FireFox

[Izzmo]

So, what do you guys think of FireFox for Designing purposes, coding, and just plain browsing? Now, don't get me wrong, FireFox is good for just a casual browser and not a heavy forum talker or designer/coder. FireFox seems to mess the smallest things up like at WebProWorld Forums, right here. I try and post a reply and I click on the submit button, but the stupid thing keeps going to the Preview page instead, and after about 10 times, it finally goes through. I go to IE though, and it will never happen.

Don't get me wrong, FF is a good browser, I even support the http://www.SpreadFireFox.com and putting their link on my site.

So, what do you guys think about FireFox? Suggestions, Comments? Please state your issues!

[Faglork]

a) I do not get any of the problems you mentioned.

b) I use FF as only browser now, others only for compatibility checking. I have almost no issues whatsoever, except when encountering some non-DOM-compatible javascript (I ignore those sites anyway). Forums? No probs. Maybe you should check your caching options.

c) I use FF as main development tool (with the help of a handful of excellent extensions), and it enables me to code almost error-free, cross-browser-compatible pages from scratch (I code by hand). I can't even think how I could ever live without that - it speeds up development by lightyears (just kidding but it is fast - ask ctabuk ...)

d) If you code valid xhtml strict (and employ the corresponding DTD!!), there will be almost no cross-browser issues, as long as you feed IE 5 the distorted values it needs (a.k.a. "broken box model"). Problems will arise if you code for non-compliant browsers or compliant browsers in "quirks mode", so take care of your DTDs. Cross-browser issues are - in most cases - the result of non-standard or broken code or, as mentioned, wrong DTDs.

Alex

[InfoMiner]

Who in their right mind argue that IE is better than FireFox? You've either just come back from Mars or had a time lapse of about two years or so. Do a simple Google search regarding this issue, you will find yourself a many more arguments on this subject.

[Izzmo]

Weird.. I just had to switch over to Internet Explorer right now to reply to this because FF was messing up again.

I just got a new error: I try to type something in a input box and the STUPID FIND BAR keeps popping up and won't let me type.

I've already tried reinstalling, doesn't help. At this rate, I'm thinking about totally UNsupporting firefox and going to a site where it hates it.. who knows.

[Faglork]

Weird.. I just had to switch over to Internet Explorer right now to reply to this because FF was messing up again.

You should correctly state "my installation of firefox was messing up again", since many others here use firefox in this forum without any problems.

It's not firefox ... I made all my contributions to WPW (quite a lot) with FF.

Alex

[ADAM Web Design]

Who in their right mind argue that IE is better than FireFox? You've either just come back from Mars or had a time lapse of about two years or so. Do a simple Google search regarding this issue, you will find yourself a many more arguments on this subject.

There are also tons of results on Google supporting White Pride, alien encounters, and zoophilia. What's your point? That because some people support it, and that their viewpoints have somehow gotten into Google SERPs, that their viewpoints are correct?

And even if the majority did support your viewpoint (and browser statistics indicate that they don't), we also believed in chucking women off of cliffs to see if they were witches and curing illness with bloodsucking leeches. The majority doesn't always make the right call.

IE doesn't use 1/5 of the machine resource FF does. And that's before "extensions".

IE doesn't have a safe mode because it doesn't need one. No browser should need a safe mode. Period. This is just insane.

IE doesn't publish its source code, making it available to anyone with black hat intentions.

IE, if configured correctly along with one's computer in general, can run without intrusion.

IE doesn't have the disadvantage of having volunteer coders that would likely not give FF their first priority if and when something goes wrong. If you're using a browser for commercial purposes, then this is an issue.

IE has some cool CSS filters (e.g. the MS Gradient) that FF doesn't.

FF is bloatware. Come on...how many of you would
actually USE all of those searches in the search bar FF provides? "Oh, but they can be customized." Gimme a damn break. Most people have maybe 1 or 2 engines that they use and that's it.

The only reason FF is "updated" more frequently than IE is simply because it has to be. You launch a new product, there are going to be screwups.

The "marketing" for FF is just ridiculous. "Take back the web." From who? Who owns it? Microsoft, based on browser share? Oh my god. This could be a serious problem considering they make $0 off of the browser.

"But it's supplied with Windows, and you can't get rid of it, and they're making money off of the operating system so in a way it's commercial." First of all, if you don't use it, it doesn't take up resource. So people do have the choice. Second, many ISPs (e.g. Bell Sympatico) do supply multiple browsers as part of their installation software. So it's not like people don't have a choice. Third, if that is the case, why doesn't FF go ahead and build a whole OS around the browser to compete? If MS has laid out the rules of the game like that, then FF should if they're smart be playing along.

Microsoft creates packages of software and ties them together with one another better than any other company. Is this wrong? I don't think so. Try taking the body of a Honda, drop a Ford engine into that, maybe a radiator from a Chevy, and see how it works. With software, it's the same concept.

The ONLY thing that I prefer in FF over IE, and this goes back to the Netscape days, is the Javascript console. If IE adopted that, i would have no practical use for FF at all.

As far as rendering of web pages, I've found that IE generally gets more right than FF in about a 3-3.5:1 margin.

IE > FF.

[xmx]

I like Firefox, but I should say I like Mozilla.

Firefox is a light version of Mozilla that includes
also the Composer that is a HTML editor.

Strange fact, I installed yesterday the google bar
on my firefox and had problems with the bookmarks
not loading correctly all the times.

I uninstalled that extension and everything worked
correctly again.

[Izzmo]

I agree.

The only real use I have for FF is the tabbing. Other than that.. don't care... screws up more things than it does good.. but yet I still use it.. who knows.

[DesignerNews5]

Why do you IE guys spend so much time bashing Firefox? A quick look at your portfolio work shows invalid coding and amateurish design work (at best).

As long as you’re producing ragged design crap, nobody is going to listen to your glorious reviews of IE. Less time writing and more time learning, don’t you think?

[ADAM Web Design]

DesignerNews5: And what have you done to establish yourself as someone any of us should be listening to? All I've seen from you so far is "You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, Firefox is great." And nothing else.

Either come up with something, ANYTHING, legitimate to back up your claim (which I don't think you can) and then show YOUR wonderful coding on something you've done that will establish you as someone we should listen to, or just admit you have nothing and move on. In other words, put up or shut up.