BS! Just as many FREE add-ons for Joomla! as there is for WP and Way more than those available for Drupal.Originally Posted by mwbyrd
I develop Minisites (since 2004) and have tried Most CMS's . result to date
Wordpress Approx. 50 sites
Drupal 2 Sites (Under Duress)
Joomla! 1.5 1200+ Sites developed
Plus I taught Joomla! at local Community college and had little trouble teaching Newbies in 10 hours to become joomla! users/developers.
I didn't say you had to pay for every Add on. I've never had to pay for a Drupal Module to get Drupal to accomplish anything that I've wanted to do.
Before I made my post, i went to Joomla.org and looked a couple SEO add-ons and saw a cost associated with them. I've never run accross a similar situation with Drupal.
Just adding my thoughts to the discussion, and it seems pretty much in agreement with what was said already.
As a developer, I can explain the difference between these like this:
wordpress
~ used mostly for Blogs
~ can add pages, simple and easy to put content out
~ no forum, less flexible design format
Joomla
~ Forum with some block format and news articles
~ not recommended for general blogging format
~ fairly flexible, can use blocks to control content areas
Drupal
~ forum, news articles, and a lot more
~ most flexible of the three
~ can be a nightmare for anyone who is not well versed in applying mods
All have free or purchasable mods/styles and all can be flexible enough for the end user depending on what is desired for a website.
My experiences comes from the extensive collection of php-nuke and phpBB mods, so I find wordpress and Joomla fairly straight forward while Drupal is more along the complexity of the php-nuke menagerie.
If you have cPanel with Fantastico on your web hosting you can run the installs for these to play around with them in test areas (subdomains or subdirectories) to see which one really meets your needs and the needs of the site. When setting up one for a client, invite them to play with your test sites to get the feel of the content management and the administration area.
*a note about any mods with cost:
Often there is another mod that works very much the same that is free if you look for it. It may not have the exact set of features as the paid mod, but it may still meet your needs.
Another thing to keep in mind:
When looking into potential development of a site, do not opt for Joomla with Drupal as a future potential expansion. You will need to convert your database if you wish to retain all the content you develop in Joomla. While I am an expert in database conversions, I do not recommend this to those who have little experience with databases. Go with the system that you want to develop as the end product and get to know it very well in the process instead of changing midstream.
Last edited by Refiner; 10-04-2011 at 09:53 PM. Reason: added paid mod comment
I've used all three (and like all three). With the 3.0 release of wordpress it becomes a major CMS player. If wordpress meets your needs, use it, you won't be disappointed. End-users will embrace it and there will likely be a theme or plug-in for most of your current and future needs.
I've watched the increase in community supported plug-ins available on Joomla, Drupal and wordpress. To the point already made, the development community is obviously lining up behind wordpress; they've contributed over 5,000 new add-ons in less than a year.
As much as I admire the "new" wordpress; I recently installed a new Drupal site. If you haven't used the relatively new Release 7 of Drupal, you'll find it's user friendliness substantially improved. My recent Drupal choice was to utilize it's custom fielded page definitions allowing new pages creations to populate a database accessible by their "Views" function. If you haven't used Views, it's a Drupal core module that lets you retrieve content from a database and present it to the user in multiple ways tailored to your needs: lists, posts, calendars, galleries, reports, etc.
IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A WORDPRESS MODULE PROVIDING FUNCTIONS SIMILAR TO DRUPAL'S VIEWS, I'D BE MOST INTERESTED IN KNOWING ABOUT IT!
Last edited by wpriley; 10-04-2011 at 10:44 PM.
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I think that sums it up.
What about the Content Construction Kit (CCK) that has got its own book http://www.packtpub.com/drupal-7-fie...ers-guide/book ?
If you go for Drupal, I reccomend the book Pro Drupal Development http://www.drupalbook.com/
In Norway there is a Drupal community: http://drupalnorge.no/
Note that the White House use Drupal.
It is also easy to install a Drupal multisite. Look here http://www.oopschool.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=24 for additional resources.
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I started using Wordpress a few months ago mainly because I was attracted by the simple installation and thriving forum of support. The initial installation took me around 10 minutes which was basically a local setup on my computer for playing around with designs and functionality on my local server setup. This again has been explained clearly and easy for novices to understand. Uploading to your domain space is also relatively simple by installing wordpress first then uploading your customised files into a folder - all of 30 seconds!
The help pages on Wordpress are well-written and easy to follow. Wordpress has the ability to visually look like a regular website - contrary to the comments above that it is simply blogging software. With a little understanding of how to make your own templates - you can quite easily design your own site and integrate wordpress code to make it function like a truly powerful content management system instead of creating more html and CSS.
First step is to setup your security plugins and database backup plugins!
I used the 7 day trial at Lyndas.com to watch absolutely everything about wordpress, this was enough for me to get started and get a free kickoff - don't tell Lynda! There was a guy there who was excellent at showing how easy it was to customise. This also let me see what software he was using for editing - as I've just started using a mac - which is what he was using.
As an SEO geek I was surprised how fast pages were popping up in Google. One of the plug-ins called All in One SEO Pack is absolutely brilliant and allows you to add a page title, description, meta tags, title attribute and pings all the search engines and inform them of a new page - all in one go!
Adsensers can also take advantage and concentrate on writing content instead of pasting in their code everywhere and creating / editing new pages.
I can't comment on the use of other CMS systems but I was put off by the documentation in Joomla and the setup procedure - which makes me think - what is the rest of the interface / editing like?
wordpress is mainly an excellent blogging platform and not a content management system (CMS) per se as are Drupal and Joomla.
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Interesting discussion. Look at this issue in the following light...
1. What kind of website are you developing - Simple blog sites, go for Wordpress. For complex sites, go for Joomla and Drupal ( in that order).
2. Extensibility - Joomla is champ followed by Wordpress and Drupal
3. Ease of Use - Wordpress followed by Drupal and Joomla (based on my experience)
I am sure some people will not agree with my analysis but this is based on my experience. If you are developing simple websites or blogs, go for Wordpress. If you need a real CMS, I will go for Joomla or Drupal.
I run two sites on Drupal (minney.org and b12d.org) with multiple authors, commenting, workflow etc. The first thing I can tell you is WebProWorld is not hosted on Drupal - I (and my authors) can update using the browser on a mobile phone and I can't with WebProWorld.
So who is Drupal designed for? The people who write the content don't need to know much really, they just work within a controlled environment (CMS the way it should be). But the person who sets the web site up needs to take it seriously - you have to set up permissions, and if some contributors (or all contributors) need their writing checked before it gets published, you have to set up workflow. It's (a tiny bit) complicated to set up themes and automatic language switching, and of course Drupal is designed so only selected people have the authority to change these fundamental look-and-feel things, even though lots of people can write the content.
So Drupal is for people like The White House, and me (I don't need the massive security, I don't use 99% of what it can do, but I do need to change look and feel and add feed boxes/ specialist user blogs/ re-presentation of the same material a number of different ways).
Joomla is for people who want to be able to customise their (own) web site; they don't want to do anything extraordinary, and they don't want to learn something new, but they want more than wordpress.
And Wordpress is for people who want to write, with no fuss.
Incidentally, a user blog in Drupal looks pretty much the same as a user blog in wordpress.
The difference is that the administrator can set up/ change Drupal, whereas wordpress is fixed (you can change the theme and a couple of things here and there, but that's it)
Oh, boy, the Developer Holy Wars are so much fun! In my own team, we are still having the Mac v. PC ethnic conflict. But, it's still at the level of snide comments, no beheadings yet. The whole idea here is: what is the best tool for this site? wordpress, Joomla and Drupal are all valuable tools. Each does somethings better than the others.
Let's look at wrenches: allen wrenches, pipe wrenches, crescent wrenches, torque wrenches, etc. Do you hear mechanics and plumbers arguing which one should be used exclusively? Ha, ha, I think that a pipe wrench makes a great hammer if you turn it on the side. Or, you can hit your computer with it when the programming isn't going well. In any case, it is best to learn what each one does best. Then when you are at that next cocktail party and someone asks you about a technology you don't use, you can discuss it intelligently ad naseum. Sigh, I guess I'll even have to accept .NET as a real tool if I want to follow my own advice.
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