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    "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    For the search phrase 'advice and tips on SEO' my site comes out #2 (Google is #1). This is the page title and H1 tag.

    Google tells me, though: "The "AND" operator is unnecessary". But if omit the 'and' I enter 'advice tips on SEO', my site drops to #3.

    Further, if I drop the 'on' (what I would consider another stop word), my site drops to #25.

    In MSN Live Search my site remains at #11 with all 3 variants.

    So:

    1) Google does appear to be influenced by 'stop words.

    and more importantly:

    2) What would normal humans enter in google: 'advice and tips on SEO' or 'advice tips seo'?

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    Re: "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    you searched for sentence (advice and tips on SEO'_) not separate keywords advice tips SEO

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    Re: "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    Yes, these are words that Google filter...They just snip the keyword or keyword phrases...

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    Re: "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    I would enter a sentence into Google. That is how I search, not by entering random keywords, unless I started with searching for just "SEO" and then was trying to hone in on something. I think most people would do the same.

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    Re: "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    Quote Originally Posted by coolguy27 View Post
    Yes, these are words that Google filter...They just snip the keyword or keyword phrases...
    But if that is the case my examples should get the same ranking with and without 'stop' words and they don't!

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    Re: "Stop" words: they do make a difference to google!

    Quote Originally Posted by mattk@nexsens.com View Post
    I would enter a sentence into Google. That is how I search, not by entering random keywords, unless I started with searching for just "SEO" and then was trying to hone in on something. I think most people would do the same.
    My feelings too.

    Which means if most people use stop words in their search sentences or phrases and Google differentiates between search with and without stop words in them, then including stop words is actually better for ranking in Google - though not MSN search it seems.

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    Re: "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B View Post
    But if that is the case my examples should get the same ranking with and without 'stop' words and they don't!
    Yes..

    If a word is not relevant to your site, donít list it in your key words. This is one easy way to avoid losing your index privileges...



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    Re: "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    Quote Originally Posted by mattk@nexsens.com View Post
    I would enter a sentence into Google. That is how I search, not by entering random keywords, unless I started with searching for just "SEO" and then was trying to hone in on something. I think most people would do the same.
    I'm curious, does anyone know whether more people use sentences or just a string of keywords when they search?
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    Re: "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    How can you give advice on SEO??? when you do not know how to do keyword research????

    LOL

    You've made my day......

    Here is some free keyword research from a real SEO

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    No data for phrase: advice and tips on seo

    Overture

    No data for phrase: advice and tips on seo

    Amazing.........it's almost like a lawyer wanting to know what a defendant and plantiff are....

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    Re: "Stop" words: the do make a difference to google!

    for me it's easy, instead of the and operator i just use in the title and on many parts of my sites the & symbol, I mark it up as & in HTML which helps me to a degree I beleive...

    try that out and you may go back to number 1...

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