Why WPW Should Not Discuss Google Toolbar PR Anymore

**incrediblehelp** · #1 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 10:34 PM

OK the headline was just to grab attention, but seriously folks. Why are we still talking about Google toolbar PR? This is just dumb and it really doesn't help WPW credibility in the SEM and SEO world one bit.

I am really starting to cringe at all these Google Toolbar PR threads that happen at WPW. I really try to contribute honest information that I can back up at anytime. Everyday more and more threads are being posted here everyday on Google Toolbar PR rising or failing. Google Toolbar PR mattering or not mattering. Who cares? Seriously? If WPW is ever going to legitimize itself in the world of SEM and SEO these types of threads need to stop.

OK lets be sensible, you cant ban these talks. Lots of times when Google Toolbar PR comes up it is slightly interesting, but not of late that is for sure. The honest question here and there by newbie's are going to happen every day and we should be here to field these questions properly or point them to the right thread explaining why Google Toolbar PR doesn't matter. But when we have long time posters asking about Google Toolbar PR updates, Google Toolbar PR values going up and down and how this relates to rankings, I shed a little tear for WPW credibility.

Google Toolbar PR is garbage and the more that we discuss it here the worse it is for WPW.

I really want this place to become a leader in communication and information for SEO, SEM and other topics. One of the great things about WPW and one of the biggest reasons I am here is now, is how open they are with members using links and the posting of information in threads.

My sick rant for the week. Now go ahead and yell at me as much as you want, but I think some of you will agree with me.

bj · #2 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 10:42 PM

Um, you realize, of course, that you just started a thread about Google toolbar PR. Considering what you said don't you think maybe it would have been wiser to follow your own advice?

Just a thought.

**incrediblehelp** · #3 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 10:51 PM

LOL, yes I agree BJ, kind of funny how that works. I just needed to rant that all. I dont think PR threads will stop, I am just tired of them that is all.

Tubby · #4 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 12:27 AM

NO You cannot do this ! - I just re-installed the Google bloody tool bar so I could see all the changes everyone is talking about

Please bear in mind my British Heritage (I am compelled to talk about the weather) I live in a part of the world where saying "Lovely weather we are having" get quizical looks. "Der . . you are in Queensland - did you expect it to snow today. . ."

Talking about useless subjects is a specialty of mine.

**incrediblehelp** · #5 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 12:41 AM

Hey I never un-installed it. I love watching it, like I love watching TV. Lots of entertainment from both!

Webnauts · #6 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

LOL, yes I agree BJ, kind of funny how that works. I just needed to rant that all. I dont think PR threads will stop, I am just tired of them that is all.

Hey Jaan if you are tired of them, do not contribute there man. It is very simple. Or? LOL

**ctabuk** · #7 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 05:16 AM

Well you would not expect ME to ignore this?
OK where's KGun?
If Jaan thinks WPW gets too many threads on PR then he should visit Warriors - great fun seeing all those guys posting 'PR5 in 3 Days, gee,am I cool or what'.
So glad that a fellow mod has had the courage to make this post. Because it means that we can use this thread for all incoming posts on this silly subject. So to all those new posters who will be reading this for years to come. PR is a 'gimmick' a con trick that has made Google Billions - The Wizzard of Oz is PR and the Yellow Brick Road is the path you follow if you are seeking high PR.

kgun · #8 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ctabuk

Well you would not expect ME to ignore this?
OK where's KGun?

I disagree to this. The Google toolbar indicator is about IBL's. It is up to Google to make it reliable. I know I posted about this in another thread, and it was meant serious. Instead the thread was very soon devaluated and finally closed, by the moderators. I was serious and had serious concerns about leaving this forum and are still thinking of it. During that discussion, I also saw that other members wanted me to leave. There are other forums that may be more valuable to me personally.

My questions:
1. How many nearly identical posts are posted related to SEO?
2. Other near identical posts.

It is very difficult to say how important the Google indicator is in the future. It is up to Google to devalue or revalue it.

Google pagerank is Google's measure of the importance of a page. Sorry, but I rely more on Google than on more or less selfproclaimed experts here at WPW.

I am 58 years old and have seen a lot of hidden agendas. That does not imply that ctabuk had a hidden agenda, since I think he like some other members are earnest when they say that the PR indicator is a gimmick. But I was earntest too, and knocked in the head. I did not like it.

Make a serious effort to double your pagerank from 4 to 8. You need a battery of tools and you may admint that after all kgun was (partly) correct. Take away the internet (links) and the toolbar disappears too.

Just after my post was closed, the starter of this thread made a related post. I also got an email about that subject.

This forum claims to be a professional global forum. How many moderators (MVP's) are there outside USA, UK, Germany, Canada and Australia? That is in my view a much more serious concern and related to global credibility. If that is WPW's rating of WPW members, I totally disagree. That rating is much worse than Googles little green light. Why not make WPW a forum for eBusiness professionals from English speaking countries?

**ctabuk** · #9 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 08:37 AM

I do not have any hidden agendas - frankly I enjoy watching people getting duped by Goooogy.
Try this "counciltenantsmortgages" - then times that by Yahoo, MSN, and all the other SE's - my PR is 4

bj · #10 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 10:06 AM

Hey, Jaan, does that mean I shouldn't be HAPPY that my PR jumped from 4 to 5 on my main page, my main blog page held steady at 6, and ALL my blog articles jumped up from 5 to 6??? ;-)

Oh well, guess I'll have to go find some other ego booster . . .

kgun, whatever's bothering you I don't understand it, but I, for one, would be sad if you disappeared off the forum. :-(

greeneagle · #11 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 10:27 AM

I am going to have to go with the other camp here Jaan.

I always try to gather significant changes into one thread where it is easier to glean where and what the GOOG is up to in their latest alg changes.

That is the best window we have to peer into proprietary skirkings.

Ken

**incrediblehelp** · #12 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 12:46 PM

Kgun I wouldn't not want you to go anywhere. The whole point of forums is to have enlightened discussion on topics. Just because you disagree with a lot of what I may say is not a bad thing. It is always good to be questioned on your thoughts. I am not embarrassed when someone proves me wrong, in fact I enjoy it. It is truly what we all are trying to get to here on WPW, the truth.

Now some comments:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

My questions:
1. How many nearly identical posts are posted related to SEO?
2. Other near identical posts.

Questions on SEO can not be compared to questions on PR. We all know what PR in the toolbar is. Nothing but entertainment. Google said this themselves. Doesn't everyone know this?

http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/...ead.php?t=3054

Quote:

"The PageRank that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is for
entertainment purposes only. Due to repeated attempts by hackers to
access this data, Google updates the PageRank data very infrequently
because is it not secure. On average, the PR that is displayed in the
Google Toolbar is several months old. If the toolbar is showing a PR of
zero, this is because the user is visiting a new URL that hasn't been
updated in the last update. The PR that is displayed by the Google
Toolbar is not the same PR that is used to rank the webpage results so
there is no need to be concerned if your PR is displayed as zero. If a
site is showing up in the search results, it doesn't not have a real PR
of zero, the Toolbar is just out of date"

As I have said the concept of PR internal at Google is far different that what is shown in the toolbar. The concept of PR internal at Google does make a difference in how your page is ranked. The toolbar and internal PR do not match, hence my feelings on the toolbar PR. It is crap and should not be given much thought. Everyone, expert and newbie alike, should understand the difference and that is why (Webnauts) I will not ignore Toolbar PR threads. I will do my job as a moderator and let everyone know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

Google pagerank is Google's measure of the importance of a page. Sorry, but I rely more on Google than on more or less selfproclaimed experts here at WPW.

No it is not and I will not let this out right lie perpetuate itself on this forum as long as I am WPW.

Lastly Kgun you do have a point for WPW to be more customized for other countries. I have asked for this before, but have heard little about it. I wish they would add UK, Canada, Spanish categories for SEO questions as well, but that is another thread to discuss.

Webnauts · #13 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 01:10 PM

I think I must agree with Kgun.

Is WPW turning out to an SEO forum for beginners?
Or for spammers like this one? http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic...=313679#313679

Or is it turning out to a strictly SEO evidence-base forum? And who provides these evidences? You Jaan?

I think Kgun is right. It is seriously getting boring now. Every time I want to post something, I must think twice or more times before I do that.

I guess I must move to somewhere else, where I can freely discuss and exchange my knowledge and experiences, and were are also welcome.

By the way Kgun, why was that thread you mentioned above closed?

greeneagle · #14 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 01:15 PM

I tried to be real simple here without "dobbing in the dirt"

I was relevant wasn't I?

Let me repeat myself:

Quote:

I always try to gather significant changes into one thread where it is easier to glean where and what the GOOG is up to in their latest alg changes.

That is the best window we have to peer into proprietary skirkings.

Check me! This is an "On-Topic" post is it not?

Ken
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**incrediblehelp** · #15 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Or is it turning out to a strictly SEO evidence-base forum? And who provides these evidences? You Jaan?

Hey if I post something as fact I would expect to back it up if I needed to. I would think everyone else here, especially moderators should be able to do the same. Speculating is great and fine, when it is labeled as such.

The problem is at WPW the Toolbar PR misinformation is running rampant and it needs to be clarified.

greeneagle · #16 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 01:57 PM

Boys and girls.

I think there is plenty of room for us to agree to disagree here, and if there isn't...

I'll park it in quarantine pretty soon.

For the life of me I can't figure out why everyone has their panties all tangled up in a wad here!

No one has yet to address my comment about it being one of the quickest and best assessment tools used to view the inner workings in a proprietary field of changes, when conglomerated!

What the hell is that about?

That is probably the most important differentiating issue right smack in the middle core of the subject here and no one wants to address it, because they are too busy trying to get their panties untangled!

Ken

Webnauts · #17 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Speculating is great and fine, when it is labeled as such.

Jaan, who is speculating?

Webnauts · #18 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

I am going to have to go with the other camp here Jaan.

I always try to gather significant changes into one thread where it is easier to glean where and what the GOOG is up to in their latest alg changes.

That is the best window we have to peer into proprietary skirkings.

Ken

I agree!