by posting a reply (http://www.powwows.com/gathering/showthread.php?t=18322). I don't think that usage of the reputation mod in that manner is appropriate for WPW

kimber23 · #56 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 05:54 PM

woo freakin hoo!

i think it sounds cool...kinda like how seomoz points work. would be nice to have an incentive to build up points (rather than just the fancy title:)

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Originally Posted by mike

User has a reputation beyond repute

Like on seomoz, after you reach 100 your link gets the nofollow taken away in your profile (i know that wouldn't work here as we all have all our links in sigs already) or when you get 100 in one month you get a month of free access to premium membership.

something like that would be cool.

as far whether or not i have some meaningless title showing up next to my name in this forum...honestly, i could care less.

MarcThai · #57 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 06:12 PM

[quote="mike"]

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Originally Posted by DrTandem1

Just who decides these rankings? If it were some sort of independent voting system with checks and balances, sure. Otherwise, it's pointless. Anyone, could just spam your results with bogus "members," devaluing the entire site.
---SNIP---
The only visible impact this will have to anybody's account will be a tag in their user area. None of which will be 'Idiot -- please ignore'.

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Originally Posted by MarcThai

No thanks, Mike. You can take this rating and sh.... it!

Oh, come on... Tell me how you really feel about it.

I just went through this debate on another forum. The consensus was that a rating system would debase the forum and scare people away. Here were a couple of the points for:
1. It would give viewers a guide to quality -- Fallacious in the extreme. I come to WPW to read and learn, and even to be entertained at times. I don't need anyone else telling me what they like or don't like. I make my own decisions.
2. It would encourage better quality -- How? With a ratings system the unstated expectation would be that you have to write remarkable posts to get a good rating. Anything else would be a fail. I am too old to be graded like a little school boy thanks.
3. I can't honestly think of any other reasons why you might think a rating system would help.

As I said, if you do institute this system I won't be contributing any more. I don't contribute much now, but I do read almost every issue...no, I don't read it...I devour it. I have learned plenty here. But a rating system wouldn't influence my opinion of anyone's opinion in the least. With a rating system in place I would be very wary of any submission because I couldn't be sure it was written for the right reasons.

There is simply no sane reason why you would want to implement this. Stick to what you do best. Continue giving us a great forum and let us get on with the posts.

I hope this helps. Just keep doing the good work and let us post. The moderator has the last word, and that's as it should be. Delete the dross. Keep the rest and let us make up our own minds what is useful.

Dinghus · #58 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 06:25 PM

Okay, I will start the ratings. hmmmmm

Starting with Mike, it looks like you rate a -10. Sorry buddy. That rating system idea just knocked your right out the bottom.

Now moving along I'll rate me. Well, of COURSE my rating exceeds the limits of a 64 bit floating point number.

The rest are just ohhhhhh somewhere around 0.

Why? Cuz I said so.

:)

**mjtaylor** · #59 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by craigmn3

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Originally Posted by mjtaylor

Why would anyone care enough to leave? Anyone insecure or inexperienced enough to be intimidated should stay, lurk and build rep and confidence by asking questions and offering ideas.

Have you been reading this thread at all? People don't want to be part of a glory hunt. I come here for facts and information and to offer my opinion on topics. Many others do too. It's a bull session. It's people sitting around a b-b-q swapping ideas, tales and interests. No one I know is interested in building a rep or rubbing the salve of approval on their ego. Perhaps there are some who desire this. It seems by the posts that the great majority don't.

I didn't mean to offend you, and yes, I read the thread and I see some in favor, too ... and some who don't care - I also note that there is only one vote against out of the 8 people who cared enough to vote:
Vote Here!!! WebProWorld Reputation System ... two so far in actually *in favor* of it and the rest of us aren't bothered either way. Of course, the controversy is young yet ... but I am betting this doesn't make it into Most Popular Threads ...

I, too, come to learn and offer what I know, and I don't believe a rating will affect my experience one way or the other ...

MJ

urknighterrent · #60 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 07:25 PM

Funny thing about democracy.

I almost always find myself to be in the minority.

I almost always turn out to be right in the end.

DrTandem1 · #61 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 07:49 PM

How about these conditions?:

Only people requesting to be ranked/rated get a rating. Anyone can opt out of the scoring. I realize that will make a top-rating less "valuable," because only those wanting to play will be ranked. Also, anyone who has opted out of being rated can't rate anyone else.

Next, anyone labeled as a moderator or who has similar access to the forum will not be able to be ranked. Why? Because they are in a position of editing posts and closing topics. Therefore, they have an inherent conflict of interest.

Basically, I think people can judge the value of a post for themselves. Only those with fragile egos need their rating to be high to bolster a lack of substance with alleged popularity.

For the record, I opt out.

**mike** · #62 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 09:13 PM

Locking this one down...

Once again, this wasnt a request for approval or a request for philosophical discourse about the merits of an upcoming change. This was simply a request - for some ideas about how you'd like to see the various levels designated. It's abundantly clear at this point that isn't going to happen.

Whoever authored the poll, I'll leave you poll up until tomorrow at which point I'll certainly take a look at the totals. Will they change my mind? No. Incidentally, last i checked... nobody was voting on it but what few votes were there were 2:1 favoring people who simply didn't care...

If the changes to the forum aren't to your liking, I am sorry you feel that way. I do hope you give it a try rather than just assume horrible consequences, but yours is the gift of free will and if you so choose to bolt on evidence of change, then I wish you the best in your travels.

I have every expectation and confidence that the upcoming changes to the forum will have a positive impact on it's visibility, activity and ultimate longevity.

I have been admin here for many years and a member of this and other forums related to this industry for the better part of eight years now. I have probably spent more time thinking about forum dynamics in the past couple of years than most people do in a lifetime.

That said, trust me when I say, I am not changing the software powering this forum out of boredom or whim. If I didn't think it needed to be done, I wouldn't be doing it. It isn't exactly easy you know.

You're all WAAAY over reacting to a system you have no particulars about and (for whatever reason) assuming the worst case scenario in any implementation of anything new. Chill out, try it out and then make up your mind. Or don't -- completely up to you.

The switch to the new system will be done next weekend. New features and changes to existing features will then trickle in over the next week or so as we get settled in. There will be bugs and glitches and various things not workng as they're supposed to I expect - but with any luck these things will be minimal and short lived.

It's summertime (here). The sun is out, the kids are almost finished with school and it's time to have some fun. Screw a rollercoaster. We're moving a 60,000 member 300,000 post forum into a new database and scheme. It can't help but be a hoot. You'll hate yourself forever if you miss it.