Is Mozilla the best browser???

[kgun]

Security:

1. Tell me why your browser choice is a more secure browser.
2. That a page does not show well in Opera, may that be related to security?

[imsickofwebpro]

I use IE7 and prefer it much over firefox.

IE7 comes standard with tabbing and uses anti-alias text (anti-alias is a big one). I actually find myself hacking out firefox and IE6 CSS over IE7. IE7 is a lot more forgiving when it comes to code structure too.

As far as all the plugins are concerned, I really haven't found any FF plugins that have significantly improved my web browsing experience. Most seem gimmicky.

Just my thoughts.

[cw1865]

for me, they all seem to work the same, the web page I want always seems to pop up.....

[kgun]

for me, they all seem to work the same, the web page I want always seems to pop up.....

Then you are very selective in your surfing / browsing and careful when you log into your bank account and use your credit card.

"for me, they all seem to work the same"

Agree, if you add from IE 7.0 and onwards.

[deepsand]

I use IE7 and prefer it much over firefox.

IE7 comes standard with tabbing and uses anti-alias text (anti-alias is a big one). I actually find myself hacking out firefox and IE6 CSS over IE7. IE7 is a lot more forgiving when it comes to code structure too.

As far as all the plugins are concerned, I really haven't found any FF plugins that have significantly improved my web browsing experience. Most seem gimmicky.

Just my thoughts.

IE7's GUI is far from being either clean or intuitive; in those respects, I find IE6 to be the better.

That it may better handle variations in what you refer to as "code structure" no doubt owes in part to the number of sites that continue to use non-standard MS-centric features.

As for the value of FF plug-ins, such depends greatly upon the needs of the user, particularly if one is a developer rather than merely an end-user.

[kgun]

IE7's GUI is far from being either clean or intuitive; in those respects, I find IE6 to be the better.

If you mean that, download the latest version of the Opera web browser and click

view + style

and try the different options. Any comment?

Note:
Author mode, the author of the web document's style, is choosen by default. When you choose user mode, your own browser preferences (settings) take preference over the author's styling. There are a lot of additional options for disabled people etc.

Can this be the reason that you complain about how pages are presented in Opera? You have simply not understood the different and important settings (options) in the browser.

[carbonize]

The names Phoenix and Firebird were pre-release working names, not final product names.

What difference does that make? Whether or nto it was the pre-release name or not Firefox was called Firebird when I first started using it. It was not called Firefox pre-release it was called Firebird.

IE7 is a lot more forgiving when it comes to code structure too.

And therefore helps to promote sloppy coding and bad practices. Accepting sloppy code is a bad thing not a good thing. It teaches people bad habits which they then have to try and unlearn once they realise that IE is not the only browser in the world.


And just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons I've recently started messing with K-Meleon. It uses the Gecko engine but gives you alot more control over what you can see. You can quickly turn off images and flash. Can also quickly change the useragent.

[kgun]

And just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons I've recently started messing with K-Meleon. It uses the Gecko engine but gives you alot more control over what you can see. You can quickly turn off images and flash. Can also quickly change the useragent.

So K-Melon is the cat and the other browsers the pigeons

It uses the Gecko engine but gives you alot more control over what you can see.

Better than on Opera? Read what I wrote above. In addition I mean security is the most important aspect for surfers. Read what I have written repeatedly above. Is it more secure - than in my opionion on browser security - order of priority:

1. Opera.
2. FireFox
3. Internet Explorer. (Security zone settings is an illusion).

Tell me that your credit card information were stolen, your computer infected, your bank account hacked and you experienced cross browser scripting. My first question: Which web browser did you use?

[carbonize]

Better than on Opera?

Quite probably but I've not used Opera seriously in years. Download the pocket version of K-Meleon and take a look. Got nothing to lose.


Opera's perceived security is the same as that of the Mac. It is more secure than Windows/IE because few people use them and so 'hackers' tend to ignore them.

Have a look at Opera Changelogs and you will see that 9.22, 9.23, 9.24, 9.25 to name a few all contain updates to fix security issues.

Changes Since Opera 9.24
Security

* Fixed an issue where plug-ins could be used to allow cross domain scripting, as reported by David Bloom. Details will be disclosed at a later date.
* Fixed an issue with TLS certificates that could be used to execute arbitrary code, as reported by Alexander Klink (Cynops GmbH). Details will be disclosed at a later date.
* Rich text editing can no longer be used to allow cross domain scripting, as reported by David Bloom. See our advisory.
* Prevented bitmaps from revealing random data from memory, as reported by Gynvael Coldwind. Details will be disclosed at a later date.

Changes Since Opera 9.23
Security

* Fixed an issue where external news readers and e-mail clients could be used to execute arbitrary code, as reported by Michael A. Puls II. See our advisory.
* Fixed an issue where scripts could overwrite functions on pages from other domains. See the advisory. Issue reported to Opera by David Bloom.

Changes Since Opera 9.22
Security

* Fixed a JavaScript security issue discovered with Mozilla's jsfunfuzz tool. See our advisory.

Changes Since Opera 9.21
Security

* Fixed an issue that could occur when removing a specially prepared torrent transfer, as reported by iDefense. See the advisory.
* Prevented an issue where data URLs could be used to display the wrong address in the address bar. See the advisory.

[kgun]

Yes on most of the browsers that is or should be an issue, since advanced redirects, hacking, cross browser and server scripting, fishing and pharming is getting more and more advanced.

On Norwegian Tv yesterday, there was a program about stealing online identity etc. In 2007 there were if I remeber correct more than 100 million online identity thefts in one form or another in the USA. It is a less problem here because of the indirect "security in our language" It is estimated that this will get worse in the future and about 10 % will experience security exploits. There is no browser that can eliminate this, but it can be reduced by using the correct browser and streamline browser settings.

There is a constant race out there between hackers and browser coders that will go on as long as there are surfers on the world wide web and web browsers are used for surfing.

Do you mean that the relatively infrequent updates of Internet Explorer is an advantage?