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Thread: Microsoft Leaks Memo, Plots With Yahoo

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    Microsoft Leaks Memo, Plots With Yahoo

    Shadowy skullduggery, twilight tete-a-tetes, and disseminated disinformation may have all been part of rumored talks between Yahoo and Microsoft about their online rival, Google.

    While it doesn't quite match Smiley and Karla meeting on the bridge in Smiley's People for intensity, the idea that Microsoft and Yahoo have conducted clandestine coffee-klatchs and mused over the downfall of Google just sounds so, well, 1970s.

    Instead of the delicate and exacting tradecraft of spymasters being employed by the second and third place companies in terms of search engine market share, the Wall Street Journal reported that the duo, Microsoft and Yahoo, have been quietly conversing, while sources "familiar with the situation" informing on their corporate masters.

    Perhaps we can cast Redmond in the role of Soviet-era Russia, and Yahoo as the Iron Curtain-wearing East Germany. Both seek to undermine the American influence of Google during the Cold War. The bullets in this battle won't be fired from automatic weapons, though.

    No, contextual ads have proven more damaging in the Cold War of paid search than any fusillade of automatic weapons fire. Google, the West, has grown and prospered, while the East has stagnated behind the West, envied its wealth, drifted behind in the search technology arena.

    Separate, they haven't been able to make inroads. Not that they have not been trying. Yahoo has its improved search advertising relevance algorithms in testing with "Project Panama." Sometime soon, Yahoo may bring Panama in from the cold of Scandinavia, and test it in the United Kingdom this summer.

    Microsoft has been belligerent and vocal in developing its search ad rival called adCenter. On occasion, it has been aggressive in touting its paid search technology. Those with long enough memories may recall video of Khruschev at the United Nations in 1960, pounding a shoe on a table in defiance of the assembly and sending Americans to bed wondering if the next sunrise would be the start of a nuclear winter.

    The younger audience only needs to recall the tale of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, allegedly throwing a chair upon learning of a subordinate's defection, to imagine similar anger. If that ever happened, of course.

    Today, Yahoo delivers contextual advertising to its potentially closer ally, Microsoft. But that relationship ends when June does, and adCenter steps in to replace Overture throughout Microsoft's online properties.

    That closeness received some emphasis as a purportedly leaked internal email from Ballmer to the Redmondians found its way to the Seattle Times. A fist-pumping Ballmer, likely echoing a pose from his collegiate athletic days, appears with the article.

    Ballmer told Microsoft's employees that the company would make "heavy investments" in Internet search. "[O]ur goal is to create the Web's largest advertising network, giving us an engine that will enable us to monetize our services and compete against Google," Ballmer wrote.

    They won one skirmish recently, possibly the equivalent of Alex Leamas being cornered and gunned down in an alley at the end of "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold." Amazon ditched Google web search in favor of Microsoft for the Alexa and A9 websites.

    That probably wasn't a significant wound to Google, but it drew blood nonetheless. Microsoft and Yahoo want to bleed Google more. Reportedly, they have been discussing how to do so.

    Microsoft took one step that reinforces the Ballmer Memo, by luring Steve Berkowitz from Ask.com to take control of MSN.

    There's money to spend in Redmond's war coffers, in the billions. They could spend it on Yahoo. It doesn't make sense to do that though. Unless Microsoft wanted to buy Overture and/or Project Panama to complement MSN adCenter, and combine their ad networks.

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    Yahoo!! Oops, sorry, I meant "Hooray!" Score one for free enterprise and down with the evil Google empire. I have a very modest little vintage watch web store (HeritageWatches.com) and I've been in the evil giant's sandbox for a year and am still not ranked under any of my major search terms. Google won't rank me and won't tell me why, but both Microsoft and Yahoo crawl my site almost daily it seems and I am listed well with them under all my search terms. They didn't ask if I was new or if I 'deserved' a fair listing in competition with other dealers and information web sites. They just ranked me based on my content, title, key words etc. The great and powerful Google on the other hand, seems to make either value judgements (this one is worthy, this one isn't) or they are deliberately blackmailing me into using their pay-per-click. Google controls too much of the net and some serious competition will be good for all of us (free enterprise?) So what's wrong with the two underdogs joining forces to battle the giant? This article is so slanted (Google is the West i.e. the good guys and Microsoft and Yahoo are the evil communists banging their shoe on the table because they can't compete?)
    When Nixon said "I am not a crook" my antenna went up, and when Google tells us they will "do no evil" that too raised the hackles on the back of my neck. I find far more SEARCH RELEVANCE on Microsoft and Yahoo than on Google. If my humble little web site can't get an organic ranking from Google, it makes me wonder what infromation they are holding back from me when I do other searches on other topics. Time for change.

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    I love Google. If it were not for them I would have to take a "real" job.

    But, I would really like to see a closer competitive race with the other guys. Good competition keeps the prices fair.

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    Competing with Google

    Yahoo and MSN getting together won't solve the problem.

    Google - say 60% share
    Yahoo + MSN - say 35% share

    Google will plough its on furrow, gobbling up more market share and advertising revenue. Meanwhile, Yahoo and MSN will create liaison teams and working parties to put together plans whereby they can align their businesses and achieve mythical synergies and economies of scale. In 2 years time Google will have 75% market share and our two cooperators will have just 20%.

    Each of the two protagonists need to tackle the competitive technological and attendant branding issues. Google is just so far ahead.
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    Tarek Najm was invited to review this solution...for those that know about matching engines...this proposal is almost as simple and stupid as search ad technology providing for geographic targteing--and an idea that has taken up until two months ago to be released by goog... what are these people thinking about???..or is everyone so full of themselves that they can't see the trees through the forest? http://www.matchenginemarketing.com/

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    Awww man...and I was just starting to like MSN...

    Well, in my eyes, this is bad news, I never like Yahoo, but maybe that is a personal issue.

    I'm not sure if it's a great thing that this market is consolidating.

    Do we really want only two major players in a market that controls so much information to the world?

    What if they all decided to get together and deliver the exact same results?

    I believe in competition, and I don't think the joining of MSN & Yahoo will do anything to encourage actual competition.

    Plus Microsoft Live looks pretty good.
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    This is VERY interesting...

    With the new Windows Vista in the winds... and the impending lauch of www.live.com its going to be pretty exciting this next 12 months.

    Watching this Microsoft / Google war will be fun!

    better pick your sides!!!

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    Too much ado about nothing, dutter

    Perhaps we can cast Redmond in the role of Soviet-era Russia, and Yahoo as the Iron Curtain-wearing East Germany. Both seek to undermine the American influence of Google during the Cold War. The bullets in this battle won't be fired from automatic weapons, though.
    It was called a cold war because, erm, no bullets were fired. You kind of insinuate the opposite when you say 'though', d'oh!

    I wonder if that is what you guys are taught at school about cold war? I doubt the American educational system has gone down so badly, but putting Google as 'the American influence' and Microsoft and Yahoo as the 'commies' is one of the most unimaginative and forced analogies one could hack out of his own ignorance and googling. What is this? Some historical collage gotten from Wikipedia and about.com spluttered out as pseudo-knowledge?

    As to the 'American influence' during the cold war, I can only think of the decades of dictatorship, we had to endure from the hands of one too many Latin-American generals the American Government helped to put and keep in power. Pinochet is just one of them, if your little research on cold war yelded the name under the topic of American influence.

    They won one skirmish recently, possibly the equivalent of Alex Leamas being cornered and gunned down in an alley at the end of "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold."
    I think that is more likely to be the source you are basing all this cold war-google-yahoo blah blah blah. As a writer you should know best how not to mix real historical facts with cheap pulp fiction.

    Now, as someone writing about this industry, you should be used to companies pairing up together to take over another's market. So, what is the big deal, petal?

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    Never dismiss Microsloth out of the equation - they seem to have a nack at 'coming from behind' :)
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    Re: Competing with Google

    Quote Originally Posted by dburdon
    Google - say 60% share
    Yahoo + MSN - say 35% share
    Right.

    Unless your doing good on MSN, LOL.

    Bottom line combining (partnering) is not the solution, educating the public is. Of course public Joe is in love with Google because we have trained him/her to be.

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