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    Google Spam Reporting?

    Morning all. I'm curious what proportion of professional SEOs report their competitors to Google for spammy practices?

    We have never done this as it goes against the grain a little, words like "snitch, grass" etc spring to mind but being has G has made it so easy now from within your webmaster tools, am wondering how everyone else feels about this?

    we stick to the guidelines and just let things take their course, but the list of reportable *offences* we see from competitors is growing daily.

    who is reporting, who isnt, and who is on the fence with us?

    is it worth it? do they ever do anything about it anyway?

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    Re: Google Spam Reporting?

    I think reporting competitors is not really fair unless they are really spamming to proportions where google would penalize them anyway, so I don't see any point in it.

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    Re: Google Spam Reporting?

    I have to ask you to define "Spammy Practices" for SEO's?

    Are you talking about those that take your content and post it on other sites to capitalize off of your good hard work?

    I never really minded that in the old days (1997-2000) but now it seems to be way out of hand with Google indexing Blogs faster and deeper then any eCommerce website. But that's if I'm understanding SEO Spammers.

    For every article I posted in the month of December 3 to 5 other sites reposted the same article.

    This makes confusion in the market and only affects the consumers and Merchants not the SEOs.

    Do you feel the love here?

    If this is what an SEO Spammer is then I would have to say Yes, Report every plagiarizing one of them!

    What do you call those that put company names inside of porn sites?
    I'm actually trying to get Google to remove us from 3 sites and I'm thinking I can drive to the servers in Florida and remove them personally before Google will act.

    So could you turn this around a bit and say SEO's don't report SEO's but SITE OWNERS WILL TRY TO HANG"M the hours I could be helping a merchant are spent cleaning up a trash pile in Google.

    If I was in the SEO business I would market my self as "Garbage Clean-up". But don't make yourself sound like you put me in that junk porn site. Just get me out of it! That's what I would say.

    If this is all Spammer things then I will promote any SEO in every site I own if you report crap that I have to put up with all the time.

    Clear things out so people can get back in HONEST business not Scams and "ID="Link_Farmers.

    Sorry if the Tone of my ASCII this morning. Long nights fixing things that shouldn't have been broken.

    Now, how do I create a report to get google to act on this fast?
    It took me more than an hour to reply here because of all the sites I found.

    Paid Link sites are those Link Farms?


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    Re: Google Spam Reporting?

    I like MursPlaces's style - I have seen this poster before -methinks!!

    This might help the topic to branch out a little

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    Re: Google Spam Reporting?

    im talking about the kind of things listed in the webmaster control panel, and google guidelines as not acceptable. i'll give a couple of examples.

    one of the sites we maintain has a competitor with 2 identical websites, on 2 different domain names. the only difference in any way at all is the addition of another one of their keywords to their company name on domain 2. Both show regularly in my client's searches, but do not challenge us for position.

    another company has had some SEO work done and enjoys very good ratings on the back of a set of doorway pages an SEO firm has put in place for them. we have a way to go to compete with this company.

    so one example is no threat, the other hold #1 on the back of their unfair tactics, but could likely be brought down by a spam report.

    who would and who wouldn't?

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    I think that if you get paid by a client to get a good position and find that the first ones listed in that category are using techniques that are specifically discouraged by Google, I really don't see that it is not fair to send a spam report to Google. It is your client who pays to you, so you should do our best to get the possible best results in an ethical way. And that means trying to get the unethical guys out of the way.

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    Re: Google Spam Reporting?

    ... - I have seen this poster before -methinks!!
    Ctabuk, was that back before Al Gore invented the internet?


    Quote Originally Posted by kevsta View Post
    .. competitor with 2 identical websites, on 2 different domain names.
    I'm glad you said that.
    My attitude changed about how I "Live and Let Live" online over the last 2 months.

    MLM companies that create Duplicate websites under a single domain DO NOT Enhance the Shoppers Experience online.

    Would having a domain with hundreds of subfolders of all the same content?

    Google isn't in my opinion that smart, but it's not that dumb either. They know if a site repeats its self over and over in file folders or sub-domains it will stop indexing. (Well if it all works correctly)

    In your case it's not hidden.

    You don't know how good you have it when you find competitors like this.
    Do you mind if I give you my opinion on what I would do in this case? (Ha, you have no choice.)

    Write the the Site Owner.
    You have to assume it was the owner not the SEO that wanted the dupliate sites. Because you being a Professional have to "Assume" all SEOs are Professional at first.

    I think we can divide the Duplicate site issue up in two or three classes.

    1. Business Owners that don't know any better (Good lead source for SEO's)
    2. MLM Companies (SPAM SITES,MAKE MILLIONS,GET RICH,BE DUMB SITES)
    3. Bad SEO or Blackhat SEOs

    It's clear we report "Phishing" sites by default, any and all sites that ask for Credit Card information without having SSL. (I know you all do that right?)

    I would fall under Category 1 99% of the time.

    1. (Business Owners) I'd call this group and get them to be my customers or allies. You'd be surprised when working with a competitor or a client of a competitor just how little is explained to them and even if you don't get their business on the first pass you will on the second or third and referrals are a sure thing because you will ask them. Right all you good SEO's?

    2. The MLM companies I'd contact the poor suckers below that main website and tell them they need to get out from under that single domain. (Money for Nothing type of advertising)

    3. Bad SEO's just report them but NOT the business sites that is effected. (Repeat Number 1 until they give in or close down.)

    You have to play the game so the game profits you not someone else. Sure Google has reporting processes but that is for Group 2 mostly. You as SEO's might want to approach this differently.
    I never knew their were so many SEO's in the world. I thought they all were in "India" where all my old work is today.

    With a bit of creative marketing on your part. Turn a negative website into a positive without crossing that line of "Extortionist".

    Oh boy, I better explain that fast. SEO Extortionist, defined as the SEO that calls me up and says, "Mur, you better comply or I'll report you".

    Assume (ass_um*e) that every online business owner is just plain Ignorant and you are the only one in the world that knows what is correct and knows how to correct it.

    With that thought you can make a friendly call on this customer and nicely point out the flaws.

    You are now the "Smart SEO" and the customer now will have second thoughts of working again with the first SEO. Second thoughts in a customers mind is like "Out of Business" for that SEO.

    Dang, you SEO's have some great Sales Leads. So easy, just search google for anything!! LOL

    .... P.S. Don't copy this content, it's part of my new Book, How to make Others Rich! by "Give away Every Idea".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MursPlace View Post

    I'm glad you said that. In your case it's not hidden.

    You don't know how good you have it when you find competitors like this. Do you mind if I give you my opinion on what I would do in this case? (Ha, you have no choice.)

    Write the the Site Owner.
    You have to assume it was the owner not the SEO that wanted the dupliate sites. Because you being a Professional have to "Assume" all SEOs are Professional at first.

    I think we can divide the Duplicate site issue up in two or three classes.

    1. Business Owners that don't know any better (Good lead source for SEO's)

    I would fall under Category 1 99% of the time.

    1. (Business Owners) I'd call this group and get them to be my customers or allies. You'd be surprised when working with a competitor or a client of a competitor just how little is explained to them and even if you don't get their business on the first pass you will on the second or third and referrals are a sure thing because you will ask them. Right all you good SEO's?

    With a bit of creative marketing on your part. Turn a negative website into a positive without crossing that line of "Extortionist".

    Oh boy, I better explain that fast. SEO Extortionist, defined as the SEO that calls me up and says, "Mur, you better comply or I'll report you".

    Assume (ass_um*e) that every online business owner is just plain Ignorant and you are the only one in the world that knows what is correct and knows how to correct it.

    With that thought you can make a friendly call on this customer and nicely point out the flaws.

    You are now the "Smart SEO" and the customer now will have second thoughts of working again with the first SEO. Second thoughts in a customers mind is like "Out of Business" for that SEO.

    Dang, you SEO's have some great Sales Leads. So easy, just search google for anything!! LOL

    .... P.S. Don't copy this content, it's part of my new Book, How to make Others Rich! by "Give away Every Idea".
    lol ..youre a funny guy. and of course I dont mind, thanks for taking the time to add your input. However I already know what I'm doing about it, (precisely nothing) I'm just curious about what everyone else does in this kind of situation.

    you are correct in that the business doesnt know what they're doing wrong, their seo-dumb web designer / doesnt know what they're doing either, and that we actually know the business owners personally anyway and so would not want to do them harm in any way.

    add to that the fact that we're #1 across the board in our searches, and they're mostly struggling to get page 2 or 3, and there is no reason to be spiteful and try and hurt them whatsoever.

    their web designer is another matter, as they are now attempting to expand into SEO (by cutting and pasting our work at times) and trying to imitate (very poorly) in other cases. however they are proving to be completely clueless at this too, so i'm inclined to just let results speak for themselves for ther moment.

    you cant help feel for their customers however, shelling out *still more* money, to try and make something they've already paid for once work properly, and its still not going to.

    I may go and have a friendly word with the business owners for their own good, but am not after their business as we have already commited to (and mostly achieved) slamming their competitor into the #1 spot, and I wouldnt want to have to only be able to offer second place, or compete with myself

    The doorway pages crew are a little different, and to be honest when our company can compete with theirs on services offered I may be inclined to level the playing field on Google too.

    however I have always been brought up with a "sort your own problems out" approach, and not to go running telling tales, so this still feels a little wrong to contemplate.

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    Re: Google Spam Reporting?

    As long as it's not intentional, there's really no point in reporting a competitor. Even so, it's usually just a matter of time before Google finds duplicate content and tracks it back to the source, so, as Toni Anicic said "what's the point".

    IMHO, if my competitors are using white hat SEO to make their results more relevant than mine and they're better at it than I am, Good for them! That's fair marketing practice and an ethical competitive spirit. It falls on me to work harder at getting my site to rank higher in the SERPs without using dirty tricks or subversive techniques to make their sites rank lower.

    Black hat SEO?? Manipulating SERPs purely with the intent to crowd out your competitors? Not ethical, certainly not professional and IMHO, definitely worth reporting.

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    Re: Google Spam Reporting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbya View Post
    Black hat SEO?? Manipulating SERPs purely with the intent to crowd out your competitors? Not ethical, certainly not professional and IMHO, definitely worth reporting.

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    Your $0.02 opinion has me thinking I might have setup something that could work against me down the road.

    My Disclaimer: In no way I'm I using this information to profit. I'm using this information to reduce the chances of my personal applications costing me more than the cost of hiring an SEO.

    You used the word "Crowd" I need to ask the following question before I do another 20 hour day of programming mistakes.

    Are you talking about Crowding internet search results with pages of content that are basically all the same pointing to the same site?

    Would I be crowding if I marketed on several websites the same product?
    www. domain 1 .com /product(1)
    www. domain 2 .com /product(1)

    Would I be crowding if I wrote reviews about those products and posted them on
    www. domain 3 .com / product(1)review
    www. domain 4 .com / product (1)review

    Then I offered Technical support for those products on two other sites
    www. domain 5 .com /produt(1)support
    www. domain 6 .com /product(1)support

    The only time you would find all sites is if you actually searched the product name and what you wanted.
    Product 1 Tech Support > Returns Domain 5 and 6
    Product 1 Reviews > Returns Domain 3 and 4
    Product 1 Sales > Returns Domain 1 and 2

    In fact this is standard marketing but when you mix other applications each domain actually returns at least 4 to 6 listings per site. (Internal Search Cached, Banner Advertisements, RSS feeds to Reviews, Support links)

    Now I have Product(1) listed in some way up to 36 times.

    Is that crowding?

    ((( I'm really keeping my fingers cross to hear "No" but I know if logic says this is bad I'll except that I'll never get a job as an SEO )))

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