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MichelH
03-17-2004, 06:21 AM
Hi all,
I hear stories that submitting your web site through submission software is not good enough and that you have to do it manually. (Any idea how long it takes?) I have been using WebPosition Gold for over 3 years now and I have never had any problems with it. I only use it to submit our site and run reports once in a while. Are SE rules on using WebPosition Gold changing and will it hurt my listings if I submit automatically? Can someone tell me what is the fastest way to get your web site indexed?
Thanks in advance.
minstrel
03-17-2004, 10:42 AM
The fastest way is to submit your site to directories -- and if you wish manually to a few of the major search engines, or just let the spiders find you.
Submitting using software isn't going to help you a lot, IMO, and it just might hurt in some circumstances. Google says:
Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our terms of service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold™ that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.
TrafficProducer
03-17-2004, 01:04 PM
Here's some links to such Submission software
http://www.downloads.ukprofessionals.com/
Software can help so long as you don't post too often.
It can hurt if overdone.
It dosen't actually help much either.
We have had numerous threads on this...
CBP
I concur cbp. It's best to spend your time and money elsewhere and have patience. It may make you "feel" like you are doing something, but you can get the same results (if not better) by not feeding your "need to submit".
brandblast
03-17-2004, 05:01 PM
We use automation software and have gained first page ranking, on several keywords we targeted for our hosting package features.
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SITESTUDIO (http://www.google.com/search?q=sitestudio&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N)
OSCOMMERCE SHOP (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=oscommerce+shop)
Without going further into our optimization techniques, I found automation software does not hurt our rankings in any way. It would be interesting to hear other experiences.
We use automation software and have gained first page ranking, on several keywords we targeted for our hosting package features
How do you know that you got it from the automation software and not other factors?
There would normally be no way that any site can get a first page ranking without links, which means Google crawled you --> submission would be a total waste.
CBP
brandblast
03-17-2004, 05:07 PM
OK let me rephrase, we use automation software and have a top page ranking, so it does not seem to hurt your ranking.
OK let me rephrase, we use automation software and have a top page ranking, so it does not seem to hurt your ranking
Why do you use it?
CBP
brandblast
03-17-2004, 06:28 PM
Why do we use submission software? Is that the question? Could you be more specific in your question please.
Why do we use submission software? Is that the question?
Yes.
Why bother?, if you have good links (you do) all the crawler based SE's (ie Google, Yahoo etc) will find and index you.
CBP
TrafficProducer
03-18-2004, 04:34 AM
No. 1
OK! If all anyone ever users is Google. There are abour a thousand search engines out there and to get listed on them all would take a lifetime plus.
We use a computer to access, make webpages; so use a computer to submit as well.
(Submiting by hand is best; but if you have a number of sites this would take too much time)
Why do we use submission software? Is that the question?
Yes.
Why bother?, if you have good links (you do) all the crawler based SE's (ie Google, Yahoo etc) will find and index you.
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minstrel
03-18-2004, 10:17 AM
OK! If all anyone ever users is Google. There are abour a thousand search engines out there and to get listed on them all would take a lifetime plus.
But there are not a thousand that matter - more like half a dozen. The major search engines are crawler based which means that they will find you if you have even one link to your site. If you don't even have one link, (1) you can submit manually to one of the search engines and tghe rest of the crawler-based engines will then find you, but (2) if you have no links to your site, getting found is the least of your problems because you'll be lucky to show up on page 100 of the results pages.
Submitting to DIRECTORIES is another matter - you do need to submit to those: again do it manually.
The problem with automated submission software is that most submit you to a lot of places that are either unnecessary or useless or both.
MichelH
03-19-2004, 06:14 AM
Thank you for all the replies. I have submitted manually at Yahoo and DMOZ today. Are there any other important directories where I should submit? I am currently considering to do it automatically on a monthly basis for other search engines and manually for Google.
amabaie
03-19-2004, 05:14 PM
To answer the original question...yes, it hurts. Every second you spend submitting is a second not spent doing something useful.
amabaie:
To answer the original question...yes, it hurts. Every second you spend submitting is a second not spent doing something useful.
LOL - this is the best thing said in this thread!!!!
CBP