Water the future coal.

[kgun]

Last week I was on a holiday to my hometome and was surprised to be informed about the Utsira wind power and hydrogen plant. Surplus energy is used to produce hydrogen from water.

Today I also watched a program on Cnn that solar energy from the solar belt (among them deserts) combined with technology from the technology belt will broduce green energy for the future. Here again surplus energy can be used to make hydrogen from water. Spain is in the front here and today, on Norwergian Tv, it was reported that a solar cell project would produce enough energy to supply 9000 houses with energy.

So I stand by my premise: Technology is not the problem. We have to revolutionate the way we think. If you understand fractals that I have explained in another thread, "solar trees" will be used to light trees. Suplus energy from the "solar trees" can produce energy at day that produce hydrogen that is used to light the streets in the night.

If you understand fractals that can be used model "natural fractals" (Google it) you will understand that fractal forms are driven by the most efficient forms. A river takes the easiest and thust most efficient way. So efficiency will drive ideas, design, technology, green energy etc etc.

Nano technology, interaction between nano technology and light is promising. Nano health is one are. Nano tools can target cancer cells and destroy them. So green energy and nano technology is the power of the future.

Thorium (named after the Nordic god Thor) is another nuclear material that there are very much of in Norway. It is claimed that thorium is clean, there is much in nature and the vaste can not be used to produce nuclear weapons.

New Zealand and Iceland should have enough geo thermal energy to produce hydrogen from water.

Biomembran, still not an English word. That is about farming in dry areas. It is a Norwegian invention that may be used to reduce the greenhouse effect.

Related links:
Thorium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Digital eBook : IUCN Academy of Environmental Law Research Studies: Volume 1, The Law of Energy for Sustainable Development

SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT PREPARATORY MEETING BEGINS CONSIDERATION OF POLICY OPTIONS FOR ENERGY, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, AIR POLLUTION, CLIMATE CHANGE

http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewconte...ntext=expresso

P.S. I am no believer in Thor.

[Indiana]

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooowwwwwww wwww...THUDDDD!...Hell I wish I could stop landing like that;

Right!
Ha! HA!....No one expects the Spanish Inquisition !...-O)

Salut Mik mik, Dave..Ca va


Buenos dais Senor Kgun...How are you doing?


QUOTE:-"I am absolutely for every measure to reduce CO2."

WITHOUT PREDUDICE.

With the greatest respect sir, it is the contention of the tribunal of the Inquisition In Santiago de Compostela that you are suffering from a pandemic malady sir...


"Carbon madness" also known as the CO2 syndrome...A type of dementia that is currentlly sweeping the planet... 2 of the symtons are;

A total intellectual incapacity to analyst or examine evidence;
A belief in a mass collective hallucination called the IPCC.


.I could go on...However...With respect simply put every thing you know about CO2 and global warming/climate change is wrong....Below is the real state of affairs....

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Conclusions from Earthwatch...Edition 7

So far by dead reckoning we "Know for fact/truth" thats near enough;

* 1...On a global scale...The temperature has risen/ is rising...Confirmed...Valid by The UN World Meteorological Organization. (see article RHS1 Earthwatch 7 )

* 2...On a global scale...Climate patterns are changing...Confirmed...Valid by The UN World Meteorological Organization. (see article RHS1 Earthwatch 7 )

* 3...We cannot be 100% certain of the validity of information, received, regarding 1&2 in this list...

Various errors and data conflicts are present in the body of scientific data collected and conclusion have been arrived at that ignore certain crucial data... click here to learn about errors

* 4...CO2 as the prime cause of global warming has not yet been validated its still a theory.

In a 1996 report by the UN on global warming, two statements were deleted from the final draft. Here they are:

1) None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases.

2) No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to man made causes. To the present day there is still no scientific proof that man-made CO2 causes significant global warming.

See "Carbon dioxide rebellion" edition 6 of RHS1 Earthwatch... Click here to view.

* 5...The Sun has changed its behaviour become more active. Confirmed...Valid by -Max Plank institute Germany et al.

* 6...The Heliosphere of the Sun and the planets it contains has changed status become more active. Confirmed...Valid by -NASA, ESA, et al.

* 7...There is an increase of cosmic dust within our solar system "More solid material available". Confirmed...Valid by -NASA; Odyssey mission.
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"Current Planet/Physical alterations of the Earth are becoming irreversible. Strong evidence exists that these transformations are being caused by highly charged material and energetic non-uniformities in anisotropic interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our Solar System.

This "donation" of energy is producing hybrid processes and excited energy states in all planets, as well as the Sun. Effects here on Earth are to be found in the acceleration of the magnetic pole shift, in the vertical and horizontal ozone content distribution, and in the increased frequency and magnitude of significant catastrophic climatic events.

There is growing probability that we are moving into a rapid temperature instability period similar to the one that took place 10,000 years ago. The adaptive responses of the biosphere, and humanity, to these new conditions may lead to a total global revision of the range of species and life on Earth.

It is only through a deep understanding of the fundamental changes taking place in the natural environment surrounding us that politicians, and citizens a like, will be able to achieve balance with the renewing flow of Planet/Physical states and processes."


From the paper PLANET/PHYSICAL STATE OF THE EARTH AND LIFE By DR. ALEXEY N. DMITRIEV*
Published in Russian, IICA Transactions, Volume 4, 1997 *Professor of Geology and Mineralogy, and Chief Scientific Member, United Institute of Geology, Geophysics, and Mineralogy, Siberian Department of Russian Academy of Sciences.

Click here to Read this Paper
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"It is only through a deep understanding " QUOTED from above..

Not a knee jerk reaction, that kills thousands of birds ( On this point we concur it is morally,
unacceptable to erect these killing machine thus effectively declaring war on other life species)

Destroys more of our environment, leaving the world short of food for the provision of ethanol

All in the Name of the war on CO2...Which is "a convenient lie"

Now before/if you respond SVP...Read the latest edition of Earthwatch in my sig file...


Now as you know rien about CO2 or the real story in Ducktown...I would like to now
make amends for confronting your ignorance and respectfully bow to your Intelligence
in your own field of mathematics of which I am convinced you have a formidable knowledge

Kgun are you familiar with the maths of Terence Mckenna...Particularly his "Time zero calculations...Which as far as my limited mathematical understanding comprehends is a
form on infinite calculus based on the acceleration of change..Thus arriving at Time zero...

Your qualified opinion on this subject would be greatly appreciated I do not think that there is a more chaotic nor variable mathematical model than "change"


Hootenanny talks with TERENCE MCKENNA | Hootenanny Magazine

An interview.

Novelty theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wiki info


Mik mik...Below QUOTED from grist for mill website...Your link.

"No one in the climate science community is debating whether or not changes in atmospheric CO2 concentrations alter the greenhouse effect, or if the current warming trend is outside of the range of natural variability, or if sea levels have risen over the last century.

This is where there is a consensus."

Comment on this quote...

The only consensus from this collection of riff raff...Is opening a debate on CO2 as the prime mover in global warming/climate change is...IMHO "Pissing on the campfire" and professional suicide.

In the next edition of Earthwatch we will be taking a "forensic" look at this mob....

I read a quote some were that if Alfred Nobel knew that Al Gore and the IPCC had won his peace prize he would turn in his grave...Well informed sources on the astral plane say he is now known as... "Revolving Nobel".-O)

All the best...Indy

[kgun]

Buenos dais Senor Kgun...How are you doing?


QUOTE:-"I am absolutely for every measure to reduce CO2."

Buenos dias Senor Indiana, I am in good mood.

And the best way to reduce CO2 is to grow 5 trees in Amazons for every tree you cut. But that seems like a difficult and insurmountable task for a primate like Homo Sapiens. I think the birds are better, but trees grown by Homo Sapiens binds about 10 times more CO2 than trees grown by the rest of nature.

Fantastic post.

[Indiana]

The carbon offset scenario...Viz a viz Trees is calculated at minimum 100 years.... to absorb todays CO2
It rubbish ...Kgun...Honest...CO2 is not the cause or problem....Respects Indy

[kgun]

The carbon offset scenario...Viz a viz Trees is calculated at minimum 100 years.... to absorb todays CO2

1. Is that correct? Note that I said that you have to grow the trees in the rain forest e.g. of the Amazon rain forest where trees grows extremely fast. Look at the "Measured rates of deforestation in the Amazon" in that Wikipedia article.
2. If it is correct, then grow 100 trees for every one you cut. Let school children get some days free to grow the trees. They will love the job. We did it here when I was 13 and 14 years old.

What about algae? Algae is now beeing grown in Norwegian fjords. Food, biomass and biofuel will be produced from micro alga farms in about 5 years. And algae, absorb Co2, too. Food will be produced to feed salmon on sea farms.

Interesting topic.

By the way, are you from France or a Sheriff from Texas?

[Indiana]

Mon ami...Kgun,
The Malady you are suffering from is carbon madness...Wake up!

It is totally immaterial that algae, absorbs Co2....Will you stop it-O)
I repeat the planet Earth has NO problem with CO2...However as per
your observation it has a problem with Homo Sapia ...Which insists
it can"win" contra the universe and and applied science...LOL ...Indy

PS my image is for PR purposes ATMIT ( At this moment in time)

[kgun]

It is totally immaterial that algae, absorbs Co2....Will you stop it-O)
I repeat the planet Earth has NO problem with CO2...However as per
your observation it has a problem with Homo Sapia ...Which insists
it can"win" contra the universe and and applied science...LOL ...Indy

Agree that we can not win against nature. I have been cross country skiing in Norwegian mountains sleeping in tent in the snow, so I know what it means to calm down, eat and let nature rule. Our hope is that we can adapt and the sooner we start, the better.

[Indiana]

To be close to nature as you describe...Is to understand who and what we are.

I perceive a dimension in your persona that is both noble and small such is the lesson of man dependant upon his karma for nature has neither thought nor care for man..HTH-O)...Indy

Terrance Mckenna ?

[Indiana]

Viz a viz....Your edit Certainly let children plant trees...Let them draw them selves as close to nature as possible...Such action is without blame...and a contribution to the life force...they make a pro life gesture that is what is important not the tree its self...Nature is as aloof from trees as it is with man ...Respects....Indy

[thehappysmoker]

It's getting to sound like H.C.Andersen.

Are you claiming that nature is a separate entity which trees and man are not part of ?

Does it make decisions (such as the decision to hold itself aloof) ?

I hold myself aloof from my right foot. Does that make any sense to you ? (At least I would be capable of holding myself aloof if I chose to). Nature lacks the ability, because it doesn't really exist on its own. It is a collective name, for everything (including those nasty chemicals, and plastic. Where do you think they come from ? Magic ?)

A fairy just flew past my window. I swear it held me aloof.