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    SEO, Where Do I Begin?

    Well it seems we are getting some fresh blood here lately in the WPW which is a great sign of the forum growth. I think some of the recent posts on WPW are pointing to the need for Newbie thread. I have usually pointed people to the HR newbie thread but I think we could create a useful one here.

    I was thinking this thread could serve as great starting point for a recommendations on newbie thread. So if you have a few things that you would tell newbie to do to get kick started in SEO what would it be?

    Here are mine:

    1. Internal Navigation
    Sure the search engines are getting better at learning to crawl complex websites, but you need to make as easy as possible. Avoiding JavaScript, Image Maps, Image Based navigation and session IDs are just a few of the pitfalls many newbie's miss. Create your navigation in CSS or standard text. One way to see if your navigation is easily crawlable is to check the Google cache and click on the link "Click here for the cached text only." If you can see your links in hyperlinked form you are probably ok. This is probably the most universal issue I see as a problem on SEO newbie's and even some of the largest online companies have in common. Get this fixed and do nothing else and you could see large improvements.

    2. Why Are you The Best?
    Maybe the 2nd most important item in marketing your website online is setting yourself apart. If your just another website that offers DVDs (or whatever) online for the same price as BMG, Best Buy, etc what makes your website better? The internet is network of interesting content, products and services. You must make you content, products and services stand out above the rest. How you do that is another story all together.

    3. Links
    OK in a perfect world you could make a great website with awesome content and it would rank fine. Our world is hardly perfect and the search engines not even close. The search engine will more than likely use some sort of linking weight in their algorithm, so after you build this great website, let the world know. Contribute in blogs, forums, messages boards relating to your website. Write articles. Contribute to the internet. Become an authority on what your website deals in and before you know it you will be getting those one-way links without even asking for them. This is truly the link you want. Remember their are no short term link building strategies, that work long term.

    4. Content
    a) OK obviously you cant just have a website made up of images and one sentences on each page. Text is the meat that those search engines love to cook and grub on. The more relevant text you can write on each page the better it is for the search engines and the better it is for your end users. One thing to remember here is not to squeeze to many subjects onto one page. Break pages out as much as possible. Check out this example:

    http://orchidsbyohlman.com/Care.htm

    What a great page full of great content, but much different content. The search engines rarely associate many keyword combinations to one page. So break it down for them. Each of the caring tips for the orchids should be broken down into its own page and expanded on even more.

    b) I think a second point to consider when writing content is natural langue queries, personalization and local search. these will be the future of the search engine algorithm, so consider them when writing.

    c) I will tell you right now. If you don't have a blog create one now. Blogs mean easy in-bound links to you, fresh content, and are easy to crawl, nuff said.

    5. Title Tags
    Another no-brainer. Looking at the example above, the website owner is not using unique title tags one each page. You must have this throughout your website.

    6. Duplication
    Sure we have heard all kinds of confusing horror stories on content duplication. Sure you want to avoid doing it, but I have yet to see Google or other search engines actual penalize for it. What the search engines do is rank one page over another and yes sometimes if they find a duplicate they will toss it in the supplemental index. If you call that a penalty fine, but I call it Google choosing one version to rank over another. Make sure you provide them with only one to rank! Also if you write an article just make sure to publish it on your website and WAIT a couple of weeks and then syndicate it. it will give the search engines time to associate you as the author/owner of it.

    7. Competition
    Please recognize who your competitors are. If you are going head to head with websites that have been online for years and maybe even decades then you should realize your SEO battle will be uphill and difficult.

    8. Finance
    If you are on a shoe-string budget or just have been burned by SEO's in the past and don't want to invest more money into now, this is OK. But please understand the leg work is now on you. Only expect "high-level" ideas and recommendations from forums. The best thing to do is to dive in and do the work yourself with the support of the forum. Don't rely on the forum as cure for your website marketing sickness, but rather a antibiotic that works within your body to heal.

    9. Tracking
    You better do it! If you don't know if your website is making you money, then who cares if it is optimized. Who cares if it is ranking? Who cares what Google PR it is? Two hundred #1 rankings mean nothing if you not making money off of them. That mind set is important. If you not tracking leads/sales then start now.

    10. History
    How long have you been online? Less than a year? More then 5 years? This makes an ENORMOUS difference. I don't care what anyone says. The longer you have been online the more likely you are to have good results. If you still don't have good results and you have been online for a while, don't fret. Your fixes should be take hold quicker in the search engines once you make them.

    11. Code Bloat/Download Time
    OK I understand you might be a SEO newbie, what do you know about coding websites, let alone inline CSS or JavaScript? Bottom line, your either going to need to learn or get someone who does know. No excuses here. It is becoming more important to have valid and easy to crawl code. I am not saying it is absolutely necessary. I see websites that rank all the time that are ridiculous when it comes to valid code, but if you can fix this, then do it. If should hire someone that will. The second part is to make sure you pages download in a reasonable time. Once again you will find slow websites ranking all the time, but get it fixed not only for the search engines, but for your end users.

    12. One Change At Time
    Sometimes even minor fixes of one of the concepts above is enough to make the jumps you target in the search engines. Take your time and evaluate changes one at time. Changing to many things at once can cause "Chasing Your Tail Syndrome"

    These are just a few off the top of my head. I sure some other super members of WPW will have more.

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    Thanks for the tips ...

    *takes a chair in the newbie area of the conference room* :)

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    Great Post. Everyone is a new member or new to SEO at sometime in their life so im sure newbies will appreciate the post.

    Ive just forwarded the thread to a friend to help him.

    13. Fresh Content
    No matter how small I always try and put fresh content onto our website. Not just on the home page but throughout the site.
    We change the pictures and some text on the home page of our site every 1-2 weeks not only for the search engines but for our customers.
    Fresh Content is important I feel at the moment

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    Steven,

    I agree Fresh Content is important, but it is confusing for newbies. Do I need to change my product pages or add to them? No, not at all. You cna build them and leave them alone, but having something like a blog (4.c) can greatly help in search engines like MSN.

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    Hats off to you incrediblehelp for an excellent post!
    What's interesting about it is that you don't stress (or even mention) any of the so-called quick fixes that people keep coming up with. Instead, your emphasis is on what can perhaps be called a holistic approach: SEO is a whole host of things put together and the more of them you get right the better your chances of appearing well in the SERPs will be.
    There's one other point that's perhaps worth mentioning, though, even if it's not really an aspect of SEO.
    I'm thinking, of course, of PPC, which is, I suppose, an adjunct to any webmaster's marketing plans. There are numerous WPW posts about it, including the Google Adwords Discusssion Forum. And there are several gurus (my favourite being Perry Marshall, needless to say) who can help you understand the intricacies.
    But it does help a new site appear on the first SERP pages until the SEO is correct or good enough to do it on its own.

    But again, my full compliments to you for summarizing things so well.
    You sure done good, as they say.

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    well... well... well...

    great post yes..... but... now they know everything and I can fire myself... ahahahah

    On an other point, I do have a disagreement/question about your advice on the navigation system.

    Using only CSS makes it difficult to go for navigation system with multi layers of menu. I would not recommend using CSS 2 or 3 for that matter because it is not well supported by browsers.

    So, am I wrong?

    see ya

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    Re: well... well... well...

    Quote Originally Posted by RFA
    Using only CSS makes it difficult to go for navigation system with multi layers of menu. I would not recommend using CSS 2 or 3 for that matter because it is not well supported by browsers.
    Sure RFA CSS is not supported in some browsers, but it is my opinion it is becoming the future of design standards. I think my point in telling newbie's to use CSS is more towards those whose use JavaScript. CSS can do anything your JavaScript menu or navigation can do, plus it can be crawled by the search engines. Newbie's sometimes get trapped in the cosmetic look and feel of websites when starting out. The point is you don't need to lose that great look and feel, while gaining crawlability. You see where I am going with this? The point I was making was crawlability.

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    Hulk, question?

    I just read somewhere, that google will penalize you if you use the yahoo or msn dirctories. Is this true? Can you recomend some good directories for my business.

    thanks,

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    Not true. Just do a few searches on WPW and you will find a bunch of great directory list threads, like the sticky one right below this thread.

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    I have to take exception with anyone calling Perry Marshall an Adwords guru. Far from it. His method of tossing shite at the wall and something good should fall from it, is simple rubbish.

    I have worked with webmasters chasing 5000 keywords with terms like

    bora bora bora timbukutu widget green

    optimization engine search content improved rankings

    Nobody searches with terms like these. To have people waste their time and money to learn a hawksters shrill is poor business in my eyes.

    I can do more with a targeted list of 100 keyword terms, Ads written to match, drive high CTR and conversions to leads or sales, and make my clients live much more enjoyable, and their campaigns better organized, than having them spending hours chasing the tail.

    Opposing view.

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