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Garrett
04-29-2004, 09:30 AM
A recently filed Google patent reveals a possible future change in Google's algorithm. The algorithm-chasers out there engaging in high-risk seo techniques (http://www.webpronews.com/insiderreports/searchinsider/wpn-49-20040420NoMoreHatsHighRiskvsLowRiskSEO.html) should pay special attention.

The concept is surprisingly, perhaps deceptively, simple. Upon finding the initial results for a given query, this new process would then scan the set of results and analyze their interconnectivity. Those sites with more links from the results set will receive a higher rank.

Or, in patent speak, "a re-ranking component in the search engine then refines the initially returned document rankings so that documents that are frequently cited in the initial set of relevant documents are preferred over documents that are less frequently cited within the initial set."

This sounds like a sort of on-the-fly, trimmed down version of PageRank, which analyzed the interconnectivity of the entire web and ranks accordingly.

Algorithm chasers (algies?) will instantly see that they need to be more aware now of the entire result set for their desired search terms and look for links specifically from sites within those results.

Fathom (http://www.webproworld.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=74), one of our SEO professionals (http://www.webproworld.com/viewforum.php?f=42) from WebProWorld, believes this algorithm could have a positive impact on "qualified SEOs that deploy real strategies based on appreciating client's industry and markets rather than understanding 'just keywords.'"

This new twist on Google's algorithm could promote a more responsible SEO approach that requires the optimizer to pay attention to the market of the client as a whole. As Fathom says, "SEOs get so caught in "links" and "link anchors" because it is thought to be the easier way - SEOs understanding SEOing and not necessarily the industry or markets of the client they are assistintg."

If Google implements this reranking algorithm then they "can easily eliminate or at minimum mitigate 'low quality SEO manipulation' and force SEOs to actually learn that 'if you are going to be a marketing professional' - you need to start delving into industry and market research and putting this 'new found knowledge' into practice or risk being left out of 'quality SERPs.'"

For those of you who are all set to start interlinking with those in the result set of your favored keyword searches - wait. This is just a patent, not evidence of the reranking algorithm itself.

I don't understand why Google would file for a patent though (and I'm not sure of their algorithm patent filing history), but wouldn't they prefer to keep their algorithm completely secret? Is there concern that employees might walk off with the secret sauce if they don't file for patents?

In regards to patents Google's in an interesting position - as they protect their new algorithmic advances from being copied they simultaneously open themselves to exploitation by the high-risk seos.

You can read Google's patent (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,725,259.WKU.&OS=PN/6,725,259&RS=PN/6,725,259) here.

Fathom offered this suggested reading in regards to the reranking algorithm: The future of Google Search... (http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?p=96013&highlight=#96013) (and then "play around with http://labs.google.com/personalized"). He also mentioned the Content SEO vs Link Mongers (http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=12890) thread as an example of why Google might make this move to the reranking algorithm.

Big thanks to Gary Price at ResourceShelf (http://www.resourceshelf.com) for the tip.

WebMetro
04-29-2004, 12:17 PM
It is also possible that this may be something Google has been doing for years, but just now decided to file a patent for protection.

Garrett
04-29-2004, 12:29 PM
Good point - any thoughts on how to test this?

fathom
04-29-2004, 06:15 PM
Good point - any thoughts on how to test this?

I doubt it - but it is likely true. I firmly believe Google doesn't ever look at this from the SEO angle - they just want to be the best search engine there is to users so to retain those users... therefore to succeed using Google as a marketing media you need to think like Google.

PhilC
04-29-2004, 07:27 PM
This is very old news. The patent was filed on January 27, 2003, and has been discussed in depth in the forums ever since then. It quickly became known as "LocalRank" when the patent was filed, and was a contender for the "Florida" changes last November.

Dave Hawley
04-29-2004, 10:09 PM
Good point - any thoughts on how to test this?

Not sure that would be possible. However, I doubt Google would have only recently started work on this. These sorts of things need rigorous testing to see if they work. Google is too smart to patent first and test later.

Niko Holopainen
04-30-2004, 03:41 AM
Also, possibly totally incorrect assumption might be that any such news that break to the media, the actual value of the patent non-withstanding, might have a lot to do with the Google stock release that to my understanding was confirmed yesterday?

Yours truly, as always.

Garrett
04-30-2004, 09:45 AM
PhilC:

Thanks for the tip... Gary Price wrote me to say the same thing. Doh! I had planned to publish this in WPN today too.

If you think any of Local Rank subject matter is worth digging up again I'd appreciate it if you'd share it.

I'd also appreciate opinions on continuing this discussion.

PhilC
04-30-2004, 09:55 AM
I had planned to publish this in WPN today too.
Then you'll just have to go and dig out one of my articles to stand in for it, Garrett :)

Garrett
04-30-2004, 10:30 AM
PhilC discusses LocalRank here: http://www.webworkshop.net/florida-update.html

and his articles may soon be appearing in a WebProNews near you :)

PhilC
04-30-2004, 10:38 AM
Yup. LR (LocalRank) was discussed in that article, but Florida is way out of date now. There are much better articles on the site that won't be out of date for a long time to come ;)

ferret77
04-30-2004, 01:14 PM
promote a more responsible SEO approach that requires the optimizer to pay attention to the market of the client as a whole. As Fathom says, "SEOs get so caught in "links" and "link anchors" because it is thought to be the easier way - SEOs understanding SEOing and not necessarily the industry or markets of the client they are assistintg

how would it do that,

all it would do is promote link exchanges between topped ranked sites in genre,

which is common practice anyway

so what are you talking about?

AussieWebmaster
05-03-2004, 05:15 PM
The reranking has been around in other labels... the inbound links' PR aggregates and their total inbound numbers have always had an impact on position.

PhilC
05-03-2004, 05:32 PM
That's not the same thing as LocalRank, AW. LocalRank takes links between the pages in a results set into account and re-arranges the results set order because of them.

AussieWebmaster
05-03-2004, 05:39 PM
That's not the same thing as LocalRank, AW. LocalRank takes links between the pages in a results set into account and re-arranges the results set order because of them.

Actually I was commenting on the original thread statement about reranking

PhilC
05-03-2004, 05:41 PM
Ah, sorry - my mistake :(

glengara
05-04-2004, 07:00 AM
*any thoughts on how to test this?*

I don't think it's yet being implemented, an indication of some type of topic sensitive page rank would be the apparent devaluation of anchor text.

AussieWebmaster
05-04-2004, 11:47 AM
*any thoughts on how to test this?*

I don't think it's yet being implemented, an indication of some type of topic sensitive page rank would be the apparent devaluation of anchor text.

How to test? Try working on links on pages that are well optimized and ranked for a specific keyword.... create a similar site and have those links anchor texted to you.... then change them to point to a different page with no SEO for the term and see how it fares... slowly optimize towards the other page and see what elements impact the page's position.

Mel
05-05-2004, 11:01 PM
I see no way that this can be tested, since we do not know what may be the most important factors:

Is this intended to be applied in place of or in conjuction with PageRank?

What values are assigned for the constants "a" and "b"in the Local rank formula:
NewScore(x)=(a+LocalScore(x)/MaxLS)(b+OldScore(x)/MaxOS)

Since the selection of these constants will determine what weight LocalScore is give versus OldScore.

AussieWebmaster
05-06-2004, 12:40 PM
Well none of this is an exact science...

Dave Hawley
05-06-2004, 10:54 PM
Well none of this is an exact science...

euphemism for guess work!