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    Hi All,
    I think that it really depends on your level of service and then the needs or wants of the business. Granted, I can't say that I am much for cold calling especially in the areas of web design or hosting as I've been a web site designer and seo geek since 1995. And then I took all of my previous experience and skills and started a hosting company..

    So generally, If someone calls about a service that I already offer, then cold calls are annoying.. It's like reading my inbox everyday to find all the latest hosting deals or web design deals.. And I think to myself... Obviously, this dude hasn't been to our site or seen the design... Now, I'm not a perfect designer but I consider myself to be pretty good to say the least.

    But just like with every business, something comes along that either sounds like it can be useful or it just is.. These are the types of calls that really do not bother me..

    So I think that overall, If you are in the web design business and you cold call to poeple who are not in the same business, then there is allot of room to pick up new clients here and there.. And the same goes for any other type of business..

    Just my thoughts,
    Chris

    BTW: I also think that one of the easiest ways to generate new business for designers is to pick some popular software that support themes.. Offer custom template designs and work out some sort of deal with the company in exchange for giving you some business. I know that we've received requests before and since we offer hosting but no longer offer web design, there really is allot of potential business that just goes on by.. But the problem here is really finding designers that you can trust that won't just disappear.. That's probably one of the main reasons why cold calling work's for a designer who shows interest by calling a business. Because normally, a business will call or email a designer only to find that they never got an answer.

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    Cold Calling

    Its very interesting discussion.

    My observations on cold calling (There may not be any scientiffic reasoning /analysis behind these, but just observations or personal experience.)

    1) Cold calling Friday is very effective. Suspect to Prospect ratio is very high as compare to other days.

    2) Cold calling effectiveness vary according to geographical area, local culture. Eg. Our experience is , East coast businesses are more receptive to cold calls than west coast.

    Please share your experience and comment.

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    To call or not to call?!?

    Dear all, I must 2/3 agree with Mr. "Clerk"

    1/3 - You are skipping a number of steps and saving ever dissapearing valuable time by actually dialing your potential client; for one - the client must be aware of you and your service - if you got a chance - its covered @ the first phone call.

    1/3 - 3 usual replies, besides hello and goodbye (which could mean a No);-lets think positive - Yes, maybe (+more info)or call me tomorrow... - you can start gathering the requirements right over the phone, if appropriate; try again at another date, or move on to another lucky person that is sitting by the phone and is looking for ways to become more competitive (growth) or one way or another benefit from the service/product you're offering...

    The last 1/3rd, which I do not agree with is the fact that someone is actually looking for YOU on the web... If you do not offer an additional opportunity to find you - YOUR potential client will find some one else...

    Do you need to spend some time on SEO – a 1/3rd will do...

    Personally, - I'm still at times fighting the burning door knobs syndrome --

    --Wish for you to find your own cure...

    Best of Luck to ALL!

    Regards,

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    businesses are not covered by telemarketing laws

    businesses are not covered by telemarketing laws
    You are wrong...

    NEW laws ( at least in the UK)
    exist

    See:-
    http://www.solutions.ukdots.com/adve...g_methods.html (section Telephone calling)

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    businesses are not covered by telemarketing laws

    New UK legislation from June 25th 2004 means it is now an offence for businesses to "cold-call" other businesses without checking the central Telephone Preference Service register first.

    Failure to do so can result in a fine of £5,000 GBP

    See www.businesstelecomservices.co.uk for more information.

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    Cold calling to get business

    It's interesting to read about different views on cold calling. Consider the following scenario, though, if you use or plan to use cold calling as a business development tactic.

    Imagine that you are a busy business owner who must deal with the day-to-day challenges of running a company.

    Now imagine that you get several unsolicited calls per week (or per day) from sales people who got your name from some compiled list. For the most part, these sales people who call you have not bothered to take the time to do any research whatsoever on you, your company or its problems.

    As you think about this, you're probably shaking your head in agreement.

    Most B2B sales people assume that just because you are a business person, you should have an inherent need for what they sell. For example, if you are a Web site designer, you might assume that if a business doesn't have a Web site, they should be receptive to having you develop one for them.

    What most sales people fail to understand is that just because people theoretically need what you sell, that doesn't mean they actually want it, or that they want it now. If they did, don't you think they probably would have already called someone about it?

    Alternatively, even if people do want what you sell, they often have other problems to deal with that are more important than the problem your product or service solves. Until those front burner problems are solved, the problem your product or service solves will stay on the back burner.

    You've probably heard of "permission marketing" — a concept first brought to the forefront by Seth Godin in his book of the same name. This concept, which has been widely applied to email marketing, says that you must get people's overt permission before you contact them. Further, you also must honor that permission by not veering from the topic on which the permission was granted when you make subsequent contact. Otherwise, you're practicing what Seth termed, "interruption marketing." I call it "intrusion marketing."

    And cold calling, dear reader, is a high-level form of intrusion marketing. When you cold call you are most likely intruding into someone's life. You are usually interrupting what they are doing. You are uninvited. Despite your best intentions, you are probably perceived as an annoyance.

    If you disagree, ask yourself if you wake up every morning thinking, "Gee, I just don't get enough unsolicited calls from sales people. I sure hope I get some today." You say you don't wake up thinking this? Well guess what, no one else does either!

    Fortunately, there are plenty of ways to get business that don't involve traditional cold calling: where you call strangers out of the blue with an offer they probably don't want, at least not at the moment.

    The antidote to cold calling is strategic positioning. By that I mean, posturing yourself as an expert in your field through various methods so that people know something about you and how what you do can solve one or more of their problems.

    When you use strategic positioning, you find that people start calling you. When they do, they usually believe they want what you sell and they already have the perception that you are the best choice to deliver it. And being perceived as the one to call in your field is the key to your success.

    Strategic positioning takes time to set up. It's not a quick fix. As such, many people are too lazy to implement a strategic positioning plan. But consider the amount of time and energy it takes to cold call day after day. If you use cold calling you know that most of that time and energy is wasted.

    Now I'm not saying cold calling doesn't work. Heck, I was once a "cold calling cowboy" who smiled and dialed my way to the top of the sales heap.

    But when I think about all the frustration and, yes, humiliation I had to endure along the way, I could kick myself (hard) for not knowing about strategic positioning.

    If you want to know more about strategic positioning, simply reply to this post and let me know. If there's enough interest, I'll do more posts on the subject.

    In the meantime, if you feel you MUST use cold calling, I highly recommend Art Sobczak's Web site, BusinessByPhone.com. Lots of tips and tricks for getting through to decision makers using straightforward methods that don't waste time.

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    A different approach

    I've joined Rotary, volunteered to speak at the library and at a local conference of non-profit fundraisers. I've only begun to build my business, but I find all my customers (as opposed to lousy leads) have come from personal contact, especially when they know I'm interested enough to come talk to them for free.

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    Re: Cold calling to get business

    Quote Originally Posted by IncredibleValue
    It's interesting to read about different views on cold calling. Consider the following scenario, though, if you use or plan to use cold calling as a business development tactic.

    Imagine that you are a busy business owner who must deal with the day-to-day challenges of running a company.

    Now imagine that you get several unsolicited calls per week (or per day) from sales people who got your name from some compiled list. For the most part, these sales people who call you have not bothered to take the time to do any research whatsoever on you, your company or its problems.

    As you think about this, you're probably shaking your head in agreement.

    Most B2B sales people assume that just because you are a business person, you should have an inherent need for what they sell. For example, if you are a Web site designer, you might assume that if a business doesn't have a Web site, they should be receptive to having you develop one for them.

    What most sales people fail to understand is that just because people theoretically need what you sell, that doesn't mean they actually want it, or that they want it now. If they did, don't you think they probably would have already called someone about it?

    Alternatively, even if people do want what you sell, they often have other problems to deal with that are more important than the problem your product or service solves. Until those front burner problems are solved, the problem your product or service solves will stay on the back burner.

    You've probably heard of "permission marketing" — a concept first brought to the forefront by Seth Godin in his book of the same name. This concept, which has been widely applied to email marketing, says that you must get people's overt permission before you contact them. Further, you also must honor that permission by not veering from the topic on which the permission was granted when you make subsequent contact. Otherwise, you're practicing what Seth termed, "interruption marketing." I call it "intrusion marketing."

    And cold calling, dear reader, is a high-level form of intrusion marketing. When you cold call you are most likely intruding into someone's life. You are usually interrupting what they are doing. You are uninvited. Despite your best intentions, you are probably perceived as an annoyance.

    If you disagree, ask yourself if you wake up every morning thinking, "Gee, I just don't get enough unsolicited calls from sales people. I sure hope I get some today." You say you don't wake up thinking this? Well guess what, no one else does either!

    Fortunately, there are plenty of ways to get business that don't involve traditional cold calling: where you call strangers out of the blue with an offer they probably don't want, at least not at the moment.

    The antidote to cold calling is strategic positioning. By that I mean, posturing yourself as an expert in your field through various methods so that people know something about you and how what you do can solve one or more of their problems.

    When you use strategic positioning, you find that people start calling you. When they do, they usually believe they want what you sell and they already have the perception that you are the best choice to deliver it. And being perceived as the one to call in your field is the key to your success.

    Strategic positioning takes time to set up. It's not a quick fix. As such, many people are too lazy to implement a strategic positioning plan. But consider the amount of time and energy it takes to cold call day after day. If you use cold calling you know that most of that time and energy is wasted.

    Now I'm not saying cold calling doesn't work. Heck, I was once a "cold calling cowboy" who smiled and dialed my way to the top of the sales heap.

    But when I think about all the frustration and, yes, humiliation I had to endure along the way, I could kick myself (hard) for not knowing about strategic positioning.

    If you want to know more about strategic positioning, simply reply to this post and let me know. If there's enough interest, I'll do more posts on the subject.

    In the meantime, if you feel you MUST use cold calling, I highly recommend Art Sobczak's Web site, BusinessByPhone.com. Lots of tips and tricks for getting through to decision makers using straightforward methods that don't waste time.
    While the motives are slightly suspect (the stopcoldcalling.com link raises a yellow flag, the post appears to be a preformatted sales pitch, and this is IncredibleValue's initial post), the basic idea here is totally accurate. There is an increasing resentment toward any form of unsolicited intrusion as far as sales pitches go; I place myself among those individuals.

    One of my clients telemarkets exclusively as their offline marketing medium. However, they're basically relying on repeats from existing businesses and the website we did for them since new business cold calling is generating next to nothing other than resentment. They've noticed this trend slowly over approx. the last 10 years, and it's to the point where they're planning on dropping their new call telemarketing division.

    I hate when someone picks up my company name from a directory or a search engine and starts hammering me for a service that I clearly have no desire for. If I want it, I'll tell you that I want it. Don't tell me that I need it; I'll tell you. In fact, I'm more likely to buy something because someone that I know referred me to it than anything else.

    Personally, I see telemarketing becoming a dead or dying art over the next few years simply because of the resentment factor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Tor
    Adam, no offence but your wrong. People cold calling me for cell phones irritates me also, but I get a majority of my business from making cold calls to the new business list and most companies are extremely glad to hear from me.

    Small business owners seldom have the time to search for the perfect web design company. Lets face it, if your a professional designer (and you don't use templates for your own or your customers sites) that's good enough for most small businesses.

    They usually take a quick look at my site and tell me to get busy. As designers we spend countless hours designing the perfect site to gain business. When it comes down to it, our clients just want a professional design that looks good.

    So cold calling actually saves most small business owners time, and time is money and money is what makes or breaks most small companies. If you're getting a lot of business now, imagine the business you would gain if you made a few calls every day!

    And as for your competitors calling your clients, I just picked up a site today doing the same thing. A local transmission company hosted their existing site with me, it turns out they had a guy design their site that was not a professional designer, when I showed them what they could have they wrote me a check on the spot. Let this be a lesson:

    Templates...BAD! Cold Calling...GOOD!
    There really isn't a lesson here to be gained. You just got lucky. And I don't think I am wrong. You can disagree, but that doesn't make me (or you) wrong. Just means you do it differently.

    Again, I don't have a problem with anyone calling my clients to try and get business since the method (i.e. going through my site) is the counterargument to the reason (i.e. the site isn't productive). One client in particular has been solicited at least 6 times in the past month. He just gets to the point where if he hears "Design" or "New Media" or "Solutions", *click* down goes the phone.

    Side note: I will agree with you that Templates are like Napster...BAD!

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    We can all go back and forth about cold calling is good or cold calling is bad. The fact is right now at this very moment cold calling works! I'm proof of it and I make a lot of money doing it, my clients stay with me for a long time and are happy with my services.

    In most cases when I call a new "small" business (I don't waste time calling pre-existing or large businesses) and tell them I can provide professional design, take care of all their on-line marketing, do all their print design and do it all for a modest sum of money, they usually sigh in relief.

    Most new small business websites are usually designed by someone the owner knows or someone an employee knows. In my experience when cold calling for web design (I wouldn't make and can't stand getting calls from time shares or cell phones etc... they are not business related) I get one of three responses

    - No thanks

    - I'm not ready now, call me back in a month

    - When can you get started

    If it's a call that has to do with business and not something out of the blue, small business owners generally don't mind.

    ADAMWebDesign wrote:

    There really isn't a lesson here to be gained. You just got lucky. And I don't think I am wrong. You can disagree, but that doesn't make me (or you) wrong. Just means you do it differently.

    Your right, I don't think your wrong I just disagree.

    However I didn’t get lucky... I got educated.


    -Jason Tor

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    Re: Cold caling to get business

    ADAMWebDesign Wrote:

    "While the motives are slightly suspect (the stopcoldcalling.com link raises a yellow flag, the post appears to be a preformatted sales pitch, and this is IncredibleValue's initial post), the basic idea here is totally accurate."
    My post was written from scratch specifically for this forum and was not a "preformatted sales pitch." That's the way I write. The fact that I recommended someone else's Web site (that I have NO affiliation with) in my post should be evidence that I had the forum members' best interests in mind. Other people include their link in their sig file, so why shouldn't I be able to do so without being "suspect?" And so what if it's my first post? Everyone has a first post, and I put a lot of thought into mine.

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