View Full Version : Getting high PR without links?
designer714
07-30-2009, 12:47 AM
I'm trying to figure out, (in addition to keywords, tags) how to get a higher page rank on our new site. As a new concept site too. Our company does not want links (other than page to page etc.) since we are a type of consumer advocacy site, yet we need to drive consumers to use us. I've taken great care in the quality of the content. Any other suggestions?
SteveGerencser
07-30-2009, 07:58 AM
PR is links.. There is no other way to get high PR..
BTW, if you don't have any links "to" your website, how are people supposed to find it?? That's sort of like building a store in the middle of the desert and saying you don't want roads..
textbox
08-14-2009, 02:29 PM
That's sort of like building a store in the middle of the desert and saying you don't want roads..
Ha. Very well said.
shakir
08-15-2009, 11:25 AM
yh As above said... BL is the key factor for ranking.. but age and quality content is the booster of PR and can say all this make Good PR juice
notsoold
08-16-2009, 04:15 AM
Backlink is the only factor for PR. There is no other way to get high PR without backlinks.
innominds
08-16-2009, 11:28 AM
I don't think it is possible to get a PR without any links. PR is truly based on links.
ogletreeseo
08-16-2009, 02:32 PM
Why does your company not want links that is the oddest thing I have ever heard. Even if you could get PR without links you would not rank for anything. There are ways to get PR without links but you won't rank for anything.
edhan
08-19-2009, 03:33 AM
Maybe we can put it in this way.
You do not want outbound links - your site does not link to any other websites except internal links like page to page
You get inbound links for others like your clients and others who like your contents to add links for your site.
As long as you are able to get inbound links, then it will be possible for high PR. It will be faster if authority sites have links to your site.
andrew2169
08-19-2009, 06:02 AM
I don't think we can get high PR without backlink. But it is possible only if you have very high quality content in your niche area. Hope it will helps. Thanks
ogletreeseo
08-19-2009, 11:34 AM
It can actually help to link to high authority sites. Linking out is not going to hurt your PR.
bosyork
08-27-2009, 05:50 PM
I think PR is directly proportional to backlinks. More the quality backlinks, higher the PR.
But if your site has rich and very specific content and other SEO techniques are used, getting high PR might be difficcult but not impossible.
edhan
08-27-2009, 09:21 PM
I do believe that getting high PR is dependent on quality authority sites links. So, if you can get them to link your site, then it will be great and faster.
If not, then you can try and build your site with your own quality content. Sooner or later, others will link with you and you will get your ranking.
nasracfan09
08-29-2009, 02:35 AM
Now do not leave a single directory to submit. But still you need some links to get PR high. Without it, it will take you a huge time to build reputation.
ArthurMasons999
08-29-2009, 12:53 PM
As long as you are able to get inbound links, then it will be possible for high PR. It will be faster if authority sites have links to your site.
I agree, Google basically forcing us to get the backlinks, otherwise nobody would bother to post the links.
andrew-bkk
08-31-2009, 04:31 PM
People need to remember that PR has only a very small influence on SERPS.
Put another way, Google takes into account about 200 different factors when determining SERPS, and PR is only one of them.
Excessive preoccupation with PR is pointless: it is possible to achieve top rankings for competitive search terms with surprisingly low PR
junosama
09-03-2009, 10:03 PM
Get a couples links on pr 5+ sites =) or mentions in authority blogs.
virtuality
09-07-2009, 02:56 PM
Blogs-Twitter-Article submissions etc.
rob.b
09-12-2009, 02:41 AM
Not possible. You have to get links. If you don't want to build backlinks just anywhere, use relevant sites to do so. And did you submit to directories........ if not do it soon.
povidiu
09-16-2009, 12:17 PM
In my opinion getting links is connected to the PR and vice-versa.
nickoran
09-17-2009, 05:55 AM
I agree, Google basically forcing us to get the backlinks, otherwise nobody would bother to post the links.
Do others really see it as being forced to do something against thier will? I seem to recall (although a long time ago), enjoying linking to other sites that I wanted to recommend others.
No Backlink = No Page Rank = No Ranking = No Traffic
povidiu
09-17-2009, 11:42 AM
@Ace I fully support your statement. I think I will use it also in my signature :)
According to google's release notes, google passes your page upto 200 checks and analysis before it grants a particular rank within search results against specific search phrases. within those 200 algorithms, the most important is the Page Rank. This is a new terminology introduced by google and you receive high page rank only through relevant back links. Yes, you can't acquire high page rank without having backlinks. However, you can preserve (hopefully temporary) a prominant position within first couple of search result pages against your less competitive keyword. You can accomplish this by addin many many many content based pages in your site. In addition, you need to work hard in updating your website on daily basis and must continue with this activity for atleast 6 months.
Better higher some professional seo copy writers on permanent basis (depends on your affordability).
Although PR is a big factor placing your pages within top search results but there are other 199 algos if addressed well, can help you out.
Could I explain well?
povidiu
09-17-2009, 12:00 PM
@Jene Can you please provide the URL where Google stand this.
@Jene Can you please provide the URL where Google stand this.
I am not allowed to post links because of account status so far. However, you can just do a little search "google search algorithms" on googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com to see what I mean.
does this help?
povidiu
09-17-2009, 12:24 PM
Thanks Jene for the tips. I will definitely search.
Ovi
deepsand
09-17-2009, 05:35 PM
yh As above said... BL is the key factor for ranking.. but age and quality content is the booster of PR and can say all this make Good PR juice
You seem to be confusing PR with SERP Rank.
On-site factors have nothing to do with the PR accrued from IBLs; such do, however, affect the SERP Rank.
nichita2008
09-21-2009, 03:02 AM
It's not possible to have any PR without good backlinks. Just try to have some links from important sites with good relevance to your website content.
deepsand
09-21-2009, 03:42 PM
It's not possible to have any PR without good backlinks.
Actually, even in the absence of IBLs, a page still has PR, albeit very small.
PR is a probability factor, that being the probability that a page will be requested by randoms actions. In the absence of any pages having any IBLs, all pages have a PR = 1/TP, where TP = Total no. of Pages indexed by Google.
The sum of the PRs of all indexed pages, TP, must equal 1. Therefore, as some pages gain PR through IBLs, the PRs of those lacking IBLs falls. But, it never reaches zero.
mimos
09-21-2009, 05:47 PM
What do you need a high pr for?
You just want high traffic. Try to make your website useful and attract users.
Pr comes after.
deepsand
09-21-2009, 07:46 PM
Well, while traffic is indeed the goal, having a high enough PR might help to secure a high enough position in the SERPs so that additional traffic is obtained from the organic/natural listings.
Thus, while PR is not the end goal, it can be one of several paths to that goal.
earnest
09-22-2009, 10:38 AM
Actually, even in the absence of IBLs, a page still has PR, albeit very small.
PR is a probability factor, that being the probability that a page will be requested by randoms actions. In the absence of any pages having any IBLs, all pages have a PR = 1/TP, where TP = Total no. of Pages indexed by Google.
The sum of the PRs of all indexed pages, TP, must equal 1. Therefore, as some pages gain PR through IBLs, the PRs of those lacking IBLs falls. But, it never reaches zero.
From the random surfer standpoint, this is correct. However, it has to be very small indeed, right to the point of negligible - that's what is meant by "no pagerank (to speak of) is possible without IBLs".
CoolGadgetGuy
09-22-2009, 12:53 PM
Well, while traffic is indeed the goal, having a high enough PR might help to secure a high enough position in the SERPs so that additional traffic is obtained from the organic/natural listings.
This is not always the case. I have seen sites with lower PR that outranks sites with higher PR on SERPs.
povidiu
09-22-2009, 12:59 PM
SERP is not the same with PR, you can have small PR but high in SERP.
deepsand
09-22-2009, 04:21 PM
Please re-read my statement, where I said "a high enough PR might help to secure a high enough position in the SERPs."
I am well aware of the distinction between PR, TBPR & SERP Rank.
deepsand
09-22-2009, 04:31 PM
From the random surfer standpoint, this is correct. However, it has to be very small indeed, right to the point of negligible - that's what is meant by "no pagerank (to speak of) is possible without IBLs".
To say that "From the random surfer standpoint, this is correct" implies that the "random surfer standpoint" is not the correct one, when in fact it is the only one embodied in the PR algorithm.
And, not all understand the underlying basis of PR; neither do they understand that TBPR, with a scale of 0-10, is different from PR, which has a scale of 0-1.
There is a distinction between "no" PR and one of "negligible value." Absent a clear explict wording, it is not possible that all will read that which you intend. Therefore, it is necessary to be precise when speaking of "PR," taking care to not assume that others will recognize that which you imply.
deepsand
09-22-2009, 08:45 PM
Exactly my point, ...
:confused:
Your point?
How can that be, when this is your 1st post here?
full house
09-23-2009, 01:59 AM
there is no way to get PR without a link, if you got maybe not so high.
deepsand
09-23-2009, 02:08 AM
there is no way to get PR without a link
Hm-mm; see http://www.webproworld.com/seo-101/88438-getting-high-page-ranking-without-links.html#post466510 .
gareth_esutera
09-28-2009, 12:33 AM
I think the thread starter is referring to page rank in the actual search results, not to the Google PR which is 0 to 10.
Depending on the nature of the organization owning the site, you may or may not need get several backlinks, but to allow search engines to find your site, you still need a few backlinks.
deepsand
09-28-2009, 12:54 AM
I think the thread starter is referring to page rank in the actual search results, ...
That very well may be; however, unless and until the OP returns, we'll never know.
... not to the Google PR which is 0 to 10.
That would be Toolbar PR; the actual PR is a probability value ranging from 0 to 1.
gareth_esutera
09-28-2009, 02:07 AM
That would be Toolbar PR; the actual PR is a probability value ranging from 0 to 1.
I'm not sure about that, as there are so many debates on the internet about the validity of that tool PR. I no longer consider that in promoting my site because using the tools, my site always remains at PR0 despite the number of backlinks, and still, I'm getting the results that I want based on my visitor statistics.
deepsand
09-28-2009, 02:29 AM
I'm not sure about that, as there are so many debates on the internet about the validity of that tool PR.
Debate about what? That PR is a probability value ranging from 0 to 1?
Of that there can be no debate, as such is so defined by the published algorithm.
I no longer consider that in promoting my site because using the tools, my site always remains at PR0 despite the number of backlinks, and still, I'm getting the results that I want based on my visitor statistics.
Firstly, one cannot assume that the PR of 0 to 1 is linearly transformed to the TBPR scale of 0 to 10; and, Google has not publicly disclosed the transformation function employed.
Secondly, PR is but one a very many factors used by the SERP Rank algorithm, such that there is no observable direct correlation between SERP Rank and PR alone.
mimos
09-28-2009, 06:50 AM
One thing that helped me getting closer to the top of google is having new stuff every day. The most updates you have in a day, the better for you.
povidiu
10-02-2009, 10:26 AM
Yes, the content is the king, content, content, content, targeted content on daily basis.
gareth_esutera
10-02-2009, 02:05 PM
Debate about what? That PR is a probability value ranging from 0 to 1? Of that there can be no debate, as such is so defined by the published algorithm.
There's this browser toolbar that allows people to see the supposed PR of the web page they are visiting. Some guys in other forum I visit says they are accurate, others say they're not and others say they are rough approximation (eg. if the bar shows PR4, the actual PR may be any value ranging from 3 to 5), and here now you're saying that PR ranges only from 0 to 1, presenting some sort of fourth side. Publish algorithm? Where is it?
Firstly, one cannot assume that the PR of 0 to 1 is linearly transformed to the TBPR scale of 0 to 10; and, Google has not publicly disclosed the transformation function employed. Secondly, PR is but one a very many factors used by the SERP Rank algorithm, such that there is no observable direct correlation between SERP Rank and PR alone.
Yadah yadah... ok this is given and no need to elaborate. All I said is I stopped focusing on building backlinks for sake of PR and instead build backlinks for sake of exposure (exposure to people, not to spiders). Anyway this is supposed ti be a trade secret of Google so why bother when I can improve my sites on other factors.