From position 8 to position 76 in five days... Please help

[webitaly]

Hello,
I am new to this forum, and I would like to get your tips and suggestion to solve a problem I really don't understand...
I am the webmaster for a website (www.poderelecave.com) ranking in the last months between position 7-10 in Google.com for the search phrase "bed and breakfast Florence", and between position 4-7 in Google.it. I one week I have seen the ranking falling down from position 8 to position 76 in Google.com, but remaining stable in position 5 in Google.it!
I am wondering about this negative performance, and I can't understand what's happened in one week! Never used black hat techniques or any other trick till now.
Any tip and suggestion is welcome.
Thank you all for your help
Roberto

[glengara]

*Never used black hat techniques or any other trick till now.*

and

*Put your link exchange work on autopilot!*

don't exactly match up...:-)

[rogerbeta]

Hello,
I am new to this forum, and I would like to get your tips and suggestion to solve a problem I really don't understand...
I am the webmaster for a website (www.poderelecave.com) ranking in the last months between position 7-10 in Google.com for the search phrase "bed and breakfast Florence", and between position 4-7 in Google.it. I one week I have seen the ranking falling down from position 8 to position 76 in Google.com, but remaining stable in position 5 in Google.it!
I am wondering about this negative performance, and I can't understand what's happened in one week! Never used black hat techniques or any other trick till now.
Any tip and suggestion is welcome.
Thank you all for your help
Roberto

Hello Roberto,

Here are some suggestions:



-www.bedandbreakfastflorence.com/ is # 1 and has apr of 5

Why?

You have more links to your site than #1 but he has 190 pages in google
that point to his page you have only 23

The numbers reflect the number of web pages that point to the selected site.
Your higher on all the other search engines

-www.poderelecave.com
total 3073
all the web 970
alta vista 1090
google 23
MSN 990

for #1
-www.bedandbreakfastflorence.com
total 2839
all the web 536
alta vista 1640
google 190
MSN 473


Now what I recommend
Improve your linking strategy, try something like linkmetro.com or something

like that.
Check your links with this free tool
http://www.checkyourlinkpopularity.com

Another recommendation is to look at what #1 is doing and you are not

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First Your title
<TITLE>Bed and Breakfast Florence, Italy - luxury bed and breakfast

accommodation in florence and Chianti area with Podere le Cave</TITLE>
Look at # 1

<title>Bed and Breakfast in Florence Italy | Florence Bed and Breakfast

Accommodation</title>

From here you play with your description, your first and second keyword,
your h1, h2, and your anchor text they all have to be the same look at #1
______________________________________
Your anchor text; the last statement in your page should say
Bed and Breakfast Florence
Look at # 1

Legal Disclaimer | Contact Us! | Top |

Top |

..


# 1 has a smart page same as the keyword that links back to itself

So you may need to create descriptive pages in other websites that are

indexed in google to link back to your first page.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Last statement
<font color="#FFFFFF">Florence bed and breakfast

accommodation</font></body>
</html>

-------------------------------------------------------

All other pages are pr3 only the first page is pr5

One last recommendation, one link before the last one should
link to a PR8 or PR9 of a related keyword to a goverment or non profit
organization non competitive with your site.

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create pages with this mispelled words that link to your main page using
this tool
http://www.sport-auctions.com/spelling.php

like this ("ebd and breakfast in florence", "bde and breakfast in florence", "be

dand breakfast in florence", "beda nd breakfast in florence", "bed nad

breakfast in florence", "bed adn breakfast in florence", "bed an dbreakfast in

florence", "bed andb reakfast in florence", "bed and rbeakfast in florence",

"bed and berakfast in florence", "bed and braekfast in florence", "bed and

brekafast in florence", "bed and breafkast in florence", "bed and breakafst in

florence", "bed and breakfsat in florence", "bed and breakfats in florence",

"bed and breakfas tin florence")


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I hope this helps,

Roger

[webitaly]

Frankly speaking I have never heard that exchanging links is a black hat seo... Expecially if I exchange links ONLY with related sites.
I have link exchanges like this on many other websites (more than 30) and they all are ranking very well. So, I think the problem have to be found elswhere

[webitaly]

Thank you very much Roger for your helpful tips.
I am thinking on each of your suggestion. If you find more, you are welcome!
Thank you again

[Heal3r]

This is a total shot in the dark...

based on this idea of Latent Semantic indexing (yah)

I suspect many people will see their rankings drop. If I understand it correctly. Those who focus on a particular phrase and get tons of links for that phrase, may not fare as well as those with a diversity of key word phrases links.

and again, for the record...

I know nothing.

[zephyrireland]

Have you made any changes to the content on your site ?
Adding extra content, or changing your text content without reviewing your search engine strategy / optimisation , can have an impact on your SE Results.

[Web-Weaver]

Your anchor text; the last statement in your page should say
Bed and Breakfast Florence
Look at # 1

Legal Disclaimer | Contact Us! | Top |

Top |

..


# 1 has a smart page same as the keyword that links back to itself

So you may need to create descriptive pages in other websites that are

indexed in google to link back to your first page.
----------------------------------------------------------------

rogerbeta, I agree with most everything you said but I'm not so sure about the idea of using a single period to link to a keyword-rich html page name. I know the #1 site did it but what does Google think about it? Seems a little risky to me.

Also, creating other web sites in order to link back to your own site is referred to as creating "gateway pages" is it not? I thought that was also a risky grey hat proposition, particularly if you don't have the savvy to host them on different IP blocks. Was I understanding you correctly?

I'm certainly not saying you're wrong...just thought I knew my stuff and was surprised by these suggestions from someone who sounds like they know their stuff too. If they are valid SEO techniques I want to use them too!! ;-)

Mark

[activeco]

Frankly speaking I have never heard that exchanging links is a black hat seo... Expecially if I exchange links ONLY with related sites.

Nothing is carved in the stone. What worked yesterday doesn't have to work today.
You may be interested in this Google link.

Summary:

...even though improved algorithms have promoted a transition away from paid or exchanged links towards earned organic links, there still seems to be some confusion within the market about what the most effective link strategy is. So when taking advice from your SEO consultant, keep in mind that nowadays search engines reward sweat-of-the-brow work on content that bait natural links given by choice.

[rogerbeta]

rogerbeta, I agree with most everything you said but I'm not so sure about the idea of using a single period to link to a keyword-rich html page name. I know the #1 site did it but what does Google think about it? Seems a little risky to me.

Also, creating other web sites in order to link back to your own site is referred to as creating "gateway pages" is it not? I thought that was also a risky grey hat proposition, particularly if you don't have the savvy to host them on different IP blocks. Was I understanding you correctly?

I'm certainly not saying you're wrong...just thought I knew my stuff and was surprised by these suggestions from someone who sounds like they know their stuff too. If they are valid SEO techniques I want to use them too!! ;-)

Mark

Yes you are right, but your
webweaverservices.com links to your other two sites which are on different subjects.

It is no just IP blocks, but you can use different hosting companies.

Anyway you can get a #1 listing in yahoo and msn and keep it for many months, with google is different, you need to create more and more pages with content, I heard that you need at least 50 pages, and how old is your site and how fast you build it, it is a long term process, and before you do anything check google rules.

The best technique to get links is to write or buy articles related to your keywords, and submit them to the different Article Directories, and at the same time putting a small summary at your keyword named blog, just like this quitsmokingaudio.blogspot.com the articles link back to the article page and to the home page.

You can also create a resource page where you can link to 3 or 4 of your sites like this one -www.quitsmokingaudio.com/resource.html