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Garrett
03-03-2004, 02:06 PM
Search Engine Watch editor Danny Sullivan's Keynote speech yesterday was entitled Search Wars. I really enjoyed his speech. It was pretty funny because he used a Star Wars font on his Powerpoint presentation. :-)

The Death Star in the Search Wars was none other than the reigning search champion Google, with the Rebel Forces of Yahoo and other engines now entering the scene.

Sullivan is pleased with this, saying, "I like diversity in search engines."

Each search engine has its own advantages and disadvantages.

"Yahoo has a great brand," he said. People tend to think of Google when they think of search, but Yahoo has been a well-known namebrand since the beginning and the company has the ability to lock people in with its news, email, and personalization features.

Meanwhile, MSN has received a lot of hype, but Sullivan doesn't believe Microsoft has entered the search engine wars yet. However, Microsoft already has a broad base of people using its Internet Explorer browser, which could provide the company with extra leverage and prove to be an advantage in the search engine wars.

America Online has a built-in browser and portal lock in on its users. "With AOL, we have the mother of all search bars," he said.

AskJeeves only makes up for about 4% of searchers, but the company has a very strong search brand nonetheless.

He compared search engines to major television networks, drawing the parallel that even though there's only a few search engines their reach is very broad. Even when e-Businesses find their rankings slipping on some engines, no one goes out of business overnight.

Following along with television model, his analogy relates niche players such as Gigablast (http://gigablast.com) to the cable television model. These niche players are typically smaller and run by fewer people. However, they are still very helpful to searchers and have each developed their own business models.

Google Confusion. Sullivan said his own company Search Engine Watch (http://www.searchenginewatch.com) was started due to the amount of "Googlefusion," or confusion about how to rank well in Google.

He said, "To some degree forget about Google and do what you think is best for humans."

Luckily, in the world of search the "Googlopoly" has lessened. With its main competitor Yahoo moving towards transparency, there is pressure on Google to become more open with its users. He believes Google will eventually open up about its "mystery signals" - the signals Google currently uses to help determine page rank.

Despite this pressure, he says Google is clearly still working for searchers and webmasters alike. Google swept the Search Engine Watch awards for Best Search Engine, among others.

It's important to keep in mind that search results will never be static. e-Business owners must pay close attention to their rankings, page content, and advertising.

An overview of the world of search. A recent survey indicated that relevancy, credibility, and fast results are more important qualities to search engine users than usability and branding.

Sullivan pointed out that you can't buy your way into search. Search engines must build their brands through word of mouth and performance. Excite already tried buy its way into search engine popularity a few years ago through heavy television advertising - but instead Excite became an example of what not to do.

Another problem is the current technology barrier search engines face when crawling sites. MSN, for example, has spent the last two years developing its own crawler. Meanwhile, Google is constantly making updates to its algorithm.

Not all the players in the search engine war have the traffic for growth potential and even if they did, many wouldn't be able to handle the amount of spam that would result. If you invite the world into your search engine, Sullivan warned, a very small population of people will go to the extremes.

Things are Getting Personal. With more specialty search engines to come, personalization will divide the spam wars into a thousand different fronts. Look forward to more individual spam, he said.

Yahoo could have personalization at the flip of a switch, but he also pointed out that Google isn't too far behind. The search giant could quickly gather lots of personal information about its users, especially through its new Orkut service, or by starting a mail service similar to Yahoo's.

Personalize search raises some concerns among some people, especially those who don't trust the search engines' intentions. "Who knows what Microsoft know about us?" he asked, playing on the common belief that Microsoft is not a company to trust with personal information, causing the audience to respond with laughter.

He asked search engines to come up with a standard way of determining relevancy. Search engines should clarify scientifically and mathematically what is meant by the term "relevant." Scientifically and mathematically show us.

That's a great request!

The Trouble with Paid Inclusion. The free-loading web can expect to pay more as Yahoo dives into paid inclusion, he said. The term "free loading web," which he got from an anonymous search executive, refers to site owners who get results through organic traffic.

Paid inclusion sends a mixed message. Searchers want fresh comprehensive data in the index while marketers believe paid inclusion is important for getting sites listed. With paid inclusion, sites are guaranteed listings, sites are listed quicker, and site owners can tell if they've been banned without a guessing game. However, users have to question whether the search engines with paid inclusion programs are offering comprehensive results.

He posed the question to Yahoo: is it possible to get rid of the free loading web while maintaining search relevancy? In order to make it clear to users which sites have paid for placements, he requested that Yahoo develop some way of indicating which sites in the search engine results pages are paid inclusion sites.

The latest buzz. He ended the session with a list of predictions for the world of search. Things we can expect:

- Many professionals and experts alike have been predicting an upcoming rise in advertising costs.
- A popular advertising concept is using a bucket model for bidding, which takes the research out of buying keywords by allowing advertisers to buy all the keywords for a given area that apply to their site. This relieves stress for site owners, who therefore don't have to worry about whether or not they're hitting every single keyword. Site owners can hit them all with one shotgun blast.
- Watch for local advertising to come to Overture.
- And finally, don't worry: even though paid inclusion is growing in popularity, free listings won't go away.

WebMetro
03-03-2004, 04:59 PM
Personally, I'm looking forward to a market share war. This is the first big clash we have had in quite some time when it comes to search engines.

Direct competition is good for the market place and will cause better search results, more dollars in R&D and in the end, the better search engine will emerge.

venividi
03-04-2004, 01:50 PM
I am a webmaster but an intensive searcher too. As a searcher I often navigate even to page 25 but I avoid search engines with paid listings because when looking, say, for office furniture, I am aware I am not getting a sufficiently complete list of manufacturers / businesses, but only the ones who paid for being there. That's why I prefer Google.

Valeria Vernon
http://www.vernondata.it
http://www.e-passport.it

lrobertson
03-05-2004, 09:16 AM
I too welcome more competition amoung the search engines. The pressure to rank in the top ten in keyword terms on Google is very hard for businesses to achieve but is unavoidable due to Google's 80% market share. If there are more good quality engines where users can get good search results then it has to be a good thing for all involved.
I suppose the real question is whether the changes at Yahoo will influence "Joe Public" when they are searching. Somehow I feel that it will be very hard for another search engine to rival the use of Google for searching seeing only last month it was voted number one brand of 2003!

AussieWebmaster
03-08-2004, 12:33 PM
I enjoyed the four day scurry at SES NYC. Yahoo PFI, everyone's push for localizing PPC, the usual complaints about 'free' versus paid results all were discussed and rediscussed.
I think the real competition will come from the actual advertisers as they determine their methods of using all the elements to best position their companies.
At the search engine level it will take a long time for these manuevers to level out if they ever really will. Once one element stabilizes there are always new ones emerging. It does not matter how many engines and how many different models there are. Whatever the move it is ultimately up to the advertisers to adapt or lose ground.
It was amusing to hear people complain about the cost factor... there was one person talking about the 17 cent margin he has to play with using PPC and PFI... guess he has not considered the possibility of optimizing his landing pages and on page effectiveness to improve his close ratio and thuis lowering the cost.
I learned the most during a conversation with the guys at Did-It, as they tried to pitch me their services, listening intently at ways to improve ROI.
I also saw that most advertisers and SEM companies are xenophobic... the Spanish Search seminar was very sparsely attended and yet developing successful methods of converting traffic has to look at your audience reach. Even within the US, there are many surfers who feel more comfort in speaking languages other than English. Take advantage of that and you open up new markets at reduced acquisition costs.
The same is true if companies have the ability to sell internationally... the PPC costs for other countries and languages are far cheaper than the highly nationalistic US english language PPC engines.
Hey I will let everyone fight over the US stuff (well actually it is a zero sum game so I will be playing in that arena too)... but I am off to Asia and Europe to make some really impressive ROI!

xmx
03-08-2004, 05:53 PM
I add my opinion too to the Search Engine Wars Saga:

Once upon a time there was the Giant Directory Portal called Yahoo that many considered a dark force.

Only a few were listed in their directory and impossible was to understand which factors helped to be elected.

The situation went worse when the same site requested the 100 $ to be reviewed (not to be listed) fee, with total exclusion of all european and asian websites.

That was the real Death Star of search engines in my opinion.

Then arrived Google to give freedom to the internet, in fact it was simply a free service.

Years passed and Google followed the Overture path, with the pay per click feature.

Now I read they are considered the current Death Star, just because they provide the favourite service of the internet searchers.

I continue considering Google a good service and Yahoo a source of bad experiences.

XMX

AussieWebmaster
03-08-2004, 06:38 PM
I feel like humming the Star Wars theme while reading the above.

haystack
03-08-2004, 07:10 PM
Competition within the search engine market is definitely a good thing. We all benefit from a battle over relevancy and search engine features. Yahoo is doing some interesting things with local search targeting and related searches.

On a related topic, the quality of Pay Per Click programs have improved a LOT since Google got into the game and started pushing Overture to innovate.

xmx
03-08-2004, 09:13 PM
thanks AussieWebmaster,

I take it as a compliment...

I just want to add that it would be much better IMO if competition forgot to refer to war, violence, death and similar.
Overall on the internet that still has increadible chances to grow worldwide.

I don't have evidences but I believe that extreme aggressive techniques both in online marketing and in cracking are the main causes that keep people away from the internet.

Less competition and more global smoothness toward the users would bring better long term results.

The right way to use the concept of war should be only versus illegality and what is harmful as it has been in the real world concerning big deseases and criminal organisations.

XMX

simonm
03-09-2004, 04:17 AM
Fundamentally our views on which search engine is best, or suits us as SEOs is irrelevant, its the millions of web users that count in terms of which search engine will be pre-eminent.

This is sad for many very small businesses that used to rely on Google for web presence that now barely rank anywhere unless for a highly focused search term that likely includes a location. However for the web user, this is largely irrelevant. If they don't see a web site listed, they can only assume it doesn't exist.

My stats show Google's share of the market increasing almost on a monthly basis - and my sites are equally well placed on other search listings. What does change is the move towards regional searches, more UK based users now use google.co.uk than before, also more focused searches. The sign of a maturing market, though in my opinion still very small and in its infancy compared with where it will eventually go.

minstrel
03-09-2004, 10:35 AM
I have to agree with simonm.

However, I don't think we should let any of that stop us from humming the Star Wars theme - it's just so darn catchy!