No ranking in Search Engines

[mcse6]

Hello there,

I am having a problem with my site's submission to some search engines, eg. google,yahoo or lycos. I have submited my site to open directory,dmoz earlier (about 2 weeks ago). I tried to perform a search for my company's name iplushealth and it does not appear on the first page of the search result for most search engines. Letting alone the keywords I have for my site, my understanding is at least it should display my URL and description under the search result for the keyword "iplushealth", right ?

I used some website ranking software and it shows that my site www.iplushealth.com is listed but how come I cannot find it ? How can I solve this problem and how long does it take for my site to be listed ?

Anyone, please advise. Thanks.
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Angelia
www.iplushealth.com

[WebPortal.TV]

A lot of times you can go up and type in a key phrase from your site in quotes "phrase here" and it will show up.

If that does not work, just type in yourdomain.com.

Once you click it, if you do not find your link, just click the option that lets you see all the sites that have a link to your site, and then you should find your page.

[mcse6]

Hello Webportal TV,

I don't quite understand what you meant. I did all normal searching method at e.g. www.Yahoo.com, but it says it can't find my domain name. Currently, there are no links from other sites to my site ? Is it important? I guessed I will try to exchange some links first. However, how will I know how many search engines is my site listed to. I know that for instance, if you submit your site to google, it will be automatically be submitted to yahoo as well.

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Angelia
www.iplushealth

[jhales]

getting search results take a number of things. probably the two most important are:
1. getting incoming links to your site
2. having lots of good content on your site

getting good listings takes time and work. be patient and put in the work it requires.

[mm99]

The flash intro is probably what's killing you. If you run it through a spider simular all that comes up is "Skip intro". Under kws it has nothing, desc, nothing, and title "Iplus Health -- Home".

You need to do some real work on this page before will get anywhere w/ the ses.

peace...Paul

[michaels]

A question: I have found a few pages that link to my site, yet when chosing the option on google to show sites that 'link' to my site, nothing shows up? Can any tell me why this maybe happening?

[Jurgen]

Angelia,

There is absolutely nothing for a search engine to look for in your pages. Every page I looked at the source code was mostly blank. Not even any keywords given.

The layout and pictures however do look ok, but the pages are definately not search engine friendly. You have a lot of work to do ..... :-)

Start to get rid of your flash and then go back to the basics.

Also, be patient, it will take a while for the spiders to crawl your site. Linking is certainly a good thing to have, so focus on that as well. But agin, if there is not much contens to spider.... :-)


.....undertakes the development of Iplus Health website with great effort taking everything in her strife. She is instrumental in the site deployment using the latest technology and we are proud to have her as our project manager.....

You might get this one off for time being.... :-)

Jurgen

[mm99]

It's because goog will not list sites that don't have a certain pr. I think it's 3, maybe 4. If they had better rank, they would show up. Try alltheweb. They will show everything, to my knowledge.

peace...Paul

[cyanide]

mcse6
You've got a neat intro and nice looking site overall.
As mm99 pointed out, your intro flash page ...

Look at an intro flash page as being a brick wall on the only road into town. The best way past it is, chop 'er down.

If you really want to do well with search engines, then flash intro's got to go.

[mcse6]

Thanks Pal,

For all the replies, I will try and make some adjustment. Well, I am just wondering how those sites did it, being search engine friendly with a nice flash either intro or in the main page. I will analyze each page for all the keywords.

Thanks.

Angelia

[rlrouse]

If you want to keep the Flash intro, add a couple of paragraphs of regular text (with a few good keywords) to the page as well, the closer to the top the better. Of course this will hurt the visual appeal of the page considerably.

Your best best it to simply drop the flash altogether from your main entry page. You want your main entry page (actually all of your pages for that matter) to be as search engine friendly as possible. An all-flash page isn't search engine friendly at all.

[telNform]

Hi ::

I just searched and was unable to find it as well, then I looked at your code ... have you actually "viewed source" on your rendered page? your are at line # 206 before you even hit the doc type statement and a total of 1426 lines ... now it is all empty content. Spiders read your code as it is output, not as you view in browser; so fix your coding problem. Secondly, Google is know to not index if it finds 'commment' tags in your code ...

:: your default page ::
line 16 -
line 78 -
line 160 -
line 205 - <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> - 1st useful line of anything
and it does not validate W3c (due to non-support of HTML 4.0 [ http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fiplushealth.com%2F ]
line 310 -
line 342 -
line 420 -
line 428 -
line 448 -
line 468 -
line 483 - <td align="left"> - incorrect syntax
line 544 - incorrect tagging (suprised it even rendered !!) l@@k at you image tags .... double src declarations and etc ...

-- also, close your tags and set your height/width/etc ... in "quotes"

line 644 - has the 1st incident of any "content" - the word Home - which isn't even content

... in my experiance that (amoung numerous other things) is why you're not getting indexed, nor ever will. If you are using some type of software to create this site ... uninstall it and as for a refund immediately; if this is from a developer ... he meeds to be shot.

Sorry for being so harsh, but it needs to be said .... email me offline if ya like and I will help ya sort it out (no charge) - webmaster@michaelpolk.com

michael polk
search engine specialist [seo/sem]
web development

" ... the more i learn, the more i realize i do not know ..."


Hello there,

I am having a problem with my site's submission to some search engines, eg. google,yahoo or lycos. I have submited my site to open directory,dmoz earlier (about 2 weeks ago). I tried to perform a search for my company's name iplushealth and it does not appear on the first page of the search result for most search engines. Letting alone the keywords I have for my site, my understanding is at least it should display my URL and description under the search result for the keyword "iplushealth", right ?

I used some website ranking software and it shows that my site www.iplushealth.com is listed but how come I cannot find it ? How can I solve this problem and how long does it take for my site to be listed ?

Anyone, please advise. Thanks.
__________________________________________________ ___

Angelia
www.iplushealth.com

[Conficio]

Hi there,
a lot good point already said about the poor performance of this web-site in search engines. The huge amount of comments and scripts in the source, and minimal content certainly contributes to it.

But the flash intro, should not be an issue for google or other search engines if done right. The key is to have a link to another page, that is visible in html (not embeded in flash). Anyway, as of today it does not look like a flash only intro anymore. But let me tell you, visitors hate those useless flash intro pages (especially if "home" returns to them). So scrap it for that reason!

Also, have links exchanged deep, i.e. that go to pages beyond the front page to subject specific pages.

In general, search engines do spider (crawl) the site and not only the front page. So if they find a way in (through side streets, to use the metaphor used before), it should not hurt too much. It might be that not the front page comes up, rather topic specific pages directly (under your topic keyword, not necessarily your company or site name), but that is rather a plus for your visitors. For example someone searching for yoga will land on the yoga page of your site, rather than the home page. You have certainly an easier time to capture his interest here and may be turn her into a customer.

For all those that now say - No Way. I maintain a site that uses the sin of all sins, cloaking and has no problems to be spidered by google or others. Case in proof www.weltladen-lienz.com - sorry it's in german. The caveat is that google does not list www.weltladen-lienz.com but rather the real URL. Also bookmarks are usually saved only for the home page if someone did come in through the cloaked passage. But I don't care that much in this case. It is not a copmmerce site, rather a not for profit business and info site.

One easy improvement should be, to pull the scripts into an extra file and use a <link...> to import it. Should also make the pages faster to load. The size of the page plus the images might be an issue in general. Have you tried to watch the site through a modem connection? Try "sloppy" http://www.dallaway.com/sloppy/ to test that out.

One nasty question: "Why do you bother about a key word "iplushealth"? Do you think people look for this name? Is this a well known brand like "Coca Cola"? I don't think so! But you want people to find you if they look for "hair loss", "hair loss and diet", "diet planner", .... That is the area you want to concentrate on. Tip: Ask your customers, what brought them to you. Try to record their answers. The language they use to talk about their needs is what they type into a search engine. Try to do a follow up with such questions, to every support request you get! Try to spend as much time as you can entertaining real/personal conversations, about the issues, that your customers try to solve. Ask questions, show empathy and interest. Try not to sell! If you do this, it will earn you an excellent reputation with your customers and helps you to learn how to market your products/services.

Good luck

K<o>
P.S.: Try to make more clear that your business is in Singapor. Not everyone is expecting that for an english *.com site. I'd put the address in the header or on the left site under the menu. Most english speaking people don't live there and international shipping might come too expensive, so they could feel mislead. Also, In your contact inernationalize the phone numbers.

[mikmik]

Said mm99
It's because goog will not list sites that don't have a certain pr. I think it's 3, maybe 4. If they had better rank, they would show up. Try alltheweb. They will show everything, to my knowledge.

I beg to differ about Page Rank being that important to being listed. I was researching search terms and keywords on web design sites yesterday (Thurs Oct 23) and several of the top 3! in each 'phrase' I searched had 0 - zero - page rank as according to my Google search bar!

[cbp]

mikmik

Me thinks you confused re what mm99 said (but it was not made that clear).

I assume mm99 was refering to the backlinks in Google. In the past, Google only showed backlinks above a certain PR threshold (probably a high 3) - now the criteria is unclear with Google saying that they show only a "sample" of backlinks. - the publically available backlinks appears to have not been updated for ? > 4 weeks.

You are right - PR is irrelevant to getiing listed.

CBP

[earthsusan]

Hi there. I just saw this quote from mm99:

It's because goog will not list sites that don't have a certain pr. I think it's 3, maybe 4. If they had better rank, they would show up. which I think is off the mark. If you type in all or part of a URL name for a site with a google rank of 0 it will still show up in the Google Results. If you want to see it in action try typing in "Wandering Rocks" and then scrolling down to WanDerINg ROcKs, ReVoLVing DoORs
wanderingrocksrevolvingdoors.blogspot.com/. This site certainly has Google Rank of 0 but is still appearing in a Google Search.