It is worth to submit in different search engine?

[deepsand]

Its quicker than direct submission in 110% of the cases, at least for Google.

Patently false, as it's physically impossible if a sitemap is promptly submitted when a page is added.

And direct submission is no guarantee when a search engine(Google) will index your site.

Neither is 3rd party discovery.

Rather than requesting search engines to visit your site, make them visit your site. It will faster and you possibly get more value for that.

You cannot "make" an SE visit your site. And, 3rd party discovery is neither a request nor a demand. It's simply data that an SE may, at a time of its choosing, or may not act on, as it sees fit.

And, 3rd party discovery is data for but a single page. Direct submission of a sitemap has the inherent advantages of both prompt and complete discovery;

[LD]

Deb - I agree with deepsand as G and other search engines may eventually find ones site, however, knocking on their door has gotten them out and re-indexing a site within a few days.

[Deb123]

@deepsand

Sorry to say, though you have lot many posts and have an authority in this forum, while I may be newbie, but your thoughts and ideas are conventional and pretty old school. I just remember we had crossed threads before also and I remember you gave some pretty bookish fundas

I will only state facts, that has worked for me.

Lets try out your theory and my theory and see how that pans out

Lets take two brand new sites (not submitted to any SE and have no links)

You take one site and submit it to Google in the conventional way(and no backlinks, or promoting the site via webmaster tools)

And I create a couple of backlinks to the site (I will not submit the site to Google)

And check back every day to see whose site is indexed earlier. I will be happy to accept defeat, if you get to index you site faster. I simple "site:" check will show if the site entered Google Index.

I am in a different timezone so we need to synchronize the to start at the same time

Regarding new sites, they can be on same topic or different, if any other member in the forum wants to offer two brand new sites, we can take them also.

This will be a fun contest, and we will get to learn a lot.

Regards
Deb

[deepsand]

My statements here do not represent "conventional" thinking, or that of any school, but are grounded in empirical facts, none of which are, by definition, refutable.

As for testing, a simplistic test of the sort suggested would be statistically insignificant, and would not, regardless of the result, refute the underlying physical facts themselves.

A simple thought experiment will suffice for demonstrating the cited benefits of direct submission.

[Deb123]

empirical facts, none of which are, by definition, refutable.

Thats what exactly I meant by "Conventional"

As for testing, a simplistic test of the sort suggested would be statistically insignificant,

The simple test is enough to prove the fact, "which gets indexed faster." nothing more nothing less

Anyway, it seems I would not be able to change your mind, because you are unwilling to open your eyes to see the actual truth

I know what works for me and what works better, irrespective of what your "irrefutable, empirical, all ways true, eternal examples" tell you.

I will request others reading the post in future to try this out and judge for yourselves what works better

[deepsand]

If empirical facts and rationalism be conventional, so be it.

As for testing, you would do well to study the methodologies and statistical measures suitable to multivariate testing. It's far from being so simple, easy, and quick as you seem to think it is.

[williamc]

I will only state facts, that has worked for me.

You are not stating facts. You are stating opinions as fact, and I am growing tired of everyone having to correct you everytime you do it.

[Tubby]

I will request others reading the post in future to try this out and judge for yourselves what works better

If it is of any use to this thread within the last 72 hours I uploaded a new web site. The only thing I have done for search engines is to place a link on my family facebook ( I did place an adsense header ad)

My stats page says

Hits User Agent

1 91 63.19% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.
2 10 6.94% Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.co
3 9 6.25% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefo
4 8 5.56% facebookexternalhit/1.0 (+http://www.facebook.com/externalhit
5 7 4.86% Mediapartners-Google
6 7 4.86% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/535.11 (KHTML, like
7 6 4.17% SonyEricssonJ108a/R7DA Browser/NetFront/3.5 Profile/MIDP-2.1
8 3 2.08% Googlebot-Image/1.0
9 2 1.39% facebookexternalhit/1.1 (+http://www.facebook.com/externalhit
10 1 0.69% Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Google Desktop/5.9.1005.12335; http:

There are lots of stories, suggestion, recommendations. I have merely posted the action and the observed result.

You can safely ignore this post if it contradicts, or is disproved by something you "Know". Or is otherwise irrelevant to the topic.

[Tubby]

My stats page says

My point was . .
How do you get a clean sheet before you notify a search engine?

If you can not start off with a virgin viewed site . . How can you assign credit to any particular submission.

[deepsand]

How can you assign credit to any particular submission.

Assuming that you inquire re. traffic, the Referer field of the page requests recorded in your Server Log tell you where the visit came from.