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    Ok what type of pic do you want ones with lots of lights or ones with racks. Lets see how this thread turns now can we stay the course or go sexy on webpro?

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    We're leaning towards...



    I'm seriously considering 4 of those and one of the below.



    The Dell would just be a mail server.
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    I'm a rack man (take that however you want. )

    Brian...that's better. But come on, we need bigger racks!

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    Sorry, Adam.

    Sorry, Adam. Those are at your local Hooters.

    Ok, seriously now, those are plenty big. 1U servers, but big none the less.

    The Sun boxes will be 6 core, 4 threads per core. They're the T1000's that caromero1965 suggested. 8GB of RAM in 2 of them, 4GB in the other 2. I've figured out how to handle clustering of the MySQL database and how to handle the Apache load balancing with down server protection.

    The Dell box is just a Xeon with 2GB of RAM and some mirrored drives. I did figure out how to handle fail-over protection for the mail servers as well, though.

    I'll still use our Google mini as well, so we'll have 6U of 1U racks. It should look pretty cool being smashed close together in our data center.

    I'll take some photos when I get them out of the boxes, unless I decide to go a different direction. I just can't see that happening at the moment. This fits our budget fairly well and has 3 years of 4 hour on-site service included in the price for all of them.

    Having 24 CPU threads per web server and for each of the database servers should be a huge boost over what we have now. Then I just need to do some additional traffic building so I can max those out as well. That, and fill up our new call center. It's got well over triple the capacity of our current one - just as soon as we move to our new building (about a month from starting to move). Hey, it's like we're getting everything new! No wonder we're all so broke.

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    Ok guys all playing a side it sounds if you have made your mind up. So lets move on to the next topic which I have posted. You guys should check it out it's about BMW and Goggle.

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    A link for Adam

    Ok, so Adam wanted more sexy pictures of servers. Well, I can't post them here, but I'll give a link to pictures of naked Dell servers.

    I'll show off the rest when they get here, but that's the web servers we ended up with. The database backend needed more horsepower, so it's got a little bigger processors. I'll also show off the load balancers when I locate those pictures again.

    I had my PC crash, so I don't have all the pictures I wanted to post easily available.

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    Hello, I'm new here, but I wanted to tell you that the new dell poweredge is compact, fits great in a rack, and as a mail server works fantastic, only drag is that I couldn't get fedora to run on it, You should go with Linux enterprise. One of my customers bought one 6 months ago, and he's hosting 3.500 webmail accounts (university) and it works great, no issues whatsoever so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design
    If it's a straight web server, 2 GB RAM should be fine. I'm running 512 on mine, and have also set up web servers on 1 GB without issue.
    I have 1 GB ram and 3 disks on my 4 year old home computer.

    Quote Originally Posted by brian.mark
    I got a decent budget allocated to look at web servers. I've looked at SGI, Dell, HP, IBM, Penguin Computing and Sun.

    Our basic requirements are as follows:

    1) High Availability
    2) Scalability

    Given that we're at a datacenter and have limited rack space, we're looking at something like a blade setup.
    Why not build it yourself?

    1. Apache + Linux + ... + is free.

    2. Order them directly from Taiwan.

    Kw: Search

    Transputer

    Connection Machines

    Thinking Machines

    Paralell OR distributed computing.

    QNX, c linda

    Imagine 200 CPU's and 500 1+ GB Memory components connected without boxes around them (dust may be potential bugs, so you should have a form of shield around them. Sterile, firesafe room?).

    And it is scalable and flexible.

    My personal view: Hardware without software is "worht"(use)less. Let the need for future (think 5 years ahead at least) software requirements decide your choice of software. Choosing hardware with Intel / Sparc, Motorola ... processors is the least problem. Reduce that problem to motherboard and memory and other components that do not make bottlenecks.

    My loose thoughts.

    P.S.

    You do not need to know the implementation of a class to use it. You do not need to know the inner workings of hardware components to connect them to a supercomputer.

    You have to send some students to Norway / Denmark to study BETA.

    In a nutshell BETA is a compact, minimalistic efficient OOP language, especially suited for distributed computing.

    The need for computing power is increasing nonlinearily for some companies.

    IMO, you pay too much for the box.

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    Re: A link for Adam

    Quote Originally Posted by brian.mark
    Ok, so Adam wanted more sexy pictures of servers. Well, I can't post them here, but I'll give a link to pictures of naked Dell servers.

    I'll show off the rest when they get here, but that's the web servers we ended up with. The database backend needed more horsepower, so it's got a little bigger processors. I'll also show off the load balancers when I locate those pictures again.

    I had my PC crash, so I don't have all the pictures I wanted to post easily available.

    Brian.
    Got a budget - need new server advice?

    "Your comment has been saved and will be visible after blog owner approval".

    Outdated?

    IMO, not an optimal combination of box(es) and other hardware.

    And do not forget the importance of alogorithms. If you have the right algorithms, you may beat a supercomputer on some tasks with an old 386.

    Simple example sorting:
    Buble sort. N x N time.
    Quick, merge, heap sort a(N log(N)) time.
    Radix sort linear time. aN

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    Re: A link for Adam

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun
    Got a budget - need new server advice?

    "Your comment has been saved and will be visible after blog owner approval".

    Outdated?

    IMO, not an optimal combination of box(es) and other hardware.

    And do not forget the importance of alogorithms. If you have the right algorithms, you may beat a supercomputer on some tasks with an old 386.
    Outdated, eh? Dual Opteron 275's are outdated? Well, whatever.

    Brian.
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