The unwinking gaze

[kgun]

Yesterday I saw a very informative English progam on Norwegian Tv about Dalai Lama. I did not know that there was a website about the inside story of Dalai Lama's struggle for Tibet (http://www.unwinkinggaze.com/).

One of the best achievements President George Bush (http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/) has done in my view, is that he has supported Dalai Lama. Some will criticize him for joining the opening seremoni.

This is very difficult. In my opinion, politics and sport shall not be mixed.

Our country is like Tibet a small country and I think it is much more important with support after the 2008 olympics.

In that program I noted that Dalai Lama wished China success with the arrangement.

In olympic spirit all fighting stopped during the olympic sports arrangement.

[chandrika]

The Dalai Lamas friendship with Heinrich Harrer, SS Nazi Officer and Death Squad Leader, has always made me a little dubious. Other friends of the Dalai Lama apparently include, Augustine Pinochet, Shoko Asahara and Miguel Serrano and Dr. Bruno Beger. That is no secret, there are many photos of him associating with these people who have given him alot of money.

He was also quoted after 9/11 as saying that Bin Ladens message was being misunderstood.

I have also read of some pretty bad stuff that went on when the unelected lama class ruled Tibet.

All this makes me wonder whether maybe there is more to the Dalai Lama than meets the eye, that might be in stark contrast to his image of being a "man of peace".

I am sure he is aware that it would not do his image any good were he to say anything negative about the Chinese or the Olympics at this point. How he really feels, well who knows?

[kgun]

He was also quoted after 9/11 as saying that Bin Ladens message was being misunderstood.

I can not understand how Bush could stand side by side with him and honor him in that program if that is correct.

The rest of what you write is also new to me. Did you see the pictures on Cnn of the riot? Did they lie?

So this

His Holiness the Dalai Lama's Nobel Prize acceptance speech (http://www.tibet.com/DL/nobelaccept.html)

was an error?

Here

The Website of The Office of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama (http://www.dalailama.com/)

is another site that I found when looking for that program.

Here

NRK - Programoversikt (http://www.nrk.no/kanal/programoversikt/?p_otr_prog_id=KOID21000108&p_otr_sendedato=20080614&p_otr_anntid=21.10&p_otr_kanal=NRK2&p_knapp=Omtale&p_artikkel_id=0)

is the link to the NrK 2 program.

Another link:

Film on His Holiness the Dalai Lama screened at the UK Parliament | Meyul: in Exile (http://www.meyul.com/news/film-on-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-screened-at-the-uk-parliament/)

[chandrika]

I saw the riots and the violence on both sides.

I just have doubts about him, after the comment he made about Bin Laden was last year in an interview with Cadena TV in Barcelona...he said that said that we should talk to Osama Bin Laden because we may have misinterpreted the message he sent to the world on September 11, 2001 at the World Trade Center. (ref below so you know I am not making it up)

Translated version of http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/mundo/ult94u327516.shtml (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/mundo/ult94u327516.shtml&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=7&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DCadena%2BTV%2Bdalai%2Blama%2Bbin%2Bla den%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG)

His Nazi connections are well documented, Heinrich Harrer was a committed nazi right to the end and advisor to Dalai Lama. I find that very odd why he has such people as advisors and donators to his cause.

I dont know what it is all about, it all makes me wonder that is all, makes me wonder about the way he is presented to us, whether it is real, or just spin.

I know that Buddhism teaches control of speech and mind, maybe he is a very clever man, and knows just what to say and how to gaze unwinkingly ;)

[cw1865]

His Nazi connections are well documented, Heinrich Harrer was a committed nazi right to the end and advisor to Dalai Lama. I find that very odd why he has such people as advisors and donators to his cause.

Harrer was undoubtedly a Nazi...committed? He seems more committed to climbing mountains and 'adventure'

According to his wiki entry he was a member of the Austrian Nazi party as a sergeant, joined the SS after the Anschluss with Austria and basically went to India to climb mountains when the war broke out and he was detained as an enemy alien.

Nothing about this guy screams 'die hard' Nazi - Seven Years in Tibet - By Jared Hohlt - Slate Magazine (http://www.slate.com/id/3456/)

[chandrika]

Well there is some controversy surrounding the film Seven Years in Tibet, Brad Pitt, who plays the part of Harrer, said that he would most likely have refused the part had he known of the protagonist's Nazi background."


Heinrich Harrers' book on Tibet is really a fictionalized account of his adventures.

"It came as a bombshell five months ago when the German magazine Stern reported that, as early as 1933, Harrer had been a Nazi, a member of the ruthless SA [storm troopers] and, later, the SS [elite protective guard]," according to a report in the October 1997 issue of the magazine Men’s Journal.

Harrer had always denied he had been a Nazi. When he could no longer deny it, it was said that he had been a Nazi but he had only joined in order to further his career as a mountain climber. This claim did not hold up, since his 1933 entry would not have helped his career in Austria, where he lived. The Nazi Party was illegal in Austria and had to operate underground.

The Men’s Journal story is written by someone who had seen Harrer as a hero and reluctantly came to the conclusion, after extensive research, that Harrer was a "150-percent Nazi" and had to have been involved in some of the most brutal crimes in Austria in the 1930s. Harrer had first been recruited by Heinrich Himmler, the second most powerful person in the Third Reich.


Its a pretty controversal topic I guess. But there seem to be many who say that Hollywoods romantisised version of events in Tibet, are far from the truth.

[kgun]

The Dalai Lamas friendship with Heinrich Harrer, SS Nazi Officer and Death Squad Leader, has always made me a little dubious. Other friends of the Dalai Lama apparently include, Augustine Pinochet, Shoko Asahara and Miguel Serrano and Dr. Bruno Beger. That is no secret, there are many photos of him associating with these people who have given him alot of money.

That shows how little I know. I have only heard of Augustine Pinochet. I have a friend (former colleague) from Chile that lives in Norway. This is very sensitive, like EU membership here. He told that families were split (better word than divided?). He supported Pinochet and his borther was against him. Friends of his brother had been tortured, but they could have a party at town together in Norway without being enemies.

He tells me that we do not know enough. And I definitely do not know enough about China and Tibet (Dalai Lama).

When I worked in the Central Bank of Norway, I learned somthing. Communication is very important and shall only be cut in extraordinary circumstances. So may be Dalai Lama has that attitude, as a rule talk to friends and enemies and not talk as an extraordinary exeption.

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That is one of the most important reasons that Obama is my favourite President candidat in USA. As I have understood he as a rule means that communication and diplomacy is more important than bombs. But I also know too little about the remaining candidates. Hopefully the difference is not so big after all.
</off topic>

[activeco]

Communication is very important and shall only be cut in extraordinary circumstances.

Great truth, but only if the parties have good and honest character.
If there is one with bad intentions, no communication can help.

[chandrika]

T
When I worked in the Central Bank of Norway, I learned somthing. Communication is very important and shall only be cut in extraordinary circumstances. [/B].

I would say that is true and that the extradordinary circumstances you speak of might include involvement in mass genocide.

But I also do not know enough..who knows what will be uncovered next week in the wonderful world of the blogosphere! It is certainly a new phenomenon that we are privy to more than the edited press releases that once may have been all we saw.

[kgun]

Great truth, but only if the parties have good and honest character.
If there is one with bad intentions, no communication can help.
I have bad intentions.

My intention is to make on of the best financial portals on the internet.

Then I should also do what I learned in the CB, start working and stop talking, especially about politics.

Look at the attitude of young people here.

I say when I discuss with them:

My question: "Do you want Norway to be a moslim state in 50 years"?

Answer: "So what, haven't we changed religion one time already (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology)?"

kgun

"If there is one with bad intentions, no communication can help"

Mao once said: "War is an extension of politics."

I am not a Maoist, but have noted that Mc Cain also cite him.

[kgun]

I would say that is true and that the extradordinary circumstances you speak of might include involvement in mass genocide.

But I also do not know enough..who knows what will be uncovered next week in the wonderful world of the blogosphere! It is certainly a new phenomenon that we are privy to more than the edited press releases that once may have been all we saw.
Good that we do not know tomorrow. Hopefully it will be better, but according to "Religious determinism" it shall not.

[activeco]

My question: "Do you want Norway to be a moslim state in 50 years"?

Answer: "So what, haven't we changed religion one time already (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology)?"

Don't you agree with basic thinking there?
Besides, Christianity is the only Abrahamic religion in Europe who was setup by decree and maintained by bloody force.

And you're right by bringing religion in. There is no talk with religion too. You either accept it or you run away, well if you can.

[cw1865]

The Dalai Lamas friendship with Heinrich Harrer, SS Nazi Officer and Death Squad Leader, has always made me a little dubious. Other friends of the Dalai Lama apparently include, Augustine Pinochet, Shoko Asahara and Miguel Serrano and Dr. Bruno Beger. That is no secret, there are many photos of him associating with these people who have given him alot of money.

And as a point of contrast, the Finns sided with Nazi Germany and invaded the Soviet Union. Was this because Finland was ardently Nazi or inclined to extremist right wing views? Or because Finland still remembered the Winter War.

When you're occupied by the most populated country in the world, you too would take help from anybody.

[chandrika]

When you're occupied by the most populated country in the world, you too would take help from anybody.

His association with Nazis though started long before the Chinese that he wants to "cleanse" from the area were there.

[cw1865]

His association with Nazis though started long before the Chinese that he wants to "cleanse" from the area were there.

The problem is that Harrer's membership in the Nazi party is not dispositive of the relationship that he had with the Dalai Lama. If he was spoon feeding him 'Mean Kampf' I would agree with you. At the end of the day this guy simply was NOT a belligerent in WWII. Ultimately the problem in Tibet is going to prove intractable for the very reason that the ethnic Chinese who are there were born there.

[Martinscholes]

The allegations against the Dalai lama have been revealed as being fraudulent.

snopes.com: Dalai Lama Letter (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/dalai.asp)

Chinese secret service dirty tricks operation, perhaps?