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    Searching For Anonymity: It's Personal

    Until the four major US search engines were subpoenaed by the government, searcher anonymity and privacy was a yawn of concern for most, even if there were a few Paul Reveres out there. After complying with the order, though MSN and others promised no personally identifiable information was given, the slippery slope got a whole lot slicker.

    Among the indignant protests that came noisily tumbling to the front of our minds was a recollection of the Fourth Amendment. But EPIC.org's Sherwin Siy, speaking to a surprisingly small group at SES NY, says the Fourth Amendment, which protects citizens from unlawful search and seizure, doesn't apply in civil matters.

    The panel assembled for the Search and Privacy track at SES also included MSN's Ramez Naam, SearchEngineWatch.com's Danny Sullivan, and Columbia Law School professor Tim Wu.

    Wu, who co-authored the book "Who Controls the Internet?: Illusions of a Borderless World," framed it as a civil liberties issue that went beyond the US government.

    "This just the beginning," said Wu, giving a harrowing prediction of abuse by governments around the world. "There are many governments that are interested in this," he said.

    Perhaps even more eye opening, the panel agreed that the better a company is at aggregating data, and not destroying it, the more attractive that data will be to government entities.

    The issue of privacy isn't so much about what the US Dept. of Justice received, which was a basic list of queries and time frames. The issue surrounded what could be obtained in the future. Wu was quick to mention that European law was much stricter about user privacy than US law.

    As WebProNews has covered in the past, the index kept by search engines like Google may have a tremendous amount of personally identifiable information that at the very least has a registered IP address. But some query logs will also hold an email address if a personalized service is used.

    Siy pointed out that a subpoena to an Internet service provider would reveal to the government (or others) who was using a specific IP address. But also at issue here is the impact the ease of information retrieval has on the culture.

    Public records, for example, at one time were difficult to find. Siy said they "went from the basement to the Web and are easily discovered. Until the information was available online, it wasn't worth it to anyone to find it."

    But public records and publicly viewable information are a small hiccup compared the personal information Web users trade on a daily basis to acquire the services they desire.

    "It's a value exchange," said Naam, referencing the benefits of personalization services offered by high-profile companies like Google, AOL, Yahoo, and MSN. Users agree to trade a little (or a lot) of privacy to make their online experience richer.

    The key question, then, is whether the benefits of personalized service outweigh a certain level of privacy. The personal information granted to Google is stored on Google's server. How long will the search engine be able to resist government subpoenas at home and abroad?

    If a Web user is willing to forgo personalized features, they can use anonymizing software to help maintain their privacy.

    Toward the end of the session, Sullivan expressed the need for some sort of Search Privacy Bill of Rights, and/or some kind of privacy notification posted on websites if only to avoid subpoena.
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    Who cares. If it help to protect us and personal info is not collected.

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    While this time the US gov't only asked for search terms, it is not a huge step to see them asking for user ids generated by personalized searches which they deem a “security risk”.

    Big Brother is watching and listening.
    Orwell was not far off the mark.

    In building a database such as Google is doing, it serves them to obtain as much user data as possible. Given some effort each user can be traced back to their physical location.

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    Searching For Anonymity: It's Personal

    I personally believe that users should be given an option to what is included but at the same time going straight back on that how do you control the perverts, spammers and criminals?


    There needs to be a balance that can be obtained whereby there restrictions in place that allow the surfer to be free from somethings and yet monitored in some way that is not intrusive.

    Impossible!

    regulation is coming whichever way you look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RegDCP
    While this time the US gov't only asked for search terms, it is not a huge step to see them asking for user ids generated by personalized searches which they deem a “security risk”.

    Big Brother is watching and listening.
    Orwell was not far off the mark.

    In building a database such as Google is doing, it serves them to obtain as much user data as possible. Given some effort each user can be traced back to their physical location.

    Reg
    If I recall correctly it was not just search terms which was requested but a full weeks search data, which I believe will include information from your Google cookie, your IP address and much more. It ahs also been pointed out that while this information was not requested it is possible for those with Gmail or other Google accounts to have thier searches tied to those accounts which do include personal information, including such things as address and phone number.

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    Google does collect IP's and URL's from their searches. I would think that it is the back vone of the adsense program. Done in the name of anti-fraud but can be very easily manipulated to see wht you like and what you do online.

    The problem from where I stand is that Google started GMail on the promise of large inboxes and long storage. If you logged into your GMail account today with your IP and later surfed the next looking for ABC widgets, Google can easily say that you Mr K are looking for widgets. You can tie all of these services together to give you a very big global picture.

    The terms and conditions of GMail tell you that you have no real rights in terms of privacy. Add Google's personal search on your computer to this and the potential is mind blowing!

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    Only one search engine that does NOT record your searches

    its called congoo.com

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    Why Google keep the personal information stored on Google's server? what is the guarantee that they are not going to misuse it, I guess google want to acquire the top position by making their users more dependent on them.
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    google and privacy

    If you do not want your data in public domain I guess using the following methods can help

    1 Use a Robots.txt to prevent site content from getting indexed by search engines http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/faq.html

    2. Password protect either using .htaccess or user authentication systems to deny access

    Since if your information is lying in the public domain, One day or other the search engine spiders are bound to get hold of it.
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