Why WPW Should Not Discuss Google Toolbar PR Anymore

incrediblehelp · #1 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 10:34 PM

OK the headline was just to grab attention, but seriously folks. Why are we still talking about Google toolbar PR? This is just dumb and it really doesn't help WPW credibility in the SEM and SEO world one bit.

I am really starting to cringe at all these Google Toolbar PR threads that happen at WPW. I really try to contribute honest information that I can back up at anytime. Everyday more and more threads are being posted here everyday on Google Toolbar PR rising or failing. Google Toolbar PR mattering or not mattering. Who cares? Seriously? If WPW is ever going to legitimize itself in the world of SEM and SEO these types of threads need to stop.

OK lets be sensible, you cant ban these talks. Lots of times when Google Toolbar PR comes up it is slightly interesting, but not of late that is for sure. The honest question here and there by newbie's are going to happen every day and we should be here to field these questions properly or point them to the right thread explaining why Google Toolbar PR doesn't matter. But when we have long time posters asking about Google Toolbar PR updates, Google Toolbar PR values going up and down and how this relates to rankings, I shed a little tear for WPW credibility.

Google Toolbar PR is garbage and the more that we discuss it here the worse it is for WPW.

I really want this place to become a leader in communication and information for SEO, SEM and other topics. One of the great things about WPW and one of the biggest reasons I am here is now, is how open they are with members using links and the posting of information in threads.

My sick rant for the week. Now go ahead and yell at me as much as you want, but I think some of you will agree with me.

bj · #2 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 10:42 PM

Um, you realize, of course, that you just started a thread about Google toolbar PR. Considering what you said don't you think maybe it would have been wiser to follow your own advice?

Just a thought.

incrediblehelp · #3 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 10:51 PM

LOL, yes I agree BJ, kind of funny how that works. I just needed to rant that all. I dont think PR threads will stop, I am just tired of them that is all.

**Tubby** · #4 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 12:27 AM

NO You cannot do this ! - I just re-installed the Google bloody tool bar so I could see all the changes everyone is talking about

Please bear in mind my British Heritage (I am compelled to talk about the weather) I live in a part of the world where saying "Lovely weather we are having" get quizical looks. "Der . . you are in Queensland - did you expect it to snow today. . ."

Talking about useless subjects is a specialty of mine.

incrediblehelp · #5 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 12:41 AM

Hey I never un-installed it. I love watching it, like I love watching TV. Lots of entertainment from both!

Webnauts · #6 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

LOL, yes I agree BJ, kind of funny how that works. I just needed to rant that all. I dont think PR threads will stop, I am just tired of them that is all.

Hey Jaan if you are tired of them, do not contribute there man. It is very simple. Or? LOL

ctabuk · #7 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 05:16 AM

Well you would not expect ME to ignore this?
OK where's KGun?
If Jaan thinks WPW gets too many threads on PR then he should visit Warriors - great fun seeing all those guys posting 'PR5 in 3 Days, gee,am I cool or what'.
So glad that a fellow mod has had the courage to make this post. Because it means that we can use this thread for all incoming posts on this silly subject. So to all those new posters who will be reading this for years to come. PR is a 'gimmick' a con trick that has made Google Billions - The Wizzard of Oz is PR and the Yellow Brick Road is the path you follow if you are seeking high PR.

kgun · #8 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Well you would not expect ME to ignore this?
OK where's KGun?

I disagree to this. The Google toolbar indicator is about IBL's. It is up to Google to make it reliable. I know I posted about this in another thread, and it was meant serious. Instead the thread was very soon devaluated and finally closed, by the moderators. I was serious and had serious concerns about leaving this forum and are still thinking of it. During that discussion, I also saw that other members wanted me to leave. There are other forums that may be more valuable to me personally.

My questions:
1. How many nearly identical posts are posted related to SEO?
2. Other near identical posts.

It is very difficult to say how important the Google indicator is in the future. It is up to Google to devalue or revalue it.

Google pagerank is Google's measure of the importance of a page. Sorry, but I rely more on Google than on more or less selfproclaimed experts here at WPW.

I am 58 years old and have seen a lot of hidden agendas. That does not imply that ctabuk had a hidden agenda, since I think he like some other members are earnest when they say that the PR indicator is a gimmick. But I was earntest too, and knocked in the head. I did not like it.

Make a serious effort to double your pagerank from 4 to 8. You need a battery of tools and you may admint that after all kgun was (partly) correct. Take away the internet (links) and the toolbar disappears too.

Just after my post was closed, the starter of this thread made a related post. I also got an email about that subject.

This forum claims to be a professional global forum. How many moderators (MVP's) are there outside USA, UK, Germany, Canada and Australia? That is in my view a much more serious concern and related to global credibility. If that is WPW's rating of WPW members, I totally disagree. That rating is much worse than Googles little green light. Why not make WPW a forum for eBusiness professionals from English speaking countries?

ctabuk · #9 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 08:37 AM

I do not have any hidden agendas - frankly I enjoy watching people getting duped by Goooogy.
Try this "counciltenantsmortgages" - then times that by Yahoo, MSN, and all the other SE's - my PR is 4

bj · #10 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 10:06 AM

Hey, Jaan, does that mean I shouldn't be HAPPY that my PR jumped from 4 to 5 on my main page, my main blog page held steady at 6, and ALL my blog articles jumped up from 5 to 6??? ;-)

Oh well, guess I'll have to go find some other ego booster . . .

kgun, whatever's bothering you I don't understand it, but I, for one, would be sad if you disappeared off the forum. :-(

greeneagle · #11 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 10:27 AM

I am going to have to go with the other camp here Jaan.

I always try to gather significant changes into one thread where it is easier to glean where and what the GOOG is up to in their latest alg changes.

That is the best window we have to peer into proprietary skirkings.

Ken

incrediblehelp · #12 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 12:46 PM

Kgun I wouldn't not want you to go anywhere. The whole point of forums is to have enlightened discussion on topics. Just because you disagree with a lot of what I may say is not a bad thing. It is always good to be questioned on your thoughts. I am not embarrassed when someone proves me wrong, in fact I enjoy it. It is truly what we all are trying to get to here on WPW, the truth.

Now some comments:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

My questions:
1. How many nearly identical posts are posted related to SEO?
2. Other near identical posts.

Questions on SEO can not be compared to questions on PR. We all know what PR in the toolbar is. Nothing but entertainment. Google said this themselves. Doesn't everyone know this?

http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/...ead.php?t=3054

Quote:

"The PageRank that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is for
entertainment purposes only. Due to repeated attempts by hackers to
access this data, Google updates the PageRank data very infrequently
because is it not secure. On average, the PR that is displayed in the
Google Toolbar is several months old. If the toolbar is showing a PR of
zero, this is because the user is visiting a new URL that hasn't been
updated in the last update. The PR that is displayed by the Google
Toolbar is not the same PR that is used to rank the webpage results so
there is no need to be concerned if your PR is displayed as zero. If a
site is showing up in the search results, it doesn't not have a real PR
of zero, the Toolbar is just out of date"

As I have said the concept of PR internal at Google is far different that what is shown in the toolbar. The concept of PR internal at Google does make a difference in how your page is ranked. The toolbar and internal PR do not match, hence my feelings on the toolbar PR. It is crap and should not be given much thought. Everyone, expert and newbie alike, should understand the difference and that is why (Webnauts) I will not ignore Toolbar PR threads. I will do my job as a moderator and let everyone know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

Google pagerank is Google's measure of the importance of a page. Sorry, but I rely more on Google than on more or less selfproclaimed experts here at WPW.

No it is not and I will not let this out right lie perpetuate itself on this forum as long as I am WPW.

Lastly Kgun you do have a point for WPW to be more customized for other countries. I have asked for this before, but have heard little about it. I wish they would add UK, Canada, Spanish categories for SEO questions as well, but that is another thread to discuss.

Webnauts · #13 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 01:10 PM

I think I must agree with Kgun.

Is WPW turning out to an SEO forum for beginners?
Or for spammers like this one? http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic...=313679#313679

Or is it turning out to a strictly SEO evidence-base forum? And who provides these evidences? You Jaan?

I think Kgun is right. It is seriously getting boring now. Every time I want to post something, I must think twice or more times before I do that.

I guess I must move to somewhere else, where I can freely discuss and exchange my knowledge and experiences, and were are also welcome.

By the way Kgun, why was that thread you mentioned above closed?

greeneagle · #14 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 01:15 PM

I tried to be real simple here without "dobbing in the dirt"

I was relevant wasn't I?

Let me repeat myself:

Quote:

I always try to gather significant changes into one thread where it is easier to glean where and what the GOOG is up to in their latest alg changes.

That is the best window we have to peer into proprietary skirkings.

Check me! This is an "On-Topic" post is it not?

Ken
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incrediblehelp · #15 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Or is it turning out to a strictly SEO evidence-base forum? And who provides these evidences? You Jaan?

Hey if I post something as fact I would expect to back it up if I needed to. I would think everyone else here, especially moderators should be able to do the same. Speculating is great and fine, when it is labeled as such.

The problem is at WPW the Toolbar PR misinformation is running rampant and it needs to be clarified.

greeneagle · #16 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 01:57 PM

Boys and girls.

I think there is plenty of room for us to agree to disagree here, and if there isn't...

I'll park it in quarantine pretty soon.

For the life of me I can't figure out why everyone has their panties all tangled up in a wad here!

No one has yet to address my comment about it being one of the quickest and best assessment tools used to view the inner workings in a proprietary field of changes, when conglomerated!

What the hell is that about?

That is probably the most important differentiating issue right smack in the middle core of the subject here and no one wants to address it, because they are too busy trying to get their panties untangled!

Ken

Webnauts · #17 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Speculating is great and fine, when it is labeled as such.

Jaan, who is speculating?

Webnauts · #18 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

I am going to have to go with the other camp here Jaan.

I always try to gather significant changes into one thread where it is easier to glean where and what the GOOG is up to in their latest alg changes.

That is the best window we have to peer into proprietary skirkings.

Ken

I agree!

**mike** · #19 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

I am really starting to cringe at all these Google Toolbar PR threads that happen at WPW.

As mods, you guys can all move/merge threads as needed. Additioinally, non-mods have the ability to use the report post feature and suggest a thread be moved merged if they find one they feel is out of place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Everyday more and more threads are being posted here everyday on Google Toolbar PR rising or failing. Google Toolbar PR mattering or not mattering. Who cares? Seriously?

Apparently, lots of people care if there are so many threads popping up about it. If we have 50 threads on Toolbar PR mattering or not, perhaps they need to be merged?

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

If WPW is ever going to legitimize itself in the world of SEM and SEO these types of threads need to stop.

Wow, yeah, the first thing that pops in my head every morning and what I worry myself to sleep with every night is 'legitimizing' WPW. Even if it were indeed a fact that the discussion of toolbar (or anything else) wasn't what the 'cool' kids in SEO were talking about, it certainly doesn't mean that the community here isn't interested in the subject.

I have not, and do not intend to start, telling people they can't or shouldn't post about Google Toolbar in a forum that discusses Google and search engines. How much sense would that make exactly?

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

OK lets be sensible, you cant ban these talks. Lots of times when Google Toolbar PR comes up it is slightly interesting, but not of late that is for sure. The honest question here and there by newbie's are going to happen every day and we should be here to field these questions properly or point them to the right thread explaining why Google Toolbar PR doesn't matter. But when we have long time posters asking about Google Toolbar PR updates, Google Toolbar PR values going up and down and how this relates to rankings, I shed a little tear for WPW credibility.

So, let me make sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you actually suggesting that if I have a WPW member who has been attending this forum for the past 4 years, and they ask a question about Google Toolbar PR or, hell, the meta keywords tag... that is somehow something WPW (or I) should be ashamed of?

I don't think so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Google Toolbar PR is garbage and the more that we discuss it here the worse it is for WPW.

I have actually posted many many times what I think about Google Toolbar PR. That is certainly not to say I am going to begrudge someone else a different opinion nor will I belittle or think less of someone's qualifications for asking a question about it in the future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

I really want this place to become a leader in communication and information for SEO, SEM and other topics. One of the great things about WPW and one of the biggest reasons I am here is now, is how open they are with members using links and the posting of information in threads.

You applaud openness and yet your post is advocating we mitigate that very aspect of the community. So we should be open, but selectively open depending on whether or not the 'other SEO people' will approve of the subject matter?

I think not.

greeneagle · #20 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 04:08 PM

Right Smack Back on Topic Here:

Some may view it differently, but when we can connect common experience, especially in a deluge after the gods cast their votes... we need to know why they voted that way.

Channeling or conglomerating experiences in any PR or algorithmic change makes it easier to spot trends, revealing inner workings of the SE's.

That is an extremely valuable exercise for us all - IMO, or it can be.

We all take what we want from it though, in the end.

Ken

Webnauts · #21 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Hey if I post something as fact I would expect to back it up if I needed to. I would think everyone else here, especially moderators should be able to do the same. Speculating is great and fine, when it is labeled as such.
The problem is at WPW the Toolbar PR misinformation is running rampant and it needs to be clarified.

Well then come back to my thread http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=65305 and tell some facts and not just speculate there. :)

And I don't agree that that only happens at WPW. There are very well known SEO professionals forums, who do the same.

I am just asking myself, why are you so allergic towards the green tool bar? Do you know that it is a very interesting issue for me and my research about search engines?

Do you know that I learned through the recent update some very significant stuff about SEO? Not about the PR toolbar values, rather about positioning in the Search Engines? Some serious factors I have not recognized for our site SEO? Sorry man.

Posed otherwise, it is also fun. Seeing the results from optimizating for humans and not machines. And the best: being more credible not only from machines, but from humans too.

Besides search engines are getting more and more intelligent, in recognizing such issues. See for example the accessibility and usability evaluation tools. They can test to a certain degree if a site is for humans:

- Perceivable
- Operable
- Understandable
- Robust

Maybe they can not provide 100% results, as the search engines can't either. But they achieve a degree which is very helpful and cost-saving, and intersting to observe.

We at Webnauts Net are at present consulting a U.S. State University for the usability of an under development tool of that nature. So there is much more behind the whole thing.

By the way, could it be that you had some negative green toolbar changes, and that is why you are so fixed against it. I just can't think of some else man. Sorry.

I think we should ask what the admins think about this issue. I think if we quit these PR and what ever else topics, WPW might have a loss of traffic and maybe also very valuable members here. And to be honest, maybe myself too. At the moment I am affraid to express my opinion about some issues here.

I am here to help everyone where I can. But I am not in a mood to hang all the time around in discussions about SEO for beginners for example.

Ken, if you want, you can move the thread to the garbage can if you want. I am done so far.

Or does someone want to add something here?

greeneagle · #22 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 04:28 PM

I am moving it to the "garbage can" since we can't seem to agree to disagree. If anyone has a problem with me locking it PM me.

Ken

Chris · #23 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 04:40 PM

Mike did an good job of breaking down Jaan's post, which seemed to be taking on a life of it's own...

as for the topic, yes PR score on the Google toolbar is pretty much meaningless, except for entertainment value. HOWEVER,,, because we are not privy to the actual PageRank score, that's all many of us have to go on. while the green bar may very well be inaccurate, the score does increase and decrease (and these seem to coincide with acknowledged PR updates).

because of that, i can see why people still follow the green bar. if it just sat there without ever changing, i would completely understand Jaan's point.

as for kgun, i'm sorry if you feel like WPW only caters to the English speaking among us, however, I would ask you to look at the make-up of webmasterworld and all of the other popular SEO-related forums. they are all english speaking too. i don't believe they are playing favorites and neither are we. our MVPs are all-inclusive and if you look at them, you'll see it's given to those who have been helpful contributors.

and Webnauts, i'm not sure why you don't feel you can share your ideas here. it may have been a couple of threads, especially the W3C/Google discussion, that made you feel this way and perhaps the crowd was a little unruly, but most discussions having stout opposing opinions usually are (kinda like this discussion here). as for the spam issue, i'd like to know one forum that doesn't have to deal with it's share of spammers. this is the nature of dealing with forums like WPW.

frogmanandy · #24 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 04:45 PM

Why lock it now? It is just getting interesting lol

But what is a skirking????

Webnauts · #25 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

and Webnauts, i'm not sure why you don't feel you can share your ideas here. it may have been a couple of threads, especially the W3C/Google discussion, that made you feel this way and perhaps the crowd was a little unruly, but most discussions having stout opposing opinions usually are (kinda like this discussion here). as for the spam issue, i'd like to know one forum that doesn't have to deal with it's share of spammers. this are the nature of dealing with forums like WPW.

Don't get me wrong Chris, but its is a fact that I had that experience in more threads than only one, which you have mentioned.

Anyway, after yours and Mikes intervention here, I think it is worth to go on after all. And about that HTML issue, I can PM you an interesting link. Not here though, while if I do so, this thread will need to re-validated by yourself and Mike too. LOL

Thanks man. WPW rules!

greeneagle · #26 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 05:04 PM

frogmanandy,

It is not going to be locked right now, they caught me right before I went there and removed privileges.

It's probably good they did, because I think with all the PMs and everything flying behind the scenes we are all going to come to a middle ground here and agree to disagree at best.

"skirking" is a slang southern term for sliding around just under the surface, undetected by everyday observance.

I was just pointing out that any advantage we can pry open to the SE's proprietary workings, help us all.

Ken

Webnauts · #27 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 05:07 PM

Ken you rule. But the Google green toolbar too! LOL

greeneagle · #28 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 05:15 PM

That damned green bar is a problem isn't it?

Back on topic though:

Let's all agree that we utilize the tools that come available when they do to best fit our own interpretations, without having to usurp our views over anyone elses in the process. Surely we are all privilaged to our own interpretations here!

Can I hear an "Amen", from anyone?

LOL

Ken

Webnauts · #29 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

That damned green bar is a problem isn't it?
Back on topic though:
Can I hear an "Amen"?
LOL
Ken

Ok, on topic: AMEN. LOL

bj · #30 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 05:57 PM

One more comment to a couple folks who feel like they've been "slammed". If I decided to leave WPW every time my opinion was slammed on this messageboard I would have been outta here probably close to 100 times already . . .

And Ken? Amen, bro, and hallelujiah!

greeneagle · #31 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 06:10 PM

Thanks bj,

You are a great contributor here and quite honestly, I respect your opinion and read your posts with anticipation.

Ken

bj · #32 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 08:40 PM

Thanks, Ken! It is nice to be appreciated.

Quite frankly, ever since I threw out my TV years ago I find that I don't think the same way as most folks (or at least not most folks in the US!) so I've come to expect having a difference of opinion since mine never reflects anyone's but my own. ;-)

scanmonkey · #33 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

I am really starting to cringe at all these Google Toolbar PR threads that happen at WPW.

As mods, you guys can all move/merge threads as needed. Additioinally, non-mods have the ability to use the report post feature and suggest a thread be moved merged if they find one they feel is out of place.

I would like to see that happen. There's too many threads asking the same questions about PR and moving/merging the threads seems to me a good solution.

scanmonkey · #34 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

I think there is plenty of room for us to agree to disagree here, and if there isn't...

I'll park it in quarantine pretty soon.

For the life of me I can't figure out why everyone has their panties all tangled up in a wad here!

No one has yet to address my comment about it being one of the quickest and best assessment tools used to view the inner workings in a proprietary field of changes, when conglomerated!

What the hell is that about?

That is probably the most important differentiating issue right smack in the middle core of the subject here and no one wants to address it, because they are too busy trying to get their panties untangled!

Ken

We're all grown men. My opinion is that arguments shouldn't be taken personally.

On the undergarments, I have a strict "don't ask, don't tell policy."

**Tubby** · #35 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 10:27 PM

bj, Quote
"I threw out my TV years ago"

SNAP!

ctabuk · #36 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webnauts

I think I must agree with Kgun.

Is WPW turning out to an SEO forum for beginners?
Or for spammers like this one? http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic...=313679#313679

Or is it turning out to a strictly SEO evidence-base forum? And who provides these evidences? You Jaan?

I think Kgun is right. It is seriously getting boring now. Every time I want to post something, I must think twice or more times before I do that.

I guess I must move to somewhere else, where I can freely discuss and exchange my knowledge and experiences, and were are also welcome.

By the way Kgun, why was that thread you mentioned above closed?

Because I locked it - I had asked repeatedly for simple answers to simple questions. At least Jaan always quantifies his statements with 'facts' as opposed to hypothetical theories. I sincerely hope that one day someone will prove those of us who believe PR to be a gimmick wrong, but until that time arrives keep researching then provide us with facts as opposed to beliefs.

**Tubby** · #37 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 06:19 AM

It is a little bit like a religion isn't it. We have PR believers and PR non believers. . . Fortunately I am what can be described as a "Free-baller" so no chance of my knickers twisting..

ctabuk · #38 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 06:26 AM

Unlike me to double post but I have had an idea which I will air here and see how it goes.

If the Search Engines had a 'report site facility'just the same as we mods get here in WPW then surely we would start to see sites listed on true Page Content. Let me show you one example www.proviser.com is a huge site - and it is 'spammed beyond belief' virtually every page title is crammed with multi layering of keywords, correctly spelt - misspelt - etc etc. BUT - it has massive links and Google loves it,just like wiki it's on page one of many of my search terms 'Right to Buy' is a classic example. Now if we had the opportunity to tell Google or any SE that it had sites with 1 Illegal Content 2 incorrect information 3 Out of date Information etc etc - Then maybe TRUE PR as opposed to a silly green line designed for the less enlightened would have some meaning.
It is no good us Mods and MVP's rabbit on about getting links to your sites, doing new content etc etc if we are not allowed to voice our opinions on what does get listed and where. And as for those who 'threatened'to leave WPW because they were not getting the replies that THEY wanted to see. I have two words Grow Up.

kgun · #39 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctabuk

And as for those who 'threatened'to leave WPW because they were not getting the replies that THEY wanted to see. I have two words Grow Up.

Some Swedes say that Norway is the last Soviet state. I do not want to enter a new one moderated by ctabuk :-)

Serious: I remember my job and an OECD meeting in Paris, that was managed by an Englishman and a Frenchman. They were excellent. They did not ask, do you have any more questions. Especially the Englishman asked each person around the table. Do you have a comment or remark?

Real disagreement and discussion is very important. Dead fishes follow the stream.

So ctabuk, grow up to the standards of your fellow countryman in Paris :-)

ctabuk · #40 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 07:05 AM

Stick on topic - I have not moderated your comments - I will leave them up so that people can view and draw their own conclusions. Now please stay on topic.

kgun · #41 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 07:54 AM

Exellent Sir, the problem is that you killed my thread. You can PM me if you have additional arguments.

ctabuk · #42 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

Exellent Sir, the problem is that you killed my thread.

Oh Kgun, it's David or ctabuk not Sir.
You are off topic again, I did not 'kill' your thread You did. If you are asked straightforward questions then you should not reply in riddles.

So as to 'quotes' re-open your thread I will ask you one more time.

Do you think that the green line PR Guide in the Google Toolbar affects your SERP? If so how?

kgun · #43 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:08 AM

Was that the topic of that thread?

ctabuk · #44 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:25 AM

I'm going purely on memory as that thread was locked and it must have been deleted as I cannot find it, if you know where it is - post it.
Now, do you have an opinion on my question please?

kgun · #45 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctabuk

So as to 'quotes' re-open your thread I will ask you one more time.

Do you think that the green line PR Guide in the Google Toolbar affects your SERP? If so how?

Nevertheless, I can give a hint to your question.

The green light indicates, regardless of what is said, the importance of a site. For n persons the green indicator has a meaning and the higher it is, the more important it is. Then there may be a propensity for webmasters to link, with foccused anchor text, to pages the higher the indicator is. Some of these web pages increase their SERP rankings.

If that is valid for at least one web page, I have given a proof. Do you think it is valid for at least one web page?

cyanide · #46 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

OK the headline was just to grab attention, but seriously folks. Why are we still talking about Google toolbar PR? This is just dumb and it really doesn't help WPW credibility in the SEM and SEO world one bit.

On the subject of the pr toolbar, I uninstalled it over a year ago... :)

I think one of the reasons why we get so many of these types of questions, is the massive mis-information and out-dated information that is constantly floating around.

Maybe we need to put some kind of sticky thread that outlines the true/false statements, as well as myths. That way, we can just link to it

kgun · #47 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ctabuk

I'm going purely on memory as that thread was locked and it must have been deleted as I cannot find it, if you know where it is - post it.
Now, do you have an opinion on my question please?

The link is in my first post in this thread.

ctabuk · #48 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:37 AM

www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=64869

To save people time, in KGuns last post in this now locked thread he states that he will make no further comment. Well as he had refused to answer the question I had little choice.

So KGun we have an answer, so I'm off to think it over and post back

kgun · #49 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:43 AM

Yes, no further comment to your question in that thread, since that was in my (the thread owners) opinion not the topic of the thread.

And I have given a hint to your question above.

Even if the green indicator is a joke, comparable to the concept of pigeon rank, the proof is still valid if it is not a joke to n webmasters.

Why should I worry about the green indicator if it has real meaning? Why should I prefer to link to a forex related site with pagerank 10 compared to one with pagerank 2? Why should I use as much time to check the pagerank 10 site as thorougly as the pagerank 2 site?

Pagerank 10 indicates that other people have voted for the site. Though, read my post about trustrank on my blog that you find in my signature.

ctabuk · #50 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 09:02 AM

It is now fairly obvious to everyone that you have opions on PR which I do not share and that I never will. You have been given quote after quote saying things like 'my site has no links but's it got a PR2'Yet you are dogmatic and refuse to understand that Google set it up for entertainment value only. So I'll tell you what I'll do. Let you go your way and I'll go mine.

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