Link exchange with non related websites=bad for search engine ranking?

[JUSTADDMUSCLE.COM]

I have had quite a few websites want to exchange links with our supplement and vitamin online store through a link exchange program. Some of these pages seem to have really high google PR. Would exchanging links with these high ranked websites affect my search in bad away since they are not related to bodybuilding supplements or would i benefit from linking to them?

[janeth]

I wouldn't exchange links.

You can get better links from social media sites without having to worry about whose linking to you.

[JUSTADDMUSCLE.COM]

I wouldn't exchange links.

You can get better links from social media sites without having to worry about whose linking to you.

But exchanging links with related sites is definitely good right? Like bodybuilding message boards and such?

[janeth]

But exchanging links with related sites is definitely good right? Like bodybuilding message boards and such?

I would link to sites that add value to your site visitor and no others.

[JUSTADDMUSCLE.COM]

I would link to sites that add value to your site visitor and no others.

Adding value to site visitors meaning visitors that are actually interested in purchasing? Sorry I am a noob at this.:(

[janeth]

Adding value to site visitors meaning visitors that are actually interested in purchasing? Sorry I am a noob at this.:(

If you have an information site about race cars and you hear about a new race track in Georgia, where people can go and race cars, then a link would be good for your visitors.

However, if you're selling a product than you want to lead your visitors through the site and into the purchasing area.

You don’t want any links leaving the landing page other than the purchase now link.

But you need links coming into the site, so you go to a site like squidoo.com and set up a page. Then you get links to that page from directories and bookmarking sites.

The idea is to try and make it rank in the search engines as well as link it back to your main site. You get the boost from the link as well as the added traffic.

Then you go to the free blogging sites and start building blogs on their sites about your product and start linking them back to your main site. And once again you bookmark those sites as well as submit them to directories.

Once you get the hang of it you build something like this with the free blog sites.

http://wristbands.geeksonsteroids.com/images/chart.png

Now, you’ll notice #6 is not linking out to anyone. That’s because #6 is your main site.

The real power is in the amount of traffic it is able to send to your site.

[JUSTADDMUSCLE.COM]

Thank you for the great information and help. if you ever need any advice on Supplements,diet,fitness or training please feel free to ask. Will be more than glad to return the great advice.

[janeth]

Thank you for the great information and help. if you ever need any advice on Supplements,diet,fitness or training please feel free to ask. Will be more than glad to return the great advice.

Thanks a lot, I might take you up on that.

[JUSTADDMUSCLE.COM]

We will be adding a fitness forum on the justaddmuscle.com site or you can email questions to the contact us email on the site any time.

[JUSTADDMUSCLE.COM]

This is one of the lens I made:Proper way to use bodybuilding supplements to achieve your goals. (http://www.squidoo.com/Bodybuilding-Supplements-) Not sure if its right though.

[janeth]

This is one of the lens I made:Proper way to use bodybuilding supplements to achieve your goals. (http://www.squidoo.com/Bodybuilding-Supplements-) Not sure if its right though.

It looks good but I don't see the link back to your site.

[janeth]

We will be adding a fitness forum on the justaddmuscle.com site or you can email questions to the contact us email on the site any time.

If it was me I'd add both a forum and a blog.

[shakir]

Link exchange with any type of site is not a problem and will get some benefit, only will be in trouble if the linked site is a spam, hacking or penalized site. But always I prefer go for one way link instead of reciprocal and forum is the best way to get it

[scanmonkey]

I have had quite a few websites want to exchange links with our supplement and vitamin online store through a link exchange program. Some of these pages seem to have really high google PR. Would exchanging links with these high ranked websites affect my search in bad away since they are not related to bodybuilding supplements or would i benefit from linking to them?

Link exchange programs are usually garbage. More often that not the backlinks are on deep pages, orphan pages, no follow pages or spammy pages. Google also considers excessive link exchanges as spam.

However, trading link withsome site owners may be a way to pick-up a few good backlinks.



However, if you're selling a product than you want to lead your visitors through the site and into the purchasing area.

You don’t want any links leaving the landing page other than the purchase now link.

But you need links coming into the site, so you go to a site like squidoo.com and set up a page. Then you get links to that page from directories and bookmarking sites.

The idea is to try and make it rank in the search engines as well as link it back to your main site. You get the boost from the link as well as the added traffic.

Then you go to the free blogging sites and start building blogs on their sites about your product and start linking them back to your main site. And once again you bookmark those sites as well as submit them to directories.

Once you get the hang of it you build something like this with the free blog sites.

The real power is in the amount of traffic it is able to send to your site.

Good suggestions! The squido page is a great idea.

I don't like the idea of the free blogs though. I would rather set up a blog and concentrate on building content and making the blog an authority. It really depends on how much time you have to set up blogs and bookmark.

[MeanSEO]

Now, you’ll notice #6 is not linking out to anyone. That’s because #6 is your main site.


I beg to disagree.

Sites should be as "natural" as possible to rank well.

I have found relevant OUTBOUND links have helped many sites I have worked on and more often than not I don not use no follows.

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by janeth
Now, you’ll notice #6 is not linking out to anyone. That’s because #6 is your main site.

I beg to disagree.

Sites should be as "natural" as possible to rank well.

I have found relevant OUTBOUND links have helped many sites I have worked on and more often than not I don not use no follows.

Linking out on a 'shopping cart' site can cost you some sales.

It really depends on the type of site. For instance, linking out on a real estate site can be a benefit.

[janeth]

I beg to disagree.

Sites should be as "natural" as possible to rank well.

I have found relevant OUTBOUND links have helped many sites I have worked on and more often than not I don not use no follows.

Please show proof of where an outbound link has helped ranking.

Then show where I said not to link out.

I'm sure you'll be unable to show either.

[awios]

It not bad but just not a perfect way to get higher rank on SEs, my idea;)

[janeth]

It not bad but just not a perfect way to get higher rank on SEs, my idea;)

What the heck are you talking about?

[awios]

What the heck are you talking about?

What SEs and you thinking about when you see a website about web design but got lots of backlink from porn sites? You will lose, so the best way to increase your SERPs is get backlinks from relevant websites;-).

[janeth]

What SEs and you thinking about when you see a website about web design but got lots of backlink from porn sites? You will lose, so the best way to increase your SERPs is get backlinks from relevant websites;-).

And no one said any different. Can you show me the post where they were talking about getting links from porn sites?

I must have missed that one.

[awios]

And no one said any different. Can you show me the post where they were talking about getting links from porn sites?

I must have missed that one.

No one, madam, it is the worst thing that a good webmaster shouldn't do. But you can see this forum is marked as a spam forum, so I think backlinks from here is not good now:-?.

[janeth]

No one, madam, it is the worst thing that a good webmaster shouldn't do. But you can see this forum is marked as a spam forum, so I think backlinks from here is not good now:-?.

And where is this forum marked as a spam forum?

[kevsta]

And where is this forum marked as a spam forum?

hola chica, happy new year :)

one question, why do you even bother with discussions with these people? they don't read the threads first, they just come on and spout their irrelevant know-nothing nonsense.

you cant win, because they'll never get it.

[janeth]

hola chica, happy new year :)

one question, why do you even bother with discussions with these people? they don't read the threads first, they just come on and spout their irrelevant know-nothing nonsense.

you cant win, because they'll never get it.

Hola Chico,

And Happy New Year to you as well. The problem is that a lot of people reading the thread have no idea about these people. So ignoring their stupid comments is sometimes hard to do.

Although a look at his sig. and we find that he is happy with people that trade web design work for pizza's.

I guess when they say, I'll work for food, they really mean it.

[awios]

hola chica, happy new year :)

one question, why do you even bother with discussions with these people? they don't read the threads first, they just come on and spout their irrelevant know-nothing nonsense.

you cant win, because they'll never get it.
Ok, sorry everybody, we're not read and understand each other.
Happy New Year!!! :smile:

[kevsta]

Hola Chico,

And Happy New Year to you as well. The problem is that a lot of people reading the thread have no idea about these people. So ignoring their stupid comments is sometimes hard to do.

Although a look at his sig. and we find that he is happy with people that trade web design work for pizza's.

I guess when they say, I'll work for food, they really mean it.

heh heh, well to be fair it depends how good the pizza is. give it a little while longer and decent pizza will be worth far more than a handful of US dollars

and yes I know, we do have to worry about noobs (who dont know everything already) reading misinformation etc.

you have more patience than I ;)

[Webnauts]

No one, madam, it is the worst thing that a good webmaster shouldn't do. But you can see this forum is marked as a spam forum, so I think backlinks from here is not good now:-?.
What the God damn hell are you talking about? You seem to be also one of those "Wannabes" SEOs. Do you need a prove?

You said:


... you can see this forum is marked as a spam forum, so I think backlinks from here is not good now.Now my questions:

1. Where the hell is the forum marked as a spam forum? :mad:

2. If you think Mr. Wannabe SEO Expert that this forum is classified as spam forum and backlinks from here are not good, why do you have a link to your web site in your signature. Are you suicidal or retarded? :roll:

You better come up with some good answers. If not, you revealed to the members here what you are! :cool:

[Webnauts]

Hola Chico,

And Happy New Year to you as well. The problem is that a lot of people reading the thread have no idea about these people. So ignoring their stupid comments is sometimes hard to do.

Although a look at his sig. and we find that he is happy with people that trade web design work for pizza's.

I guess when they say, I'll work for food, they really mean it.

No worries Janeth! I think I found him! :p


http://www.seoworkers.com/images/food.jpg

[MeanSEO]

Relevant doesn't mean competition and yes linking out on a shopping site will work if you don't send them to a place that wil work against sales. I also always use target=blank to keep visitors "struck".

Some great examples of good relevant outbound links to sprinkle on your site would be .Gov or EDU sites that support your sales and technical statements. Medical journals and research sites work as well. I have also done this with linking to NPO sites with good reputations that have worked wonders.

Janeth do your own research and you will find support what I have stated. Outbound anchor text helps and links to good sites that are relevant help - Period. Just don't (as with any SEO tool) overdo it.

PR hording and the hierarchy in that chart are outdated. Would that look natural to Google? Don't you think that Google can see that hierarchy?

High quality content packed, relevant, well structured, NATURAL sites win (and stay winners) and of yea, links do help but give the the first 4 over links everyday.

[Webnauts]

I was reading yesterday night: Frank Rich: Why I link Nieman Journalism Lab Pushing to the Future of Journalism (http://www.niemanlab.org/2008/12/frank-rich-why-i-link/)

I highly recommend to read! :)

[janeth]

Relevant doesn't mean competition and yes linking out on a shopping site will work if you don't send them to a place that wil work against sales. I also always use target=blank to keep visitors "struck".

The website should guide them in the direction you want them to go. Done correctly you want need to target blank.


Some great examples of good relevant outbound links to sprinkle on your site would be .Gov or EDU sites that support your sales and technical statements.

lol,


Medical journals and research sites work as well. I have also done this with linking to NPO sites with good reputations that have worked wonders.

lol, How about if I link to Google?

I wonder if linking to Yahoo or MSN hurts me on Google while helps me on the other two. You're so smart.


Janeth do your own research

I have and it did nothing. If you had something to share I'm sure you would.


and you will find support what I have stated.

Nope, unlike you I test stuff before I say it will or want work. And this does nothing.


Outbound anchor text helps and links to good sites that are relevant help - Period.

Period, as long as you don't test it.


Just don't (as with any SEO tool) overdo it.

Linking out to other sites divide the pr from our sites with the other sites. This causes us to pass less PR to our own pages.

To say it would hurt is an understatement


PR hording and the hierarchy in that chart are outdated.

Outdated how?


PR hording and the hierarchy in that Would that look natural to Google?

Yes it would, the link structure was copied off a very popular site online with one small cluster of sites that are linking to it.



Don't you think that Google can see that hierarchy?

lol

Let me see if I can help you with this. We have a site that will be getting links from directories; bookmarking sites as well as linking out to sites they feel will help their site visitors. The site has a blog and forum that will be brining links into the site as well.

I’ve said a couple times about them linking out but that seems to be a bit hard for you to understand. Out of thousands of links this is but one cluster of links, linking back to this site.

The chart was copied from a site that exist online and got it’s links naturally.



High quality content packed, relevant, well structured, NATURAL sites win (and stay winners) and of yea, links do help but give the the first 4 over links everyday.

Please show me where I said not to have content on the site.

[janeth]

No worries Janeth! I think I found him! :p


http://www.seoworkers.com/images/food.jpg

lol, yes that looks about right.

[MeanSEO]

Janeth, please do me a favor, when I start another thread here don't bother to add any of your snide, insulting, and misinformed egotistical remarks.

I am glad that you are such an expert that knows everything and is unable to learn from others with far more experience than you.

For anyone reading this thread with an open mind, beta my suggestions and you will see it works.

By the way, only a very foolish black hat would post "links for sale" in their sig a clear violation of Google's TOS on a web master SEO board. Are you even aware of the increased policing of selling links? I guess not.

Keep wearing your black hat and I will wear my white hat as I ride into the sunset.

Color me out of this thread.

[janeth]

Janeth, please do me a favor, when I start another thread here don't bother to add any of your snide, insulting, and misinformed egotistical remarks.

If you post incorrect information I will post what I believe to be the truth. And I’ll even watch for your post now that I know you plan to make them as well as blog about them .


I am glad that you are such an expert that knows everything and is unable to learn from others with far more experience than you.

Whom are you talking about?

Would you like to put that to a test?


For anyone reading this thread with an open mind, beta my suggestions and you will see it works.

Or that it does not work and a better understanding of Google and how links work is in order.


By the way, only a very foolish black hat would post "links for sale" in their sig a clear violation of Google's TOS on a web master SEO board. Are you even aware of the increased policing of selling links? I guess not.

lol, Why don't you give Matt a call?


Keep wearing your black hat and I will wear my white hat as I ride into the sunset.

Color me out of this thread.

A black hat is the villain or bad guy in an old western movie. He is the character wearing a black hat in contrast to the hero's white hat. The phrase is often used figuratively, especially in SEO slang, where it refers to a technique that breaks search engine rules.

Google says that white hat SEO is someone that would write copy, give advice on site architecture and help in finding relevant directories to which a site can be submitted.

Anything else would be black hat.

While copy is very important, without links going to that copy, no one will ever find it or read it. And no matter how good the site architecture is, without some outside influences it want make any difference. And I am all for submitting sites to directories but the truth of the matter is, they have very little affect on getting a site to rank.

However, I don’t see where you offer writing as a service therefore your either black hat or ripping off your clients.
I’d much rather be called a black hat than a rip off.

[awios]

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