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Thread: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    Assuming that the blogs in question are of Chinese origin, I'd venture to say that the owner/operators perform such task, some voluntarily and others under duress.

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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    What did you think of Citizens United? So much for McCain/Feingold, huh? How about President Obama calling the Supreme Court out during the State of the Union?
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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    They've a lot of damned gall calling themselves "citizens."

    No doubt, having been declared by SCOTUS to be just like the rest of us, big corporations will now be much better behaved.

    The baggers who want a revolution would be well advised to begin by getting big business out of the people's business.

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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    Google to shut China search engine

    "Google has drawn up detailed plans for the closure of its Chinese search engine and is now “99.9 per cent” certain to go ahead as talks over censorship with the Chinese authorities have reached an apparent impasse, according to a person familiar with the company’s thinking".

    Related news links:

    1. Google ?99.9 Percent? Sure to Shut Down in China (Update1) - BusinessWeek
    2. Google to pull out of China: report
    3. Google to shutdown its Chinese search engine | ABH News

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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    And why wouldn't the Chinese let the negotiations hit an impasse, all it does is to give the market to baidu.....Google should leave it up, uncensored and if its blocked, so be it, but the Chinese who travel abroad can still see the results at google.cn....

    In the face of censorship, a pull-out seems to be in favor of the censor....
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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    Google.cn is currently registered via CNNIC, which operates under the aegis of China's Ministry of Information Industry. While Google might attempt to escape by way of switching to using NeuStar, an agent of CNNIC authorized to provide registration services outside of China, CNNIC is not likely to allow such transfer.

    IMO, the most likely scenario would be for CNNIC to hijack Google.cn by changing the WHOIS Name Server data, thus opening the way to a DNS Zone war.

    As the US still controls the DNS Root Zone, could get interesting.

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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    I don't think they'll go as far as ripping off google's, google.cn name. While this dispute is a censorship dispute, doing that would bring it to the level of an out and out trade dispute and if you look at China's responses to trade disputes, you will typically see a measured response.
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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    I was not suggesting that they would use said DN, but rather that they would in essence revoke the registration with CNNIC, and refuse to allow its transfer to NeuStar.

    Should Google still find an alternative means of registering such DN - bear in mind that they themselves are a registrar - they could continue to operate Google.dn from a host foreign to China. China would then be faced with choosing between 1) modify their domestic DNS servers to not recognize data feeds from upstream; 2) rely on border routers to block all traffic from Google.dn; or 3) be defeated.

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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    I've been to China and from what I saw, communism works for them. Their government really is working for the best of the majority of the people and the Chinese are happy with the freedom they have. To them, they have"90% freedom" and some have even said that if they have too much freedom, China might crumble to pieces.

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    Re: China: Keeping their people in; or, keeping others out?

    While China's ruling party is Communist in name, their economy is not.

    As for people being "happy with the freedom they have," that is dependent upon the extent to which they are aware of what they lack in the way of freedoms.

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