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10-11-2004, 11:44 PM
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I Can't Edit My Posts
For some reason today I haven't been able to edit my posts. Is this permament or will it come back?
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10-12-2004, 03:39 AM
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Post editing has been temporarily suspended. It will be reinstated soon. The ability to edit posts will be tied to your member rank in some capacity. the details aren't final yet and I will post them as soon as they are available.
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10-13-2004, 01:23 AM
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Yeah... What mikmik said...
I mkae msaiteks and if I can't edit,well it can be ebramrasnisg... I have had to double post when an edit would suffice. I quess if you can sleep at night with this on your shoulders then you are a bigger man than me! |
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10-13-2004, 10:38 AM
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Wlel, lcukliy it deosn't mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rest can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
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10-13-2004, 11:13 AM
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Mispellings are not the only reason to edit. Many of us find ourselves challenged in engagement and may want to modify a view before it has ever been respnded to for reader clarification.
This has been important to me in the past and without that capability, I will be much more hesitant posting in the future. I don't know of another forum that grants edit capabilities at different levels. Why not just make multiple post deletes, say more than 5-10 or more a violation punishable by being banned. There is no reason to punish everyone because of one member's action! Why isn't it that simple? Ken |
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10-13-2004, 11:14 AM
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Sorry about that I meant "responded" there, wish I could have edited the mistake before you read it.
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10-13-2004, 11:19 AM
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See what happens whe you get engaged in a "heated" topic that invokes passion:
I screwed up this statement too: "Why not just make multiple post deletes, say more than 5-10 or more a violation punishable by being banned." Let me correct it: "Why not just make multiple post deletes a violation punishable by being banned. Ken |
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10-13-2004, 11:26 AM
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I isn't that simple for a number of reasons. First, to use the example of mass post deletion I wouldn't necessarily know such a deletion was happening until it was already done. At that point, there's nothing to be done.
Second, there is really no need to worry about this. The edit ability will be back in the next day or two and you'll meet the requirements to have it. The ability to edit posts is going to be reserved for those members that can be trusted with that ability. Plain and simple. It would actually be just dumb bad policy to leave the forum vulnerable to something as damaging as a mass delete. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I have been a member of forums from major companies that instituted this same type of policy, we are certainly not the first.
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10-13-2004, 11:30 AM
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And as for banning as a solution, that wouldn't bring back any of the content erased. Sure you can ban, but I'm still left with a couple hundred thousand links pointing to a deleted post... Banning doesn't address the problem, it's only a reaction to the problem.
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10-13-2004, 11:30 AM
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The point being:
The contributors you want are going to abide by your agreement. If not you don't need them anyway. That is not deterrent enough? Ken |
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10-13-2004, 11:34 AM
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No, it isn't.
Again, banning people that do it, doesn't keep me from looking like a fool when a WebProNews has been emailed to 800,000 people with a link to a post that they have edited and replaced with a nursery rhyme.
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10-13-2004, 11:36 AM
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The requirements to have edit ability aren't going to be super tough, most people will meet them. Those that abuse, will lose edit abiltity.
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10-13-2004, 11:41 AM
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Admittedly, that is a difficult scenario, but I hope you see the value of this tool for strong contributors that want to clarify positions on second thought and/or self review. I simply could not function here without it.
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10-13-2004, 11:46 AM
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It isn't being done away with, just having some level of qualification and control added.
I have all my criteria pretty well finalized, now it's just a matter of some MySQL surgery and this will be all fixed up. I hope to have it done today, but it should be no later than tomorrow with Friday being the absolute latest (in case the surgery goes awry).
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10-13-2004, 12:07 PM
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Mike,
I hope you didn't mind the "devil's advocate. I hope Mr. "Beauty" gets it. But then again, maybe no one knew the mail list was 800K. Thanks, Ken (greeneagle) |
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10-13-2004, 12:17 PM
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I edit probably 50% of my posts after I hit submit. If I couldn't edit my posts I would have stopped participating here long before my 200th post.
I think you should at least allow members with <200 posts to edit their posts for 60 minutes after they have posted it or until someone replies. Most of the editing I do is within a few minutes of posting. For some reason I can't see my mistakes with the preview button. Joe |
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10-13-2004, 12:19 PM
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Personally I am surprised that the Mods didnt kick up about the edit button being removed. In times of heated debate the ability to ask a member nicely to edit their post quite often avoided a full out war of words. All the Admin contact variations that are supplied are nothing, compared with being there at the time caretaking 'your' boards and being able to ask members to control their arguements. Very often these flares up always happen when the Mod of the forum isnt available, and Admin are unavailable.
But then, I suppose you would have to know the history of the forum disputes to take that into account. While you bring up a valid point about one idiot, and the possiblity of a newsletter item pointing to a thread that contains a nursery rhyme. As a reader, I would much rather read a nursery rhyme, that a barrage of abuse. Different strokes for different folks. :)
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10-13-2004, 12:30 PM
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OOPs, I "fat-fingered" the the "w" in "now" and hit the "e" without noticing!
LMAO Ken |
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10-13-2004, 12:40 PM
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10-13-2004, 01:11 PM
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Mike I already find it annoying enough having to explicitly ask to watch for replies to my posts, if you remove or limit the ability to edit that's insane!
I edit a lot of my posts because of a typo, which in the case of a CSS fix can make the information I'm posting incorrect. From the perspective of when I was a newbie, without the security of the edit function I would only ever have made one post a moved on. The upside is my post count would have rocketed up, as I had to make posts to correct posts. Oh wait, then would I'd be able to edit again! Anyway that's my feelings and I'll see what happens. Now I'm off to another forum until the edit function comes back assuming that I'm eligible! |
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10-13-2004, 01:13 PM
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Mike,
It sounds like it was possible to edit the post of others which I thought only MODs could do. Mods had earned the priviledge to edit the post of others by building a good posting history. Why must one earn trust to be able to edit their own post?: Is there a public notice which list banned offenders and an explanation of offense? Even though I have earned editing priviledge under the new guidelines I will still have to deal with double+ posting by those who would have edited if they only could have. As silly as all this seems it is more than just an inconvenience. It reflects the standards of the administration. I truly hope this is just a tempoary thing that we can all laugh about later! It is hard to imagine that a new poster will stick around if they have to look silly for 200 post. But I guess with double+ posting they will get through 'INITIATION' in no time! I might understand the need to 'temporarily halt' editing to iron out specific problems. I do not understand implementing a new procedure for editing 'rights'. |
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10-13-2004, 01:17 PM
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Mike,
Ignoring the global aspect of this decission (Umm better get my spelling right as Mods can't edit their own posts either). OH I can again now so I can delete the next post :) Where I worry is, as Paul said, in the technical posts where people are offering coding advice. A typo in those and the post is worse that worthless, if new members can't edit their posts they are not going to bother posting! Julian |
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10-13-2004, 01:50 PM
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This member will eventually have his edit button back and probably continue this behavior. The current solution is flawed but I have to take the admins side that something had to be done. I hope that this is a temporary solution while a better one is developed. Joe |
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10-13-2004, 03:10 PM
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checked and double checked
jdiben said...
These were posts that had been replied to and shouldn't have been edited to the point where they were basically deleted. To me, it seems that the quality of the post is a reflection of the poster. Knowing this, Bad posting speaks for it's self and doesn't reguire admin interferance to establish that fact. If a poster, reguardless of replies to the thread, chooses to 'retract' and looks insane, unstable, or silly doing it then it only reflects the poster. Which gives the rest of us a basis for interpreting the character of the poster. If I am a bad speller... I will be precieved as one. If I am abusive I will be preceived as such. There have been times I thought of retracting a post... maybe changing it all together. I can understand that would cause confusion and perhaps make it difficult to prove/settle and arguement concerning who said what, especially if the post was/is slanerous or not backed by facts. The paper publications do not substantiate (to; make real or actual) the possibility of retrieving old print for the convenience of retraction. I believe there should be time to edit your post before it has been 'published/saved/unretrievable'. However, I still do not think members will hang around if no one cleans up the trash! |
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10-13-2004, 04:50 PM
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Clicken
Amen! There is something to be said for power of self-governence here, or for a close community core of any kind. At least that's how it used to be. We would notify the admins of spam and other issues right away etc... yes, even PMs were used properly! I don't want to be a "stick in the mud" (archaic metaphor, I know) but, many have come and gone for different reasons. Ken |
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10-13-2004, 05:03 PM
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On the lighter side:
I sure hope these postings don't draw political lines anywhere! We all have the same goals in mind, anyway. With that thought in mind, and I have never seen this done before: I want to nominate Clicken for MVP. She continually offers good comentary and has an excellent interesting and informative writing style, not to forget other minor details like focused topic discussions, timely information etc... "Hat's Off" from greeneagle! Love reading your posts. Ken |
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10-13-2004, 05:14 PM
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Cean up... Everybody Do Your Share!
Thanks greeneagle,
If I ramble too much, just leave a link for me to follow... that should silence me for a short while. I wanted to clarify...However, I still do not think members will hang around if no one cleans up the trash! If I make a mess of my post, I would be happy to clean up my own mess. If I post something that is not considered to be appropriate, I would expect fellow posters to enlighten me with rebutes. I would also expect the publisher to exercise the right to decline publishing. When works are submitted for publication they are then property of the publisher who can throw it away if he chooses. The publisher of the post decides the guidelines for post that are allowed to be published/saved/retrievable. Due to the human factor involved with the determining of what is /isn't acceptable the the poster must recognize and acowledge that the post contained here-in once submitted are the property of the publisher. If you do not like your publisher, you may choose to find another. If the publisher doesn't like the post, it may choose not to use it. All I ask is that there isn't an 'Initiation' for newbies and they will be able to clean up their own messes. (at least given the chance to.) |
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10-13-2004, 05:45 PM
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Sorry, not gonna be able to do that. I have to have some baseline method for deciding on the fly who should be able to edit and who should not.
I can't do a timed window as suggested (I'd prefer it too). Here's how it's going to work. If you have 200 posts AND you've met the time constraint (which is roughly a week) you will automatically be granted editing abilities. Of course exceptions can and will be made. If you don't have 200 posts and editing is a big deal to you, send me and email or PM and we'll most likely be able to work something out. If you meet the 200+ requirement, have been around for a while, and still don't have the ability to edit, you may have some mistakes in the past and ended up on my 'EXCEPT_FOR_THESE_PEOPLE' list. Mods are automatically granted the ability to edit regardless of time or post counts. This is how its SUPPOSED to work and the query should be finished within the next few minutes. If (ahem, I mean WHEN) it works, I'll post the guidelines in a sticky.
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10-13-2004, 05:58 PM
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And why would a professional coming running to admin for the right to edit their post? They have accidently giving the wrong code to someone in a fix, cant edit it, have spent half an hour do the fix to begin with... and you think they are going to wait around for admin to give them permission to rectify a mistake? Not likely...at least none I know. So therefore some poor newbie is now left scratching their head why it didnt work.
Also, I hope you have a good quota of new mods to recruit. Because there sure is going to be a LOT more editing to do!
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10-13-2004, 06:11 PM
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Mike,
My 2 cents worth... Although I'd rather have the edit feature, It's not going to stop me from posting entirely. I do, however, tend to agree with the others about the need to have this function available. The "'EXCEPT_FOR_THESE_PEOPLE' should suffice. I'm wondering if this sort of thing has happened before, or if this is an isolated case. I can appreciate not leaving yourself open for this type of thing again. It's my understanding this was due to a single "individual". Just seems like you're curing the disease but killing the patient. Dave |
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10-13-2004, 06:17 PM
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matauri does present a "two edged sword" scenario. Ohhh, I envy your position Mike!
I know where you are standing, but are you ready to take on the work that has always been self-administrated by members before? Are you ready to give up the "draw" that aspect forges into the "community" and for new members? Ken |
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10-13-2004, 06:20 PM
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I don't think so.
1. We don't have 1,000 people posting code every day. 2. Typically if you're posting code you are more likely to be copying and pasting from a working sample, not coding in the message box. If you post erroneous code, simply repost the correct code. That isn't overly difficult or time consuming. 3. If you are somebody who is an exception to number 1 and 2 above, you can always send me a PM and tell me you write a lot of code in the message box and could really use an edit button and I'll most likely give you one. 4. This won't be resulting an any significant increase of mod work at all. 5. There is a preview button right next to the submit button. 6. This is the best possible solution (given the software and situation) available to me. If you have a better solution that addresses the problem as well or better than this one, I'm all ears. This really isn't that big of a deal. Pay attention to what you post the first time around - that isn't asking too much.
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10-13-2004, 06:27 PM
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10-13-2004, 06:30 PM
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Mike:
"This really isn't that big of a deal. Pay attention to what you post the first time around - that isn't asking too much." In ways you are right on, and it will have that effect to some extent, but you must remember that this is a voluntary "give and take scenario". Many times after setting around for 12-16 hrs tending clients or your own Site... it's easy to miss something. I am sure I didn't need to bring that up anyway. All I can say is: Let's see how it works. People are naturaly resistant to change, especially "BIG" changes. I hope that is not a strong element here. Ken |
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10-13-2004, 06:50 PM
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So to sum up someone gave me an MVP badge but you don't trust me to edit my own posts without either asking for the privilege or doing another 65 posts. That makes me feel so much like a member of this forum/community ... NOT! |
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10-13-2004, 06:52 PM
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Mike:
"I don't really think editing qualifies as a 'draw'. It has never influenced my decision as to whether or not I wanted to participate in a forum." I was more in reference to the "Community Spirit" that members provide and the power that "self-governence" brings. There has been no bridge of "self-governence" here that I can percieve. By anyone, but one single member's actions, and that is being "railed" in more than one forum. They know who they are and so does everyone else... Are they going to continue under the same "surname", Will anyone respond?, Will they pay attention to posts by that member and respond again? Will that member have to "cash out" and take on a new member name? Will they have to take on a different demeanor if they do? In the past we have always dealt with these issues directly and immediately through different channels. What if: 250,000 visitors happened into this issue due to the mail notification we all look forward to every day, so what.... Let me join a self-governing community - now that's power.... that's where I want to be.. Is that not controlled? Ken |
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10-13-2004, 07:03 PM
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I just don't think that you have to "bear it all", history says we have always taken care of our "judiciary" responsibilities as community members.
Am I wrong? Ken |
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10-13-2004, 07:04 PM
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This seems worse now because nobody can edit at the moment. Let me get it fixed and we'll see how it goes from there. If it doesn't work I'll try something else, but I'm still not close to convinced it will be nearly the issue that some of you have made it out to be. Oddly enough, none of the folks complaining are even going to be impacted by this in any way.
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10-13-2004, 07:09 PM
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10-13-2004, 07:11 PM
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And I'm not calling your community judiciary standards into question at all Ken. I think this forum measures up pretty well in most regards.
That is to say it's not without flamers and folks with obvious chips on their shoulders, but you're gonna get that in most forums to some degree. What I can't have is a repeat of last weekend's fiasco of mass post deletion. I don't think I have been able to amply communicate to you guys just HOW bad that is. As such, I have no choice except to take some measures to at least introduce some checks and balances.
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10-13-2004, 07:13 PM
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10-13-2004, 07:22 PM
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Mike,
Obviously you have the business aspect to consider. I don't know that readers are aware that the estimated value of Internet Marketing is now projected at $9Billion USD next year, up from $5-6 Billion projected just last year. But on the other hand, I also believe that the "core community" appreciates that fact (or will)and that is precisely why there has been strong action (on more than one forum) drawing attention to this mess as exemplary. I believe that is pretty strong support. ___ But then again maybe value is appreciated where found... Now that was a nice edit!!! Probably the most enjoyable I have had! Thanks, Ken |
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10-13-2004, 10:35 PM
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Sorry I haven't replied in this thread for a while...
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Some members joining after this "crisis" might not know that they CAN edit their posts by simply sending you an email about it and taking up with you or the other admin. Are you going to notify them? And if these new members don't know the editing rule, but want to contribute to the new forums as much as possible, they ARE going to keep posting new replies continuously just to fix their previous mistakes. Although this will die down soon, and everyone probably won't care, are you ready to handle it now? You could (unless you have already) get a flood of email just over this issue. Many newbies could flock to you just for "editing." When I came to this forum, I wasn't able to delete my posts, but I was able to EDIT them. It felt great, I could fix the typos I made, change a paragraph in case what I said didn't get my point across, etc. If I have to post a new reply just to fix something important, won't I lose credibility with excessive posting? |
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10-13-2004, 11:06 PM
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OK this is weird. On some of my posts I now have the ability to delete them!
Is this a side effect from the "surgery?" |
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10-13-2004, 11:25 PM
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Look, I tried to make a statement against over-moderation by deleting my previous posts. This action backfired & has now placed unwarranted contraints on all - For this I sincerely apologize to all. My suggestion to Mike, is to let me take the hit & disallow my ability to self-edit without penalizing everyone else. I will simply, as Mike suggests, use the preview button prior to posting. Again, I am truly sorry that my actions caused inconvenience to every poster here at WPW. It was not my intention to cause this inconvenience. I will take the hit - I do not believe, innocent posters should be restricted because of my actions. BTW - I'm not hiding, I am here, I am taking the heat. I won't be hiding behind a new nick or changing my distict writing style. I have something to contribute here, I also have things I can learn here. |
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10-13-2004, 11:41 PM
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ACK. um... it shouldn't be. Based on your numbers you shouldn't have even been touched by any rules... Very strange. PM me a link or two if you can.
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10-13-2004, 11:45 PM
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The 200 number is my starting point by the way, I could easily adjust that down to, say 50 or so. That involves a much more extensive move (more people effected in in othe words). 200 gives me a more easily manageable group to set some automation with. The 'throttle' number is a minor variable change. It will almost certainly not stay at 200.
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10-14-2004, 12:00 AM
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It's very strange, and I think it only appeared on that post, but I haven't checked all of them... 
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