We're all doing it wrong.... :-p

[Steptron]

I love internet communities ... all over the planet we humans decide that we want to attack another’s without any factually evidence and then when they are presented they are removed quickly to avoid any positive out come for the company burned.

I wait in anticipation to see if you post the comments i made ... they are factual based and honest. Lets see the outcome.

Real shame I have spent allot of time reading this site over the last 24 hours ... i hope they do what is right as I would like to stay..

Just for the file ... I am not here for a fight, i just think the facts had not been gathered but yet the company was hung out to dry.

Sounds a little like world politics....


Steptron

[datetopia]

That SEO website seems to have pr3. Probably needs some seo services itself.

[crankydave]

I love internet communities ... all over the planet we humans decide that we want to attack another’s without any factually evidence and then when they are presented they are removed quickly to avoid any positive out come for the company burned.

I wait in anticipation to see if you post the comments i made ... they are factual based and honest. Lets see the outcome.

Real shame I have spent allot of time reading this site over the last 24 hours ... i hope they do what is right as I would like to stay..

Just for the file ... I am not here for a fight, i just think the facts had not been gathered but yet the company was hung out to dry.

Sounds a little like world politics....


Steptron

Stephen

After review, your post will remain off the board. Shilling will not be tolerated on WPW.

You are welcome to stay Stephen. If you'd like to be upfront about your relationship with the company mentioned in this thread then you are welcome to discuss and/or debate the points being made.

Thinking you're anonymous on the web is usually a mistake.

Dave

[thindenim]

As it was myself who started this discussion I would be interested to see what Steptron's comments were. I have nothing against legit SEO companies, but what does anger me is when sales people give clearly false information to try and scare clients into using them.

Any chance of a pm with the post Dave?

[crankydave]

Any chance of a pm with the post Dave?

If Stephen wishes to be upfront and honest about his relationship with the company I'd be more than happy to return his post to the thread.

Dave

[kushty]

Hi all,

I am new to the site and just reading this thread with interest. As I see it nobody was attacking SEO companies. Comments have been made on the aggressive manner in which Thindenim was approached by this company. In my opinion any reputable SEO company worth it's salt wouldn't use these forms of marketing.

[kevsta]

Hi all,

I am new to the site and just reading this thread with interest. As I see it nobody was attacking SEO companies. Comments have been made on the aggressive manner in which Thindenim was approached by this company. In my opinion any reputable SEO company worth it's salt wouldn't use these forms of marketing.

this same thing used to get said about a lot of other lightly, or unregulated business markets, estate agency, recruitment ( in particluar IT, in which I have prior experience) and sales in general.

but of most of the largest most and most successful (financially) organisations have hardcore sales tactics at their frontline. the path the business seems to be taking is not good but with the size of the potential marketplace, IMO it is unfortunately inevitable.

[kevsta]

you know, looking at the site it seems like a fair service they offer, they'll rank your site before you have to pay? ..if they didnt instruct their sales staff to just tell any old porkie to get clients signed up, this might work better for them in the long run.

thindenim - you left out the best part? how much did they want for this fabulous service?

[thindenim]

I don't think we got round to pricing, but there may be details on their web site.

[Re-Route]

Hi All (Thank You Steptron, For the Call, and Tip Off)


This Message is posted by Re-Route.

I would love to add some factual based information to this public execution. I guess the only way to deal with this is running through the comments, helping to really separate the fact from fiction.

Ok – Please Accept my apology for grammar or typos errors – Lots to say little time to do it in.

1st Thindenim – I can only apologise if this is the sales pitch that presented itself over the phone, however I would like to state that the Sales person in question was 3 days into her new role and I assume nervously presented the information incorrectly. As a successful sales company we run strict disciplinary procedures to any one caught lying to a potential client … however after reading your comments, I think the girl in question just presented incorrectly due to nerves or misinterpretation was to blame.

·“A couple of years ago we identified the magic 4 points which Google uses to rank sites. We approached Google about this and they said to us...”

5 Years ago the directors that formed our group of companies, left the employment of a much larger development and Internet based strategist company in order to work helping clients with Web Design and SEO. Our proven formula in SEO (i.e. best way we found) consists of 4 points, these points have been confirmed by Google as correct methods, consisting of Market analyzation, Content Update, Code Update and Finally an Exposure Program.

·Google - "Oh, you are right. There is nothing we can do about this for 15-20 years and we'll let you away with it, as long as you only do it for one Company for each key phrase."

This section brought a smile to our faces trying to work out what was said or infact how it was interpreted. As every SEO company in the world understands, our job’s are made possible due to Google and other search engines relying upon Site Content, Site Code and Site Importance (I am sure there are a few other’s but this will be enough for the explanation). Documented throughout the world one such way for this to end would be for an Artificial Inelegant search engine that could understand the true content of the written language including dialect, slang and languages. Universities studying such technologies state that no such super engines (for wont of a better word) will be ready or commercially marketed for at least 15 years. The end statement I am guessing was the sales persons attempt or wrong interpretation. As a company we currently only take on 1 business for a set Keyword program and we don’t deal with other companies for the same keywords.

·Because of this magic formula we can guarantee you a top 10 position for the keyphrase "straighteners" on the main google index.

As a company we have a great success rate for clients and yes we agree that this is because of our winning formula - that doesn’t mean we do anything magical or mystical – it just simply means the way we breakdown our clients market, update the content and wash the code finished with gaining our clients exposure has proven to bring a very large success rate.

Now the Guarantee – Read the web site and I think you will see, our company makes no such promises….. However what we do is “guarantee” you don’t pay a penny until your URL is placed on the first page for your chosen campaign. This doesn’t mean we guarantee it will happen, but we are willing to risk our own money.

·OK, I said. I am assuming what you are offering is a link building service? Not really that impressive, considering that we are already 22nd for the keyword strengtheners and there are only 176,000 results. Surely a few good quality links would get us up there?

"No, we do things that you have never even heard of. Only we can guarantee you this ranking."

I have nothing in defence of this and can only assume the sales girl got a little lost in your question, (we all know what it can be like to work for a new company) alternatively, in-between you trying to probe and listen to her pitch your amazing ability to write word for word in real time went through a small glitch, but for the life of me I am sure this was never the case.

·Well, I said, I targeted the key phrase "hair products", which has 2,860,000 results (276,000 with the quotes) and we are 6th in the Google index. I did not employ the use of any magic beans or potions for this ranking.

"No, only ourselves and 4 other companies in the world know how to manipulate the rankings"

Mmmm – I guess you have me on this one as well … I imagine that the creative mind has helped stretch these statements … but possibly it could be the glitch returning again. Not sure?

·Manipulate? So what you are doing is black hat then? Google don't allow anyone to manipulate their rankings.

Although I wouldn’t use the word Manipulate or Manipulation whilst explaining SEO, the sales girl in question was right in her choice of words –

The definition of Manipulate is – control (others or oneself) or influence skilfully, usually to one’s advantage.

I think we can all agree when we change Code or Content on site we are doing this in order to manipulate our chances of success. I will let you work out if you statement of black hat is true.

·"Yes, but they told us they couldn't do anything about it and as long as we don't saturate the market, it's ok"

But surely if you told them what you do, the first thing they would do is make sure Mr Cutts and his web spam team gets right on to it to fix the problem?

"No, they won't have the technology for 15/20 years."

I think I have covered these points above.

Thindenim please accept this as a written apology, our company would never mislead you. I will assume that this conversation and post was the result of our company’s failure to train new sales people. We have now addressed the training and you will be glad to know that our recruitment and training process has been extended. We have taken the option to continue the employment of the girl in question, and have extended her sales training. Also we have to take into account the possibility you didn’t manage to transfer the conversation to this blog perfectly.