Is "Jagger" a Major Google Marketing Error?

[greeneagle]

"To say Google is not trying to communicate is not correct. Read Cutts blog..."

What does Cutt's blog say besides they are cutting out more SPAM? - There is nothiing for the fallout there!

Old history and nothing more! What about the incidentals here? - This is "bloody" for many (a very large number) innocent at a very bad time!

Every update is about cutting out more SPAM - What revelation does Cutt's blog really provide here?

I thought we were talking beyond normal spam filtering advancements here...weren't we?

Cutt's blog provides no clue for the problems being discussed here!

Ken

[s_clay]

OK - So I imagined that my site suddenly fell into oblivion on Goog.

What do I do? After getting over the sheer panic...

Read posts like yours and go f***ing A right!

Then thank my stars that I still rank on Y & M.

Then realize that this is the game I signed up for. I have no lease, or any right beyond the subjective value that my content offers, to the real estate on Google's site.

Then I would have to evaluate my business model. Do I believe in it? Will it work? How can I make it work? Once I had the answers, I'd get busy with the plan. Once again.

One thing I have learned in business is that change happens. There is always something - suppliers get sold, key people move on, clients move on; sh*t happens and the internet world is just like the brick and morter world. It's business.

Maybe they should have called this update "Heartbreak Ridge".

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

[greeneagle]

"...Once I had the answers, I'd get busy with the plan. Once again.

One thing I have learned in business is that change happens. There is always something - suppliers get sold, key people move on, clients move on; sh*t happens and the internet world is just like the brick and morter world. It's business.

Maybe they should have called this update "Heartbreak Ridge".

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome."

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... We all agree with that, but where, how and why? - We can all be as esoteric as we want.. but I and others, especially those that were depending on GOOGLE SERPS to feed families and kids through the Christmas season really need something a little more "concrete" regarding this update, and we are all having trouble finding out what happened this time around!

A Major Marketing Error - This one is serious - IMO! A large contengent are not happy this time... Probably a larger contengent than in any previous update, judging by the input in our Forums here!

IMHO - There was absolutely no reason for some of the sites that fell completely out of the SERPs this time to take that kind of hit!!! Mine and several others I have reviewed, didn't even have a detectable known "Gray Hat" practice going on!!

VERY, VERY POOR MARKETING on the GOOGs part, and I'll stand by that position!

Ken

[greeneagle]

Come on GOOG.. You were bad boys this time... At this point you have wiped out millions in projected revenue over the Christmas Season and wasted thousands of companies in the "Jagger" update, and the best of us just can't figure out why.

What's the deal with that?

We need a little help here.

How about some communication?

Get your Marketing Department and Public Relations Departments working together... IMO - There is something really serious lacking there!

Thanks,

Ken

[aaron2005]

Come on GOOG.. You were bad boys this time... At this point you have wiped out millions in projected revenue over the Christmas Season and wasted thousands of companies in the "Jagger" update, and the best of us just can't figure out why.

What's the deal with that?

We need a little help here.

How about some communication?

Get your Marketing Department and Public Relations Departments working together... IMO - There is something really serious lacking there!

Thanks,

Ken

Yep, I tend to agree, Google is so removed from the actual results that they know less than you folks do.

Is it a fact that new sites have to wait a year or more just to get a single result from google? No let me correct myself, you wait 6 months then your site appears and stays at #600 for your keyword, so you go to the forums and find out how the so called "experts" do it, you get some backlinks and maybe even sign up for LinkmarketHell.com and dig your hole deeper...LOL!

God I hate this stuff! ;-(

[nipplecharms1]

Maybe what we are really looking at is the beginning of 4th QTR 05 and 1st QRT ‘06 income statements.

Bare (no pun intended) with me on this for a second.

Gizizzle is at an all time high in the market. What’s next? They do not have Gizizzle v2.1 to release but they do have a food stream, if I am not wrong, and I don’t think I am, in ADWORDS.

Stay with me here.... All you cats (my site included) that took a hit, you are thinking to yourself... Christmas time, holiday, EOY and ROI projections. Dang, let my buy some adword space just until the dusts settles. But the dust on this "Mick and the boys" thing wont really settle. And you start to like some of the Adwords results. You start to understand it...

Ok, I am almost finished here.... You keep doing the SERP $hit but you keep the adwords cause some of them do pull traffic (like I would pay a buck for a click, not likely) and some of you will stick with it.

Ok, the finish. This impacts Gizizzles bottom line for the street. They do yet another major update say July '06. Another round of poor schmucks like me (ok not me but small time Charlie's) that will fork over $5-$10 bucks a day, everyday... and the next thing you know.. Gizizzle is staying the 800-lb. gorilla.

Bill, Gates, what F? You need another 45BUSD! When is Redmond going to step up to the plate and bring their mediocre brilliance to the table. I would rather have consistent search engine platforms than what Gizizzle is plying us with now.

Sour Grapes? Maybe; maybe not. Just an old time marketing guy trying to make sense of it all.

Is it too early for my second Martini?

Your comments are most welcome. Ciao!

Michael

[google junky]

nipplecharms1,

That was probably the most entertaning post I have read in a long time. It actually kept my attention. Even if I don't get very much relevent information out of most posts I read other than reading the same response over and over. Keep giving me a reason to read Michael.


Good luck in all you do,
Google Junky

[greeneagle]

No "Sour Grapes" here... They need to be more communicative and move major updates from the beginning of the 4th quarter to the 1st quarter, so businesses, webmasters and everyone else have time to react without so much devistation to online livlihoods.

This has happened 2 years in a row now. If I were at the helm there, I would seriously consider replacing my "Marketing" and "Public Relations" Directors, without hesitation!

Evidently, they are not doing their job and communicating with Engineering. There seems to be a harsh (marked) miscommunication (or lack there of) problem in their corporate structure.

Ken

[greeneagle]

With all due respect....

I hope others will join me in the call for GOOGLE to move major updates out of the 4th quarter, where everyone has time to react so that it isn't so detrimental to online livlihoods.

Ken

[DMC_34]

They need to be more communicative and move major updates from the beginning of the 4th quarter to the 1st quarter, so businesses, webmasters and everyone else have time to react without so much devistation to online livlihoods.

The affected sites do have time to react, and Google knows this. Its called Adwords. This is why Google loves to do it in the 4th quarter, holiday season.

DMC