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    Exclamation Euro / European City Guide Scam

    Google

    Euro City Guide Scam

    or

    European City Guide Scam

    Now it is no longer email scam / spam. You get seemingly professional written letters in your post box with logo and signature:

    Martinez Cubells, 6, 4 pta.8

    E-46002 Valencia

    Tel +34 902 36 70

    Fax +34 902 36 34 71

    Website: european city guide

    asking you to register your business.

    At the bottom, it seems that you have ordered their service, that you heve never heard of.

    They do not control whether you have registered, no ad or no phone calls in your country.

    Here are the full DNS details:

    WHOIS - eurocityguide.com
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    Generated by DNSstuff: On-demand DNS and network tools to analyze, diagnose and monitor a domain or IP address

    Registrar: ENTORNO DIGITAL, S.A.
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Dates: Created 22-mar-1999 Updated 11-mar-2008 Expires 22-mar-2009
    DNS Servers: DESCARTES.ENTORNO.ES PASCAL.ENTORNO.ES

    I was referred to whois.entorno.es; I'm looking it up there.


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    Entorno Digital's WHOIS database is only for information purposes,
    this information consists on domain name registration records.
    Entorno Digital does not guarantee the accuracy of the information
    contained in the WHOIS. Entorno Digital allows the use of the
    information only for lawful purposes, under no circumstances this data
    will be used for: (a) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission
    by e-mail, telephone, or facsimile of mass unsolicited, commercial
    advertising or solicitations to entities other than the data recipient's
    own existing customers; or (b) enable high volume, automated,
    electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of
    Registry Operator or any ICANN-Accredited Registrar, except as
    reasonably necessary to register domain names or modify existing
    registrations.

    Domain name: eurocityguide.com

    Registrant:
    EUROPEAN CITY GUIDE, S.L. (EDCO-000125)
    info@eurocityguide.net
    Mart�nez Cubells, 6 4� pta.8
    Valencia VALENCIA
    46002 ES
    34.902363470 fax: 34.902363471

    Administrative Contact:
    L�pez Pelaez (EDCO-000126)
    info@eurocityguide.net
    Mart�nez Cubells, 6 4�pta.8
    Valencia VALENCIA
    46002 ES
    34.902363470 fax: 34.902363471

    Technical Contact:
    Francesc Farriols Gombau (EDCO-000007)
    francesc@entorno.es
    Santa Anna, 32
    Cerdanyola del vall�s BARCELONA
    08290 ES
    34.935942101 fax: 34.935921445

    Domain Servers in listed order:
    pascal.entorno.es 195.77.116.2
    descartes.entorno.es 195.77.116.3

    Created: 22 Mar 1999
    Expires: 22 Mar 2009
    Last Updated: 11 Mar 2008 12:57:21


    So watch up.

    Accroding to some of the Google hits, they have threatened people.
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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    Funny, I was just reading about fake invoices sent to people in th post, often for subs for something, that sometimes, if a business especially get inadvertently paid.

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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    If this story

    European City Guide scam threatens barber: ThePost.ie#

    is about the same company, they are not amateurs. Look at the age of the site. Where is Spanish police?

    "The scam involves a Spanish-based company sending letters to businesses about an update to its free listing CD Rom directory. Often it includes a request to confirm the company's address and website. Small print at the bottom states that, if the business does this, it will be billed for between €800 and €900".

    The above is identical to the letter I received.

    Assumption: It is the same company in Spain.

    "An elderly barber in Naas, Co Kildare, who allegedly received a death threat from a debt collection agency acting for the European City Guide (ECG) has made a complaint to gardai, writes Neil Callanan".

    Assumption: It is the same company in Spain.

    Where is Spanish police? And Spain is a member of ...

    <cite>
    “We have tried to forward a case to the European Commission about ECG,” said Ann Neville of the European Information Centre in Dublin.
    </cite>

    I am impressed by EU and Spanish police that this Stop The European City Guide! site is needed.
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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    Anybody that has additional information on

    European City Guide
    Martinez Cubells 6,
    4 pta 8
    E-46002 Valencia

    and D. Millard

    that operates the following two internet sites

    eurocityguide dot com

    europeancityguide dot com

    I interpret them as being part of a large (international?) network.

    They have operated with their above indicated business model for years.

    The Norwegian flag is not on Stop The European City Guide! yet. But I have a feeling that they operate via a third party in Norway and
    Malta??

    There are also some companies in Russia that offer a CD service that contact me via email. There may be a relation. I have not got a letter / email about using their CD service yet, so I have linked to their site. But they have changed their site and that always raises a little red flag to me.
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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    I think it can be fine to bring this post to the top if I find similar scam that will be posted here. Here is another Court Bars Canadian Company from Misleading Consumers in Marketing of Internet Domain Name Services similar though no so serious that I found today. So look up if
    1. You get a renewal of your domain registration or hostiong that you did not expect. Always check URL's by cutting and pasting them to the address bar of your browser.
    2. You get an email or written mail to move your domain to a new hoster or registrar.
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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    It may be interesting to note that thare is also a company calling itself the Domain Registry of Canada operating out of New York and targeting Canadians with the same scam. I assume the two companies are related and are operating from a different country to their target market solely in order to make it more difficult to discipline them.

    Well done the FTC for getting round that problem and when will Canada take similar action?
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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    This company has now delivered a CD that I have not asked for.

    Note what jdyndale (from Oslo Norway wrote):

    Quote Originally Posted by jdyndale View Post
    Ok, so putting aside the completely a**hole attitude, and apparent lack of competence, this company showed the deal is this:

    "We'd like you to buy SEO services from us. No? Well, if you're gonna be so foolish we'll just go ahead and give you our services anyway. For free."

    Anyone else have trouble with this logic? Was the sales person really that stupid?
    My bolding.

    Coincidence or are there a sub contract involved? I remember Opera's principle: Don't rely on anybody on the interent.
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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    Hi

    We are getting alot of these letters but, so far, no threats.

    What can we do about them? We have faxed back that we have not ordered anything (but now we know its a scam)

    Do we ignore them and hope they go away or wait until we get a nasty letter to give to Police? Any ideas?

    Our letters have the Valencia details on but a Switzerland postmark.

    Thanks

    Claire

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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    1. Visit this site Stop The European City Guide!
    2. YouTube - Stop European City Guide Scam
    3. It is mentioned in the news here: Don't do anything. They will never bring you to court even if you get beautiful enveloped letters from their legal department. Then their methods will be revealed.
    4. When I get a letter from them, I throw it in the trash can without opening it.
    5. I open letters from Norwegian court.
    6. That this company can, and has operated for soon a decade in Eu is another reason that I am very sceptical to that union.
    7. Give the letter to your police if you want to sue them or waste your time.
    8. I think that the company would have been closed (and the leaders jailed?) in less than a year here.
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    Re: Euro / European City Guide Scam

    Well I am feeling pretty foolish now....I sent off my form thinking it was a free listing (a bit like Yellow Pages we have here in the UK), then I received an invoice asking for 997 - I called them and was told there was a cancellation period, but I hadn't received any other paperwork and was then told to send an email, which I did and received no reply, I then received a reminder in the post so I called again and spoke to a very rude lady who told me they reply within 1 week THEY DON'T, I sent my first email on 16th March. I have now sent 3 emails - I don't want to pay for this but am worried they will start harrassing, which by the sounds of it they tend to do...

    What would be the best course of action for me to take? Any suggestions??

    Thanks
    Joanna

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