Firefox is Beating IE, FINALLY! [Archive]

seosean

06-27-2009, 10:18 PM

According to the stats from w3schools Firefox is beating IE. You'll have to add up all the IE's but it comes out to 41, which is lower than the 47.7 for Firefox. This is May stats for 2009 by the way.

I think this is great! Firefox is a much better browser looking at it from a developer's preservative. Just one aspect of that is, it renders the html and css much more correct than IE. And who can forget the dreaded IE transparent png issue :(

Modified

06-28-2009, 04:23 AM

williamc

06-28-2009, 04:49 AM

No meaning to burst your bubble, but you do know that these stats reflect the user characteristics of their visitors, and mainly internet-aware people visit w3schools. Most ordinary people don't even know what a browser is.

In other words, only webmasters account for those stats. They are skewed so far it is not funny.

SteveGerencser

06-28-2009, 09:12 AM

I help with a site that is more average user and we are seeing IE still at just over 60% of the users..

seosean

06-28-2009, 06:12 PM

No meaning to burst your bubble, but you do know that these stats reflect the user characteristics of their visitors, and mainly internet-aware people visit w3schools. Most ordinary people don't even know what a browser is.

Yeah I know that... but it's still good to see some movement in a positive direction and this is good news for those website owners who have mainly web savvy users.

seosean

06-28-2009, 06:13 PM

I help with a site that is more average user and we are seeing IE still at just over 60% of the users..

What's the percentage of Firefox users you generally see on there?

Modified

06-29-2009, 04:10 AM

Yeah I know that... but it's still good to see some movement in a positive direction and this is good news for those website owners who have mainly web savvy users.Why is it positive? Because you don't like IE's css bugs? What would really be positive is a move to Opera, the best browser by far ;) IMHO :|

seosean

06-29-2009, 04:58 AM

Why is it positive? Because you don't like IE's css bugs? What would really be positive is a move to Opera, the best browser by far ;) IMHO :|

I think almost any movement away from IE towards other solid browsers such as Firefox is positive because of much more than just CSS issues. IE also has numerous rendering issues with images and flash. On top of that it's relatively slow in comparison to other browsers like Firefox, Chrome and Safari (I have not tested it verse Opera but I bet Opera beats it).

But anyways, of course that's my option on the matter and other are welcome to have theirs too. :)

I'm not 100% on Opera's usage, so I'm interested, how does it perform in comparison?

jayparker90

06-29-2009, 10:30 AM

Ya...firefox is getting better and better everyday
i dont know why IE is not getting improved in its statistics
i was a user of IE but now firefox is better for me

anarchy666

06-30-2009, 09:05 AM

yeah IE too slow when used, firefox is so much faster, and all the plugins too.

iPhone Fan

07-01-2009, 06:19 AM

I think browsers should be developed by those companies which know how to develop good browsers. Such a company is Mozilla. Best developer!

bobchrist

07-01-2009, 09:08 AM

Firefox has decent extensions and plugin that's the reason it is so popular.

MrGamm

07-03-2009, 03:12 PM

Firefox is the best... Opera is really good too I might add... I'm not a fan of the other completely un original browsers out there... they are so boring in comparison...

techack

07-11-2009, 11:06 AM

The time will soon come when even Chrome will beat IE, unless IE it improves upon speed

bobchrist

07-15-2009, 08:06 AM

I doubt IE will improves upon speed and benchmark with other available browsers.

kgun

07-15-2009, 09:43 AM

This security related thread may interest some members:

http://www.webproworld.com/internet-security-discussion-forum/84600-browser-shopping-online.html#post438949

Have you read about the new features coming in Opera 10 (http://www.opera.com/browser/next/)? One is called:

Opera Turbo for fast browsing on slow connections. On some sites like WPW you have to delete private data when you use Opera and post a comment. I constantly forget that if I use Opera. That is one reason that I use FF / IE 8 when logging into WPW so browser statistics may be skewed in favor of other browsers.

But which browser is used most when logging into your bank account or shopping on line?

bobchrist

07-20-2009, 07:08 AM

I don't know about the latest update but Payapl was already on the move to block unsafe browsers; BBC NEWS | Technology | Paypal to block 'unsafe browsers' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7354539.stm)

kgun

07-20-2009, 07:12 AM

Or the opposite. Browsers giving warnings about issues with PayPal SSL certificates. I don't know if it is fixed since I use another browser.

innominds

07-20-2009, 10:38 AM

Even though the stats prove that FF has more base than that of IE, but in reality IE is more popular than any other browser. I too agree with the opinion that only developers use FF. For common PC users, the default browser is IE.

bobchrist

07-21-2009, 06:03 AM

Anyway still I have not encountered any issue with PayPal SSL certificates using FF.

kgun

07-21-2009, 09:37 AM

Anyway still I have not encountered any issue with PayPal SSL certificates using FF.
That is one primary reason why I only recommend FF for web masters. The other reason is all the plugins and add-ons.

deepsand

07-26-2009, 11:24 PM

because IE

1. don't have tools like Add-Ons
:confused:

ie addons - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4DMUS_enUS219US219&q=ie+addons)

collen angel

07-28-2009, 02:37 PM

Personally i am using Firefox from couple of years, to be very honest i am very much satisfied with the performance of it. To me it is more worthy than IE.

Bestone

08-01-2009, 09:07 AM

Nodoubt Firefox is getting more popular nowadays .Its functionality is awesome once you used it you will never go for the IE

deepsand

08-01-2009, 10:21 AM

FF's "functionality is awesome."

Quantify, please.

Then, provide comparison of functions points with other browsers.

williamc

08-01-2009, 11:11 AM

FF's "functionality is awesome."

His post was written in a way that it dripped his own opinion. His opinion is no less worthy than your own. Stop trying to belittle users for stating their own opinion of a browser. He does not need to provide statistics to back up an opinion simply because it does not reflect your own.

deepsand

08-01-2009, 11:44 AM

williamc

08-01-2009, 12:00 PM

Do not try to put words in my mouth.

I expressed neither an opinion re. comparative functionality, nor a judgment re. the poster's opinion.

Furthermore, statistics are of no import here.

Of course stats are of import here dear deepsand. The original post was all about stats and the fact that FF had pulled ahead in them.

And yes, with your arguementative post you did indeed attack Bestones opinion. You could have simply said conversationally something like "Why do you think it's so awesome? Could you elborate please". Not order him to quantify his opinion and show documentation to back it up, which is exactly what you did.

You really are going to have to try harder than this.

deepsand

08-01-2009, 01:36 PM

Once more, you dissemble.

Neither I nor the poster in question raised any mention of a matter of a statistical nature; that is merely a red herring introduced by you.

Furthermore, your claim that I "ordered" something be done is specious at best.

As for being argumentative, that distinction here belongs to you alone.

williamc

08-01-2009, 02:48 PM

According to the stats from w3schools Firefox is beating IE.

Actually deepsand, once again you show an ignorance of the printed word. I could have sworn you somehow saw the word 'stats' and glossed over the fact that the original poster did indeed mention 'statistics'. Red herring it may well be, but it is YOU throwing it out.

A to the seond nature of your post, Check your grammar. The form 'would you' would be 'asking' while 'do this' is ordering. Very basic and even my 3 year old grasps it quite well, so I have no doubt you can overcome that.

Oh and for the record, I realize that you changed 'Quantify that.' to 'Quantify, please' after my post in a vain attempt to cover your proverbial arse, glad you realized you were being an ass, but it matters not in the least as to the discussion that you are now debating to try to hide that fact.

Or are you now going to debate that you ever said such a thing?

deepsand

08-01-2009, 07:43 PM

Again, you dissemble.

The poster in question made no mention of anything of a statistical nature; and, neither did I.

You raised such merely as a red herring. Throw it back, or eat it; it's no concern of mine.

Since you are obviously of a pugnacious nature, perhaps you'd like to adjourn to Military.com, where you will find an ample number of members who will most eagerly and sufficiently oblige your dark urges, bare knuckles style. Be advised, though, unlike here, you'll there need to stand on your own; or, fall, as the case may be.

williamc

08-01-2009, 08:07 PM

It truly is sad that you just seem to gloss over the word 'stats' by the OP, and refute what is right there in front of your face. But alas, that is not a flaw everyone else here shares :)

The simple nature of which browser was moving ahead was statistical. The fact that the OP actually said the word 'stats' is just more comical when you debate that.

The fact that you have to turn to childish insults or veiled threats, is in itself even more comical, and does show your true intellectual level IMO :)

Since you are obviously of a pugnacious nature, perhaps you'd like to adjourn to Military.com, where you will find an ample number of members who will most eagerly and sufficiently oblige your dark urges, bare knuckles style. Be advised, though, unlike here, you'll there need to stand on your own; or, fall, as the case may be.

Not to mention you would not find a single person to have a bare knuckle or any other kind of brawl with on military.com.
It is an internet website. Perhaps you should stop trying to pretend you are an intellectual and actually go to school sometime?

deepsand

08-01-2009, 08:26 PM

The OP? Are you blind; or, to use your own words, just plain obtuse?

Try reading the post from which I quoted - http://www.webproworld.com/firefox/86741-firefox-beating-ie-finally.html#post454855 .

As for Military.com, I see that that too went right over your head. And, I'll bet that both the US Naval Academy and Penn State do amply qualify as "schools."

I know your type; I've seen plenty like you in the fleet. Young upstarts that think you know all that is of import; and, that your judgment is superior to all others. We also have ways of disabusing them of that myth.

williamc

08-01-2009, 08:46 PM

The OP? Are you blind; or, to use your own words, just plain obtuse?

Now see? That is where you keep failing D. I don't care in the least what post you quoted. I have simply been passing time, while you keep trying to 'cloud' the issue yet once again.

The issue was not about statistics.

The issue was you attacking a members 'opinion' and making a mockery of it for no other reason than to boost your ego.

Seems you don't like the same thing being done to you tho, does it :)

Sorry to bring that little fact back up after all this time of cloudiness, but it is not being forgotten.

deepsand

08-01-2009, 08:53 PM

ROTFLMAO - Aren't you the clever lad.

crankydave

08-02-2009, 10:42 AM

williamc and deepsand...

Why are the 2 of you droning on about this? You both have completely destroyed this thread.

Stop it! Take it off the boards. Do it by PM, IM, Skype, email, telephone, telegraph, pony express. I don't care.

Dave

michael_dans

08-02-2009, 04:08 PM

I think this forum is used for discussing something but not for blaming each other. It should be a healthy discussion and must help the viewer to draw a conclusion out of the discussion. I believe that crankydave is right, you both should settle it through chatting or through PM.

jayparker90

08-09-2009, 02:42 PM

I do not know much about the stats of w3schools but I have to say one thing that firefox is really taking over IE .I suppose that the downfall of Microsoft has begun.

deepsand

08-09-2009, 10:38 PM

The w3schools stats are from their server logs alone, and are therefore not representative of users as a whole.

A current look at visits of the past 30 days to a client's site, one targeted toward a much broader segment of users than is w3schools, reveals that IE still has a substantial lead over its challengers.

Internet Explorer - 74.74%

Firefox - 17.26%

Safari - 6.27%

Chrome - 1.67%

Other - 0.06%

Reports of the death of IE are premature.

Tubby

08-09-2009, 11:36 PM

for comparison ...

Summary Report
This report highlights the overall page statistics.

Most popular browser among site visitors: MSIE 7.0 (90.22%)
Visitors' most common screen resolution: 1024x768 (71.29%)
Top search engine used to access this page: Google (http://www.google.com) (99.82%)

I edited out everything else - random page selection - this is an automotive site - not targeting webmaster or it professionals .

emma2007

08-21-2009, 12:50 AM

I've been using Firefox for 3 years. From my own experience, Firefox does take more memory than IE, but it's safer and it never crashed. For me its more worthy than IE.

ogletreeseo

08-21-2009, 01:47 AM

I have used FF for many years and I can't live without my plugins. My blog www.ogletreseo.com has 58% FF users.

williamc

08-21-2009, 03:06 AM

I have used FF for many years and I can't live without my plugins. My blog www.ogletreseo.com has 58% FF users.

Right, because it is a website most often visited by webmasters. It is not really a true glimpse of overall web stats.

ogletreeseo

08-21-2009, 03:19 AM

I guess I left that out. Yeah my blog is visited mostly by SEO's so my stats are very high. I have worked on busy general sites and FF is rarely over 15%.

deepsand

08-21-2009, 04:29 PM

I've been using Firefox for 3 years. From my own experience, Firefox does take more memory than IE, but it's safer and it never crashed.
While I find that FF becomes non-responsive much more frequently than does IE, the fact that one can kill the firefox.exe process, and have it attempt to restore the previous session does serve to somewhat redeem it.

Doc

08-21-2009, 04:41 PM

I've been using FF for a couple of years now, and I certainly agree that many webmasters are using alternate browsers, I find that more and more routine-to-accomplished users are coming around to FF, as well. Still, though, the vast majority of the visitors to my sites are IE users.

I personally prefer FF over IE, by a wide margin. I have been meaning to try Opera, but just haven't made the time to do so. I think that MS is going to continue to decline in popularity, but the downside to that is that more and more of our internet scum will be focusing on FF, Opera and the like, with their unending search for vulnerabilities.

deepsand

08-22-2009, 05:35 PM

Bearing in mind that institutional users do, by and large, have needs that are quite different from those of personal users, and given the large installed base of MS products extant among such, IE will almost certainly enjoy a substantial portion of the browser pie for quite some time to come.

Doc

08-22-2009, 08:31 PM

Interesting situation...

I had to do an update on one of my sites today (the first one in my signature), and after doing so, I took a look at my analytics and found something that surprised me.
Today, that site had 148 pageloads, with 61 unique visitors. Of those, 32 were using IE, while 29 were using FF. Not surprising, if it were a site dedicated to SEO or some other IT topic, but it's a water conditioning site. I would have expected to see a greater preponderance of IE users.

Not that that's a bad thing! ;)

deepsand

08-23-2009, 10:03 PM

Have you looked at the geo-locational spread of the visitors?

Given the type of site, it may be that the viewer base is fairly local, so that the stats are rather strongly correllated with the demographics of such locale.

williamc

08-23-2009, 10:20 PM

Doc, another facet would be that it 'is' in your sig here so a lot of webmasters from this forum may be viewing it and skewing the results as well.

Doc

08-23-2009, 11:22 PM

Doc, another facet would be that it 'is' in your sig here so a lot of webmasters from this forum may be viewing it and skewing the results as well.

There were several hits from here (~6 or 7), but the vast majority from StumbleUpon. The rest were primarily technology driven searches, all over the US and UK. Only a half dozen were localized searches.

I don't put a lot of stock in it, in terms of site results, because of such a scattering of StumbleUpon hits. But the great majority were FF users, vs. IE, which is what caught my eye.

deepsand

08-23-2009, 11:34 PM

In that case we might conclude that StumbleUpon users, at least those interested in water softening systems, have a strong preference for FF. Knowing that, along with 50 cents, might get one a cheap cup of coffee.

There's a good chance that these are users who have the StumbleUpon FF add-on/toolbar installed. And, although there's a toolbar for IE as well, most IE users are much less aware of the availability of add-ons than are FF users.

innominds

08-24-2009, 10:54 AM

Definitely, FF will beat IE. Firefox has got almost 50% share in the browser stats.

williamc

08-24-2009, 12:53 PM

Definitely, FF will beat IE. Firefox has got almost 50% share in the browser stats.

more like 15% overall. I doubt it will actually beat IE anytime soon.

donotaskwhoiam

09-07-2009, 12:02 AM

I used firefox all the day before, because of the various extensions that brought so many convenience to me.

But now I use Google Chrome more. And if I need a feature of firefor, then I copy the URL into firefox.

:)

deepsand

09-07-2009, 12:30 AM

And if I need a feature of firefor, then I copy the URL into firefox.
:confused:

What?

cw1865

09-10-2009, 01:17 AM

Doc

09-10-2009, 01:51 AM

In my opinion, the only reason IE is going to be around is that most people who stick with it really don't need the advantages firefox offers, plus many people just don't want to go down a learning curve. I use both IE and firefox since I want to make sure that things look good in IE and it took me about a week before I actually WANTED to go to Firefox first when I switched....

I'm on WORD 2003. Please don't tell me how much better WORD (200{later} is), unfortunately we're getting lost in the idiosyncracies.

:D Sounds like me, cw! I stuck with Win 95 until 98 was ready to be unsupported! I'm still using MSOffice 2007, mostly because I'm comfortable with it.

Hell, I ran DOS based AutoCad as long as I could, because I didn't want to give up and go to Windows based!

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!

You're kinda young to be a dinosaur, though. ;)

cw1865

09-10-2009, 02:46 AM

Well, I'm not that bad! But, if you came over to my house and tried to turn the TV on, guaranteed that might take a minute or two and if you wanted to play a DVD, couple more. On my parents' new computer, which I use only when I visit, their IE doesn't have 'Edit' --> 'Find on this page' {or I just can't find it} which on my computer pops up a search box (on theirs it pops up a field in the lower left hand corner and I resort to CTRL F)

deepsand

09-11-2009, 12:09 AM

I'm still using several personal apps developed in 1972/73, for TRS-DOS, on a Tandy 4-P running LSI-DOS. They run rings around comparable apps running on any Windows box.

Also have a client running a number of mission critical DOS apps on several Win 95 machines. While they run so-so on Win 2K Pro, they're dogs on XP Home, and really suck on XP Pro.

treker

09-19-2009, 11:37 AM

IE will be the browser of the past in a few years. Firefox should work more on memory management. Chrome is the fastest now.

deepsand

09-19-2009, 02:43 PM

IE will be the browser of the past in a few years.
How are the alternative browsers going to get on the desktops of institutional users?

Chief Ken

09-21-2009, 12:01 AM

I am a defense contractor and we are stuck with Vista and IE. We are allowed to D/L FF but our DOIM (Director of Info Man) deletes it off our desktops each evening.

Doc

09-21-2009, 12:09 AM

I am a defense contractor and we are stuck with Vista and IE. We are allowed to D/L FF but our DOIM (Director of Info Man) deletes it off our desktops each evening.

That sux! I am supposing that because of HIS ignorance, rather than any contractual requirement.

I used to do a lot of government contracting, too, but it was in the beginning of the internet era. They didn't really understand the risks of inadequate security, on contractors' systems yet, and as usual, they overreacted to the nth!

Chief Ken

09-21-2009, 12:15 AM

Tell me about it Doc. I'm not one to complain, I just lay out what happens. Thanks for emphasizing what I feel.

deepsand

09-21-2009, 12:26 AM

I am a defense contractor and we are stuck with Vista and IE. We are allowed to D/L FF but our DOIM (Director of Info Man) deletes it off our desktops each evening.
Vista? Did you guys offend the Gods? :( You have my deepest sympathy.

Does your DIOM just delete shortcuts; or, does he actually take the time to do un-installs?

Chief Ken

09-21-2009, 12:34 AM

Doc

09-21-2009, 12:39 AM

Clean wipe. Brother Bill sold the Army a bill of goods, we could have maintained XP until Win7 released but there is big money in Enterprise licensing. Our local IT guys bang their heads with the Vista limitations.

Ain't bureaucracy a wonderful thing, especially when heavily salted with government "wisdom"? :rolleyes:

deepsand

09-21-2009, 12:41 AM

I'm going to bet that the "local IT guys" were left out of the loop re. the decision to "upgrade" to Vista.

Chief Ken

09-21-2009, 12:42 AM

You bet right, it was heaped on them. At the same time Office 2007 was installed and that only frustrated them further.

deepsand

09-21-2009, 01:19 AM

But of course; it's the usual "What do the grunts in trenches knows? They'll take what we give them and be happy with it." attitude. Military or civilian, it's all too frequently that way.

Ever wonder why "customer service" personnel generally seem to be so clueless? It's usually because someone at the top knew so little about their function that it was decided that they hadn't the "need to know." :rolleyes:

Atiga

09-29-2009, 11:37 AM

Internet explorer will still be the largest as long as microsoft is putting IE into their operating systems. And with chrome and safari, firefox is also having its own competitions.

websitescripter

09-30-2009, 07:25 PM

I've been an IE user for years when I switched to Firefox 5 months ago, the latter is way far better.

deepsand

09-30-2009, 07:32 PM

One of the things that makes the transition to FF so much easier than that to other alternative browsers is that FF has retained the look of the IE6 user interface.

EcommerceTechs

10-02-2009, 04:38 PM

We, the firefox users, are a crazy fanatic crew. That will turn the balance to the open source side, sooner or later.

deepsand

10-02-2009, 04:43 PM

We, the firefox users, are a crazy fanatic crew. That will turn the balance to the open source side, sooner or later.
http://www.webproworld.com/firefox/86741-firefox-beating-ie-finally-2.html#post466082

EcommerceTechs

10-02-2009, 05:03 PM

deepsand

10-02-2009, 05:33 PM

I am a defense contractor and we are stuck with Vista and IE. We are allowed to D/L FF but our DOIM (Director of Info Man) deletes it off our desktops each evening.
Yes, but each morning they install firefox or they use it from his pendrive. Firefox will win in the long run.
If you really believe that, in the long run, the managed will overrule those who manage, then you're living in a reality much different from that inhabited by most. :lol:

EcommerceTechs

10-02-2009, 05:45 PM

I believe that some little wars can be won by the managed. A small utopia can grow in a cynical world like a rose in a dumpster.

deepsand

10-02-2009, 05:52 PM

This, however, is no "little war."

You seemingly fail to understand that the needs of institutions are quite different from those of individuals; and, that exceedingly few institutional users possess either the will, the way, or the means to here prevail.

And, even they did, to what end?

EcommerceTechs

10-02-2009, 06:04 PM

I see your point but in this case, the way to prevail is simple and can mean a lot.
And dont get me wrong, I really understand that the IE vs. Firefox thing can be seen like a waste of time. xkcd - A Webcomic - Perspective (http://xkcd.com/198/)

deepsand

10-02-2009, 07:14 PM

I see your point but in this case, the way to prevail is simple ...
And, that way would be what?

... and can mean a lot.
What; and, to whom?

To institutions, who do and will continue to comprise the largest use base?

That is the Holy Grail.

EcommerceTechs

10-02-2009, 07:58 PM

deepsand

10-02-2009, 08:41 PM

The way to prevail is simply using FireFox.
And that can mean a lot not only to the institutions but also, and this is more important, to the users. Because they wil use a better browser and they will have a better online experience. It´s naive, I know, but is the final goal of the FireFox "crusade"
That's no more than circular reasoning. :rolleyes:

If you cannot come up with a list of specific benefits which will accrue to institutions, and convince them of such, they are not going to change. :shock:

Chief Ken

10-02-2009, 11:07 PM

I don't know what it is but my version 3.53 adress bar fails to update as I change websites. If I type a domain this FF version will not navigate. I did a reinstall twice with no change. I'm thinking about Chrome now.

deepsand

10-02-2009, 11:20 PM

I've had absolutely no problems with 3.53 on 5 different platforms. Is this problem isolated to a particular machine?

You might consider starting a separate thread, posing this as a tech problem, in the very same sub-forum as is this thread; i.e., in Browsers - WebProWorld (http://www.webproworld.com/browsers/) .

mikenormal

10-05-2009, 02:26 PM

Yeah, Google chrome is getting very popular and I must say I like it :p

deepsand

10-05-2009, 03:01 PM

:confused:

A search of the Title of this thread finds the words "Firefox" & "IE," but not "Chrome."

innominds

10-05-2009, 03:45 PM

Chrome is definitely in the business but it will take time to get its share of cake.

deepsand

10-05-2009, 03:51 PM

This thread is about Firefox.

Chrome thread is at http://www.webproworld.com/google-discussion-forum/90319-google-chrome-3rd-most-used-brower.html#post462382 .

newyorkshopping

10-05-2009, 08:24 PM

I hated firefox before. Now, it's my official browser. I can't deny that it is more stable than IE, so many bugs, God!

deepsand

10-05-2009, 08:28 PM

IE6 is exceedingly stable; and, still has the largest user share!

Doc

10-05-2009, 10:50 PM

I used IE for years, resisting the temptation to try FireFox, or any of the others. When I finally tried FF, I was hooked. The functionality of it is great, although there are downsides.

It's a resource hog.
New releases always seem to leave my favorite add-ons behind.
Did I mention it's a resource hog?

Still, I won't be going back to IE. Too many add-on features that I couldn't live without. I have 99 different sites on my five different tabs of Speed Dial, most of which, I use daily.

Couldn't live without it!;)

deepsand

10-05-2009, 11:11 PM

While I do indeed like FF, I still find IE6 more than able bodied; each offers capabilities/functions/features that the other does not, ones that I rely on regularly, such that I'd be hard pressed to give up either.

BTW, did anyone mention that FF is a resource hog? ;)

For other than the casual user, FF can be a real show stopper on minimalist platforms (less than 1 Gig RAM), bringing an otherwise perfectly good box to its knees to the point of requiring a cold restart. :shock:

As for IE add-ons, there are a surprising large no. of such available, but most remain unheard of for lack of adequate promotion. :confused:

deepsand

10-11-2009, 03:41 AM

In that regard, there are those, such as myself, who frequently observe quite the opposite.

I suspect that the difference lies in the types of pages one most frequently visits, as well as the specific browser versions and/or add-ons being used.

Clint1

10-12-2009, 01:46 AM

Definitely, FF will beat IE. Firefox has got almost 50% share in the browser stats.
Although it depends on where you look, I've never seen that before. Most unbiased stats places have FF at about 25-27% and IE at about 65%. Yep, it's still about the same (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers). (I see Chrome has gone from 2, 2.5, to 3%. Still rather infinitesimal).

deepsand

10-12-2009, 12:22 PM

Which is still less than IE6 alone holds!

Clint1

10-12-2009, 02:55 PM

Which is still less than IE6 alone holds!
Yeah, about 39% for IE6.

deepsand

10-12-2009, 02:59 PM

Which goes a long way towards showing the staying power of IE6, which remains the mainstay for many institutional users.

Clint1

10-12-2009, 03:14 PM

Which goes a long way towards showing the staying power of IE6, which remains the mainstay for many institutional users.
Or as some IE6 bashers might say "institutionalized" users. :lol:

deepsand

10-12-2009, 03:36 PM

Yes, the IE6 bashers should most definitely be institutionalized. :mrgreen:

Clint1

10-13-2009, 10:24 AM

Just to be clear, I didn't say that. :lol: Noooo not me.

Fiveonline

10-13-2009, 11:34 AM

Hi
Firefox is doing very well but it will take time to beat IE.

deepsand

10-14-2009, 08:07 PM

Hi
Firefox is doing very well but it will take time to beat IE.
TO REPEAT :

It will take much more than time alone.

As yet unaddressed by the fans of either Chrome or FF is the question of how to get either of these browsers unto the desktops of institutional users, whose needs and purchasing habits are quite different from those of personal users.

confoundit

10-31-2009, 10:10 PM

I know Firefox has been around for quite a while now, but I confess until a couple of weeks ago, I had never tried it. I finally downloaded it, and now I can understand why everyone loves it.

deepsand

11-01-2009, 05:51 PM

For some, it's love at first site; for others, it's an affection that grows with time.

innominds

11-04-2009, 01:16 AM

Doc

11-04-2009, 11:13 AM

I was reading yesterday that FF had passed up all versions of IE in some parts of Europe.

deepsand

11-04-2009, 01:06 PM

October 2009 browser stats: Firefox finally passes IE6 - Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/october-2009-browser-stats-firefox-finally-passes-ie6.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss)

This is the latest news that tells Firefox has finally surpassed IE6 browser.
If one looks closely, and makes consistent comparisons, the facts are that globally :

IE, all versions, leads FF, all versions, 64.64% to 24.07%
IE 6 leads FF 3.5, 23.3% to 13.9%
IE 6 alone barely trails FF, all versions, 23.3% to 23.83%

Seems that the celebration is still quite premature.

Clint1

11-04-2009, 01:20 PM