The "nofollow" tag

[PaulMycroft]

Hi guys,

Can you explain the "nofollow" tag and how it can be implemented to help the internal link structure of a Web site and improve the flow of link juice.:confused:

From SEOmoz:
"We nofollowed dozens of links on many of our template pages to help control the flow of link juice through to our more important pages - the content in the Blog, YOUmoz, Marketplace, and Articles."

Apparently, this benefited their Web site: SEOmoz | Sculpting with Nofollow Works Pretty Darn Well (http://tinyurl.com/2st3uf)

Should I apply the "nofollow" tag to my navigation so that less important pages like Terms, Privacy, etc. will redirect their link juice to more important pages?

Thanks.

[Dubbya]

To a search engine, external links are seen as an endorsement of sorts. You'll share page rank and feed the linked site traffic.

In using the "rel=nofollow" attribute, you're telling the search engine that you're happy to provide a link that it's worth spidering but that you want to retain your PR.

[Dubbya]

Update:

according to an article at Search Engine Watch, using the nofollow attribute in your own navigation might be counterproductive, so it's not recommended.



You definitely DO NOT want to use the attribute on links to your own pages. Do that, and you'll deprive your own pages from the chance of influencing how your other pages rank.

Having said this, I've no doubt some people will try playing with the new tag as a means to "hoard" PageRank that's passed on to only a few pages in your site. For example, your home page might link to 25 of your internal pages. Using the new attribute, you could exclude all but five of these pages. Do that, and you might possibly cause Google to give those five pages more credit.

Maybe. Perhaps. And perhaps the search engines may make other changes down the line. Rather than get tricky with this tag, I'd recommend using it as intended for now -- as a means to flag that there are certain links on your web site that you didn't place there.


source: Google, Yahoo, MSN Unite On Support For Nofollow Attribute For Links [SearchEngineWatch] (http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/050118-204728)

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[puamana]

Does this relate in any way to the practice of opening outbound links in a new browser/tab?
I have always figured that outbound links (the ones I place there, hard-coded, not served by a script) are fine, as long as they open in a new window, because clicking on the link doesn't remove them from the source site, unless they close their entire browser.

Just curious ...
Puamana

[jawn_tech]

My apologies in advance for this metaphorical scenario. Think of search engine bots like water. It/they always moves wherever there's a channel, and always in the direction of downhill / downstream. A link is like a channel to a bot. What a nofollow does is dams the channel, so humans can pass but bots don't (in theory).

So whatever channels are left get the most juice.

As for outbound links in a new window -- unless there's a google blog on the subject I haven't seen, it doesn't seem to make any difference if it's a new browser window, except to humans.

Hope my 2 cents helped. :)

[mjtaylor]

Does this relate in any way to the practice of opening outbound links in a new browser/tab?
I have always figured that outbound links (the ones I place there, hard-coded, not served by a script) are fine, as long as they open in a new window, because clicking on the link doesn't remove them from the source site, unless they close their entire browser.

Just curious ...
Puamana

The use of the rel-nofollow is entirely unrelated to whether a link opens in a new window. This href attribute (rel="nofollow") tells Google (and other SEs) to not transfer any PageRank or link juice to the linked site. Opening a link in a new window has no effect on search engines; it merely means that a human visitor will still have a window of the originating site. Hope that clears that up for you.



My apologies in advance for this metaphorical scenario. Think of search engine bots like water. It/they always moves wherever there's a channel, and always in the direction of downhill / downstream. A link is like a channel to a bot. What a nofollow does is dams the channel, so humans can pass but bots don't (in theory).

So whatever channels are left get the most juice.

As for outbound links in a new window -- unless there's a google blog on the subject I haven't seen, it doesn't seem to make any difference if it's a new browser window, except to humans.

Hope my 2 cents helped. :)

Just wanted to be clear about this: bots can and do follow, and even index, pages that have been linked with a rel=nofollow; all that is blocked is the passing of PageRank or other "link juice" or "voting" power of a link. Or so I understand it.

Cheers, MJ

[RawFunk]

Hi all,

It has been my understanding that the nofollow is only recognised by google.

Unless I've received bad information, I was also under the belief the nofollow attribute was being used primarily for advertising links/banners to prevent PR being passed.

With that said there was/is speculation that by using the nofollow attribute google may penalise sites. I believe I read where sites have lost ranking from using the nofollow tag.

Would someone care to respond regarding the (nofollow tag) implementation issues and provide some solid facts on these topics as opposed to mere opinions...


Cheers

Dave

[Trafalgarmarine]

Hang on,
I've got a links page on my site (Links - Trafalgar Marine Services (http://www.trafalgarmarineservices.co.uk/links/)) where all out going links are listed and I try not to link to others in the main portion of the site. I'm currently not using the nofollow attribute. Does this mean pagerank is being drained from this one links page? Or is PR being taken from every page in the site?

I'm not bothered about the links page having a low PR because it's only there for customers but obviously the ranking of other pages is very important.

The page is only a week old and Google hasn't got around to scanning the site/assigning pagerank yet. Have to wait and see what happens.

Slightly confused, Michael

[mjtaylor]

Hi all,

It has been my understanding that the nofollow is only recognised by google.

Unless I've received bad information, I was also under the belief the nofollow attribute was being used primarily for advertising links/banners to prevent PR being passed.

With that said there was/is speculation that by using the nofollow attribute google may penalise sites. I believe I read where sites have lost ranking from using the nofollow tag.

Would someone care to respond regarding the (nofollow tag) implementation issues and provide some solid facts on these topics as opposed to mere opinions...


Cheers

Dave

MSN and Yahoo also support no-follow; the attribute was originally introduced to combat blog spam, and recently Google asked sites to use the tag on any paid links.

If you have read that nofollow use has resulted in lost ranking, please share that source with us. My understanding is quite the opposite; sites which have been discovered to sell links and *not* use no-follow have been penalized.

[RawFunk]

MSN and Yahoo also support no-follow; the attribute was originally introduced to combat blog spam, and recently Google asked sites to use the tag on any paid links.

If you have read that nofollow use has resulted in lost ranking, please share that source with us. My understanding is quite the opposite; sites which have been discovered to sell links and *not* use no-follow have been penalized.

Hi,

As much as I'd like to share the source, I'm unable to as it was posted to a private forum of which I belong (part of the online gambling industry).

However your final sentence draws light towards a possible non disclosure on the part of the poster I used as reference.

It wouldn't surprise me if the site(s) in question were penalised not for the nofollow tag but in retrospect not using the nofollow tag for purchased 1 way links.


Cheers

Dave

[Dubbya]

Hi all,

It has been my understanding that the nofollow is only recognised by google.

Unless I've received bad information, I was also under the belief the nofollow attribute was being used primarily for advertising links/banners to prevent PR being passed.

With that said there was/is speculation that by using the nofollow attribute google may penalise sites. I believe I read where sites have lost ranking from using the nofollow tag.

Would someone care to respond regarding the (nofollow tag) implementation issues and provide some solid facts on these topics as opposed to mere opinions...

Cheers

Dave
The following image should help explain:
http://www.searchenginejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/no-follow-treatment.jpg
The following is an exerpt from an article by Loren Baker, Editor at Search Engine Journal:

Google : The Googlebot does not follow that link.
Yahoo : If we find a link we make it available to our algorithms to find new content, whether it has a ‘no follow’ attribute or not. However, if the ‘no follow’ attribute is present, it means that no attribution is given to the target from the source of the link.
Ask.com : We have never officially supported No Follow, so your questions don’t apply to our crawler/ranking.

source: How Google, Yahoo & Ask.com Treat the No Follow Link Attribute (http://www.searchenginejournal.com/how-google-yahoo-askcom-treat-the-no-follow-link-attribute/4801/)

Initially, the nofollow attribute was designed and intended to be applied to links in blog content in order to restrict the flow of pagerank through comment spam. It's since been used to "hoard" pagerank.

From the Google Webmaster Quality Guidelines page:



Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."
Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

Source: Webmaster Guidelines (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769)

Consider that if Google has gone through the trouble to post a list of recommendations, we'd be wise to follow them.

Hang on,
Does this mean pagerank is being drained from this one links page? Or is PR being taken from every page in the site?

The PR is constrained at page level and each page is ranked independently. Realistically, not having applied the nofollow attribute to outbound links wouldn't have a measurable impact, if any, on the site as a whole. It won't be much of a problem regardless of whether or not you've implemented it on your links page.

Using the nofollow attribute on links you've posted on your own links page is a little like saying "here's a link that I'm not prepared to vouch for". As the Editor of the page, if you're not willing to offer your endorsement on a link, why post it?

Certainly food for thought...

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[Conficio]

Can you explain the "nofollow" tag and how it can be implemented to help the internal link structure of a Web site and improve the flow of link juice.:confused:

Paul,
in a strict sense the "nofollow" tag does not exist.

There are two ways you can guide search engines in your pages using "nofollow".


<HEAD>
....
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW">
...
</HEAD>

This meta-tag instructs any internet robot (aka crawler) to not index this page (don't store any information, don't return it in the search results) AND not to follow any links to other pages.

The NOFOLLOW value here means the search engine should not use the links on this page to discover new pages to crawl. You would use that if you have links and pages that you don't want indexed and are volatile, such as random pages and or highly dynamic pages.

However, the nofollow [here] will not securely hide other pages from the SE, because any other webmaster can use the same links as you do and the search engine crawler discovers them on this path. So make sure that the page you want out of the index have a "NOINDEX" themselves.

Also, it is unclear what influence this NOFOLLOW has on weight the search engine assigns to it in the ranking algorithm. Nothing says that it should not be counted.



<BODY>
....
<A ... REL="NOFOLLOW">...</A>
...
</BODY>

This NOFOLLOW value in the relationship-attribute of an anchor link is a more recent invention by Google. It indicates, that the search engines ranking algorithm should not assign any weight to it when calculating page rank of the page the anchor tag points to.

Google invented this notation, because lots of people left hundreds of thousands of meaningless and context less links in collaborative websites such as Wiki, Blog or Forum sites. All these links where generated by programs and were a nuisance for any webmaster, blogger, wiki admin to remove. By allowing this notation, the webmaster can declare certain types of links to be w/o value to the search engine, so taking away the incentive to generate them mindlessly by program everywhere.

I hope that helps you understand

K<o>
P.S.: To clarify, a "nofollow"-tag would be <nofollow ...> ... </nofollow>, which neither case above is. Strictly speaking "nofollow" is an attribute value used in two different tags/attributes.

[ushuiah]

And this is the interpretation of nofllow attribute by the individual search engines


Google takes "nofollow" literally and does not "follow" the link at all. That is supposedly their official statement, but experiments conducted by SEOs show conflicting results. They show instead that Google does follow the link, but does not index the linked-to page, unless it was in Google's index already for other reasons (such as other, non-nofollow links that point to the page). Links with "nofollow" are included in the backlinks reporting data at Google's Webmaster Central.
Yahoo! "follows it", but excludes it from their ranking calculation.
MSN Search respects "nofollow" as regards not counting the link in their ranking, but it is not proven whether or not MSN follows the link.
Ask.com does not use the attribute for anything.http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/1/31/f_nofollowm_6ea9d7c.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/1/31/f_nofollowm_6ea9d7c.jpg&srv=img28)

source: wikipaedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow)

[Dubbya]

And this is the interpretation of nofllow attribute by the individual search engines

Thanks!

Or, you could just refer to the graphic in my post which says the same thing. :-P

[qh4dotcom]

The nofollow tag prevents PageRank from being passed and Google discounts it for the purpose of counting links.

[erikko]

so it means they arent harmful at all provided that they can still cause traffic?

[brian.mark]

so it means they arent harmful at all provided that they can still cause traffic?

That's absolutely right.

When it comes down to it, no link to your site is a bad link... regardless of nofollows or not.

Brian.

[brian.mark]

SEO 101 episode discussing this thread will air 2/6/08 on WebmasterRadio.fm (http://www.webmasterradio.fm).

Brian

[full house]

it helps to block the out going links from your site!

[kronikmedia]

Is it ethical to use no follow for outgoing links on my websites. I have always though that of someone has requested me to place their link on my website they are doing so with the knowledge that the links will not be a no-follow. In the same way when I expect my link to be placed on someone else's websites I would expect it o be no-follow.Of course if there are hundreds of out going links then it is a different question.

[Webnauts]

I do not use the "nofollow" attribute anymore. I have developed better and more secure techniques instead.

But since the discussion is about the "nofollow" attribute, it is still legitimate to use for OBLs. But not for your web site internal navigation.

Here is a good read about the claims of the famous SEOs: PageRank Sculpting - Ok Or Penalty Material? 10 SEO Experts Respond. » UK Search Engine Marketing (http://www.searchenginemarketing.co.uk/blog/sem/pagerank-sculpting/) :lol:

[google consultant]

Im in the process of testing an orphan page to see if a title tag on a nofollow link will make a page get found for the term in the title tag. There is no links to the orphan page apart from 3 nofollow links. The orphan page does not discuss the keyword in the title tag either so it will be an interesting test. Ill update this when I know more.

[kgun]

There is an update here

http://www.webproworld.com/google-discussion-forum/69831-matt-cutts-announces-nofollow-google-help-center.html#post379310

[google consultant]

thanks kgun ill have a look now. Im really interested in the nofollow side of things, much appreciated.