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    Senior Member Simon Young's Avatar
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    Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    Hi,

    It has been suggested that my menu system on the left hand side of my site may well be hurting my search engine positions by effectively spamming particular keywords..

    Do you think this is the case and if so is there a suggested fix.

    All help will be most appreciated.

    DVD-and-media.com blank dvd recordable disc and case products for duplication and replication
    http://www.dvd-and-media.com/ Largest suppliers of DVD cases in the UK
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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    I don't know what others will say, but I don't see what you are doing as spamming.

    Your side navigation links basically links to unique pages that have to do with the keyword in the link.

    And I looked at your source code and noticed your top navigation menu is in the javascript file, so its not completely hidden, but not part of the main side either.

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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    I ran into this a while ago with my internal site search. If you wrap the sidebar in a <noindex> tag then the search engines will skip over that section of the page.

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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    Quote Originally Posted by spenland View Post
    I ran into this a while ago with my internal site search. If you wrap the sidebar in a <noindex> tag then the search engines will skip over that section of the page.
    Wouldn't you worry about internal PR to your sub pages with this technique?

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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    If your shopping cart software permits it, use a source ordered layout in your template. That way you can put the center column first in the source.

    Layout Gala: a collection of 40 CSS layouts based on the same markup and ready for download!

    I know you can do this with CubeCart, and most likely with the newest version of ZenCart. There are a few others. Most of the older carts allow less freedom that way.

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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    1. This web page contains 150 urls. Some Search Engines have problems with more than 100 urls on a page. For example, Google's Webmaster Guidelines state Keep the links on a given page to a reasonable number (fewer than 100)

    2. I seriously consider 5.08% keyword density is harmful. And the word DVD is found in 62 times in your page, which results the above 5.08%. Here is a cool reading about this issue: Avoiding Keyword Stuffing Ban

    3. Did someone mention that Google cannot read the content of the noscript tag? If so, that is not true.

    Good luck.
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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    I thought the use of a noscript tag was to be used if someones browser doesnt support javascript and just good practice to put one in if you have a javascript menu... or am I wrong?

    Many thanks for the help Webnauts - will make a few adjustments.

    So having read your suggested article does the following genrally fit or should I have say three different pages (one for each search engine)

    If I worked along the lines of -

    In the title of a page try to average 6 - 7 words and mention my keyphrase once and make it in good english.
    In the keywords tag try to have around 13 words but dont put the target keyword right at the front.
    Make my keywords a little less prominent, get them in close to the start of sentences and titles etc, but not right at the front.
    Have 600 - 700 words on a page.
    - if you could expand on this or correct me it would be good.

    Plus is there a nice little tool that I can use to run tests on my pages to analyse those percentages?

    Do you think this has changed much since the article was written in 2006?
    http://www.dvd-and-media.com/ Largest suppliers of DVD cases in the UK
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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    We try to help posters with potential problems and we do free of charge. So thanks Webnauts - as it was I who alerted him.

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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with including a noscript menu if you have a javascript menu on your site.

    This has worked for us for years and I have seen Google mention that it's perfectly OK to use noscript menus if you want to use javascript menus.

    Search engines are just happy to be given the chance to see the links that they otherwise wouldn't be able to read.

    However, after looking at your site I see there are noscript tags at quite a few locations and this does look spammy and intended to fool the SE's. Might be an idea to remove them all as the home page contains many links already and because of that you don't actually need a noscript menu.

    The best method is "JavaScript Menu" - "Noscript Menu" - "few links dotted around the page". Keep it simple and concise.

    HTH,
    Andy
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    Re: Are my menu systems hurting my rankings.

    Quote Originally Posted by mryang View Post

    Do you think this has changed much since the article was written in 2006?
    If you test your pages with our tool, you will get the answers to your question: SEO Workers Search Engine Optimization Analysis Tool
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