PR Sculpting, Siloing, and nofollow

[kevsta]

Kgun, with respect you're both on the wrong forum I think. I think the James Randi forums would be more suitable.

and with regards to seo consultants that "dont seem to know what they are talking about" - how would you know, as neither of you are SEOs?

I would define a professional SEO as somebody making a living at ranking client (or their own) sites, do either of you 2 fit that category? ..I do.

one of my clients sites turns over 350k GBP per month, it was about half that when I took it over 3 years ago. clearly I have no clue

for my part I am sceptical of people who hypothesise until the cows come home but can't rank for toffee.

[deepsand]

Deepsand then please explain to me exactly why we would even be talking about PR in the first place? ..is it because we have a deep seated urge to understand the mathematics behind it and perform scientifically valid experiments for peer review and publication?

I would ask why you spend so much time denying that which we do know about PR?

To repeat:

To be precise, we do know:

how the PR algorithm works
what Google has told us re. when & how PR is allocated to the links on a page; and,
what Google has told us re. which links are and are not included in the calculation matrix with regards to the nofollow attribute.


Therefore, the only issue at question is whether or not that which Google has said is sufficiently complete and accurate.

To argue that said question must be answered in the negative unless and until proven otherwise is argumentum ad ignorantiam.

From wiki, general form of the argument:

1. P has never been disproven therefore P is/(must be) true.
2. P has never been proven therefore P is/(must be) false.

some of us are seos and some of us are frustrated scientists it would seem.

And, as earlier noted, SEO is an art form, not an objectively well defined discipline.

you spend your time trying to work out how the racing car works, or more accurately trying to discredit other's theories about how it works, and i'll just drive the thing faster than you ever thought possible

And, the driver who thinks that he knows best is also the one most likely to crash the car, or blow up its engine.

Artists do not good researchers make.

[kevsta]

Deepsand, no offence, but Im sorry but I don't have time for endless philosophical discussions with non-seos, sorry dude.

nobody but you cares about about PR except from a rankings effect POV, and if you cant get your "race car" higher than the 6th page for Penn State Tickets in the 4 years since I joined this forum as an absolute beginner, your thoughts on PR and SEO are of no interest to me.

[Optic]

Perhaps using more conditionals for sidebar navigation is a better idea than nofollowing.

I think such intelligent people should be able to avoid flaming each other. Maybe keep it to refuting someone's claims instead of personal attacks and counterproductive posts?

[kevsta]

I think such intelligent people should be able to avoid flaming each other. Maybe keep it to refuting someone's claims instead of personal attacks and counterproductive posts?

you're probably right, but to be fair you're also pretty new here. some of us have seen, had and been frustrated by these type of conversations for a long time now.

and in my last post I am only stating (non-debatable) facts, I have neither time nor interest in the above any more.

[deepsand]

Deepsand, no offence, but Im sorry but I don't have time for endless philosophical discussions with non-seos, sorry dude.

You mistake Science and Mathematics for Philosophy.

nobody but you cares about about PR except from a rankings effect POV, ...

Say what?

It was you, and you alone, who pressed the issue of trying to use SERP Rank as a proxy for PR.

and if you cant get your "race car" higher than the 6th page for Penn State Tickets in the 4 years since I joined this forum as an absolute beginner, your thoughts on PR and SEO are of no interest to me.

First & foremost, attacking the site of another that is not the subject of the thread is a gross violation of forum rules.

Secondly, said site is not mine.

Thirdly, if you understood that particular market sector, you would know that SEM yields an ROI that vastly exceeds that of SEO; hence, that is where the owner of said site chooses to exclusively invest. And, I would add, with results that are most handsome indeed. And, of those many sites that rank above him in the SERPs, who do you think they turn to to fill their orders for the better quality seats for Penn State Football?

and in my last post I am only stating (non-debatable) facts, I have neither time nor interest in the above any more.

Facts? Ungrounded opinion would be more precise.

Your ad hominem behavior here comes as a disappointing surprise.

[Tubby]

I'm curious what your opinions are about using nofollow internally to silo content and sculpt pagerank.

My view. never place a no follow link on a web page. . I think they were a stupid concept in the first place.

Maybe using them is the first sign of Seoneuroticitis.

[kevsta]

Facts? Ungrounded opinion would be more precise.

no deepsand, the facts I refer to are simply that I have no time or interest "debating" anything further with you. FACT.

Your ad hominem behavior here comes as a disappointing surprise.

whereas your predictable avoidance of the subject at hand is no surprise at all

conversation over, Im following Janeth's lead I think, thank you and goodnight.

[deepsand]

no deepsand, the facts I refer to are simply that I have no time or interest "debating" anything further with you. FACT.

whereas your predictable avoidance of the subject at hand is no surprise at all

Seems that you've it more than a little backwards here, as it is you who assiduously avoided the hard truths that you did not wish to hear.

conversation over, Im following Janeth's lead I think, thank you and goodnight.

Janeth's lead? You are so very clueless.

[kevsta]

Seems that you've it more than a little backwards here, as it is you who assiduously avoided the hard truths that you did not wish to hear.

Deepsand, are you autistic? if so apologies for the tone of this response. If not take it as it sounds.

I would suggest you re-read the thread, carefully.

1. at no time did I express any opinion on nofollow, or pr sculpting.
2. I did say that very large and famous SEO "reference" or teaching sites still use it liberally. (you wouldnt know because you are not an SEO and just spend your time trolling people on here in Latin )
3. I did enquire whether anybody here had done any testing of their own recently or blindly follow what theyve been told. (of course they havent)
4. I did not want yet another theoretical PR discussion with you.
5. I did ask "why anyone would give 2 sh*ts about PR if it were not for better rankings?" - no answer from you of course.

Other than that you have just done your normal thing you have been doing on here since you very first irritated me 4 years ago, of trying to look clever by picking tangential arguments using latin terms.

Janeth's lead? You are so very clueless.

"Janeth's lead" as in not wasting a moment more time on nonsense discussions with numpties who talk a good game but rank like amateurs.

somebody round here is clueless.. "I'm a very good seo,a very good seo.."

yes course you are Rainman.

over and out.