SEO, where to start?

[MJW]

Hello WebProWorld,


For a few weeks now I've been reading about SEO on websites and forums like this one.
I've taken interest in the profession and wish to learn more via other means.
I've started this thread to ask for tips. Where and how can a newbie start learning SEO?


On a side note:

I searched Amazon with the query 'search engine optimization' which yielded lots of results.
Since I'm a student I can't afford buying many books, so I need to make sure I'm buying quality.
What books, if any, would you recommend a newbie (not a dummy)?


Thanks in advance,

MJW.

[incrediblehelp]

Try here:

http://www.jaankanellis.com/search-engine-marketing-for-newbies/

[willanfei]

That must a long way to go and does mean all the experts in seo can make great thing at the first time , they just try again and again till the effects coming out.

[MJW]

Try here:

http://www.jaankanellis.com/search-engine-marketing-for-newbies/


That looks like a good collection of info, some of which I've seen on the forum, thanks.

Still, where do I begin? I honostly can't take on a client with the little knowledge I have right now,
I need to get working experience in SEO. I supose I could begin with building and ranking my own site.

How did you start out in SEO?

MJW.

[datasolutioninc]

You need to start from reading the guidelines of major search engines i.e. GOOGLE, YAHOO & MSN...
Then try to read out some basics of SEO tips on forums and keep updates yourself. Then you need to do keyword research and select some key-phrases of low competition so that you can test yourself. And try to analyze what you have done step by step if you make mistake at the initial step then try to correct that step on next one...

:)


That looks like a good collection of info, some of which I've seen on the forum, thanks.

Still, where do I begin? I honostly can't take on a client with the little knowledge I have right now,
I need to get working experience in SEO. I supose I could begin with building and ranking my own site.

How did you start out in SEO?

MJW.

[MJW]

You need to start from reading the guidelines of major search engines i.e. GOOGLE, YAHOO & MSN...
Then try to read out some basics of SEO tips on forums and keep updates yourself. Then you need to do keyword research and select some key-phrases of low competition so that you can test yourself. And try to analyze what you have done step by step if you make mistake at the initial step then try to correct that step on next one...

Thank you for the feedback,

Reading the guidelines set by major search engines, good point! Silly that this hadn't occurred to me before.
I'll keep your advise on testing with low competition key-phrases in mind.

MJW

[datasolutioninc]

Thank you for the feedback,

Reading the guidelines set by major search engines, good point! Silly that this hadn't occurred to me before.
I'll keep your advise on testing with low competition key-phrases in mind.

MJW

Welcome MJW...

I told you the guidelines of search engines because most the SEO guyz forget to read the guidelines of search engines and then start spamming....... so before starting any profession you need to know all pros and cons of that profession. :cool:

[incrediblehelp]

That looks like a good collection of info, some of which I've seen on the forum, thanks.

Still, where do I begin? I honostly can't take on a client with the little knowledge I have right now,
I need to get working experience in SEO. I supose I could begin with building and ranking my own site.

How did you start out in SEO?

MJW.

Before you ever take on a client you need to build your own website and have success SEOing it. Pick out a niche and build a website. Get it ranking, this will teach you a lot.

[megastar]

webconfs.com is a great resource.

good luck!
sandy

[erikko]

for me to get started in SEO, it requires a lot of reading and research, then you must know how to observe the trends of SE's and be patient

[australianfranchises]

Being as Newbie, first you need to understand SEO Slung terms, because when you are going through any book, article or tutorials you won't get any thing, may be u will confuse in such terms and will not get proper knowledge.

My suggestion is prepare the list of SEO Slung terms than go....

Go through each and every forums.

With different different user names,

Ask them same questions for you have doubt.

Get the collections of replies. and see which reply you got maximum, and than you can do research on the same,

And implement to your work also...

Best of luck,

[datasolutioninc]

Go through each and every forums.



Its not possible to go through each and every forum, just need to go through the desired topic i.e. seo or related terms only on some popular webmaster forums such as webproworld, digitalpoint, seochat etc.



With different different user names,



Dear you need to read the guidelines of all forums before creating multiple users for posting... :D
Please don't give any advice which is against the terms of condition, it may be of search engines or any forums...
Dear how many multiple user id you have in webproworld??:confused:

[MJW]

webconfs.com is a great resource.


Thanks, that does look like a handy resource, I'll bookmark it.



Originally Posted by incrediblehelp
Before you ever take on a client you need to build your own website and have success SEOing it. Pick out a niche and build a website. Get it ranking, this will teach you a lot.


I'm thinking of helping out a friend who is starting his own plumbing business.
He has no knowledge of websites or SEO and will, if I choose to help him, give me complete freedom.
The site should be optimized for potential clients in his area, Wiltshire UK, which I think will be a good challenge.
Since the website won't be his main source of clients, this might be a good place to start practicing SEO.


Thanks for all the tips, keep 'em coming!

MJW.

[australianfranchises]

Its not possible to go through each and every forum,



Dear you need to read the guidelines of all forums before creating multiple users for posting... :D
Please don't give any advice which is against the terms of condition, it may be of search engines or any forums...
Dear how many multiple user id you have in webproworld??:confused:



1st of all, i just made little mistake over here i need to write each and every good forum, this will not make any confusion.


Second thing, i am in the same business since last 3 years... i know guidelines and i always respect it.

Why i suggest to use diff. name not in the same forum, my intension was to tell in each forum u should use different names,

so when you are going to make same post in dp, and want to post same post over here, no one identify you,

otherwise you may get banned because of cross forum posting.

Hope you understand....

[MJW]

otherwise you may get banned because of cross forum posting.

Hope you understand....

I understand what you're saying, australianfranchises.
Thanks for the tip! ;-)

MJW.

[AVC]

Being technically correct is important as far as how your site is programmed and coded, some of the smartest "SEO's" are actually programmers, so check World Wide Web Consortium (http://www.w3.org/) for proper instruction on all facets of proper development and tools to validate your code.

[MJW]

Being technically correct is important as far as how your site is programmed and coded, some of the smartest "SEO's" are actually programmers, so check World Wide Web Consortium (http://www.w3.org/) for proper instruction on all facets of proper development and tools to validate your code.

I agree with you on the importance of writing clean code. I validated every page I code, including CSS files.

Why do you think some of the smartest "SEO's" are programmers?
There are surely more ways to be a smart SEO without being a good programmer, like being a clever copywriter?
Or even better, a mixture of both. I hear what your saying tho, good programming is key.

MJW.

[AVC]

Well, one reason is that you need coders to set up PHP duplicate content removal and proper URL structures to avoid penalties, so the best SEO's are actually coders.

[Ne0]

Hello WebProWorld,


For a few weeks now I've been reading about SEO on websites and forums like this one.
I've taken interest in the profession and wish to learn more via other means.
I've started this thread to ask for tips. Where and how can a newbie start learning SEO?




Thanks in advance,

MJW.

You could always go and have a listen to our 130+ free podcasts that this SEO 101 forum was started for ;) it's the beginner stuff this year we're dealing with more advanced SEO goodies because you can only rehash basic SEO for so long... if there's a certain question you would like answered... start a new thread and ask it ;)

We come through here and do forum round ups about once a month - if we answer your question on air Brian usually comes through and puts the episode number or air date in the thread!

btw... welcome to the industry ;)

db

[MJW]

You could always go and have a listen to our 130+ free podcasts that this SEO 101 forum was started for ;) it's the beginner stuff this year we're dealing with more advanced SEO goodies because you can only rehash basic SEO for so long... if there's a certain question you would like answered... start a new thread and ask it ;)

We come through here and do forum round ups about once a month - if we answer your question on air Brian usually comes through and puts the episode number or air date in the thread!

btw... welcome to the industry ;)

db

Thank you for your feedback Ne0, I will have a look at the free podcasts this week.
In 6 weeks I have time to start practicing SEO on smaller type websites,
when I hit a snag or have questions I will start a new thread asking for help.

MJW.

[Ne0]

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DB

[Gayan]

Thank you for your feedback Ne0, I will have a look at the free podcasts this week.
In 6 weeks I have time to start practicing SEO on smaller type websites,
when I hit a snag or have questions I will start a new thread asking for help.

MJW.

Yes, practice. When you read tips, go ahead and start implementing (read all guidelines first). Learning starts then. You will find yourself discovering new opportunities and learning new techniques, while implementing the SEO.

Good luck :-)

[jsrsolution]

hi
i have many sites mainly i have sites for portrait painters (http://www.paintyourlife.com). i want to do SEO of my sites. and i want to know if i do SEO of my site is it true that after doing SEO my sites will be come at the top ranking of google. and how much of months i have to SEO for my sites.


Thanks In advance

[susanroof]

That must a long way to go and does mean all the experts in seo can make great thing at the first time , they just try again and again till the effects coming out.

you are absolutely right i agree with you

[cocoon]

I found Search Engine Optimisation An Hour a Day by by Jennifer Grappone and Gradiva Couzin quite useful in kickstarting seo.

[full house]

In doing SEO, you should always start on your target keywords. So that you will know where to focus. BUt mainly, you should have goals . . .