NEW Game

[briguy]

5751 Just dropped by to say "hey! and hope everyone having a proftitable day!
Like your saying edhan..Be at peace and hiking will be great.
can also I]Be at peace and golfing will be great. [/I] or I]Be at peace and fishing will be great. [/I]

[deepsand]

5752

hewoe

[AudreyCoreTech]

HI deepsand. 5753.

[deepsand]

5754

Hi, Audrey. :D

[briguy]

5755
Hey there deepsand and Audrey...and anyone else dropping by!

[deepsand]

5756

Is 3 people the critical mass for a party?

[weegillis]

5757

Happy first day of Fall!

AE occurred at 2109 MDT, with the super moon occurring at 0317 MDT.

[C0ldf1re]

5758


Happy first day of Fall!

Thank heavens that awful hot Summer is over! (Do Americans say, "Autumn"?)

[deepsand]

5759

"Autumn" is seldom here heard; "Autumnal" & "Vernal," scarcely at all.

[edhan]

5760

We are celebrating Moon Cake Festival ... Time to relax and enjoy carrying lanterns as I saw a group of American doing that on the street!

[deepsand]

5761

What are the origins & significance of that festival. Where and by whom is it observed?

[C0ldf1re]

5762

What's a Moon Cake? We don't even get Moon Pies in this country.

[edhan]

5763


5761

What are the origins & significance of that festival. Where and by whom is it observed?

Read about Moon Cake Festival - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Autumn_Festival

[C0ldf1re]

5764


... Read about Moon Cake Festival - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Autumn_Festival

Which reminds me to ask... I once read that hares were sacred to the Chinese. Is/was that true?

[deepsand]

5765


Read about Moon Cake Festival - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Autumn_Festival
What we here refer to as a Harvest Moon.

[weegillis]

5766


What we here refer to as a Harvest Moon.

And this year, a Super Harvest Moon because it coincided with the Autumnal Equinox.

[deepsand]

5767

Not to be confused with the Hunter's Moon; both can occur in October.

[Clicken]

5768

Mmmmm, moo bars!

[byronc]

5769 - yay i have a sunday to myself - coding cding coding

[byronc]

5770 - yup everyone off in asia side in my bank for the day this last week. was nice and quiet..

[deepsand]

5771

How many side does your bank have? :???:

[Uncle Dog]

5772

Up & Down, Sui, Fiver, Fearin, Dark, Tender, Bright, Side to?

[deepsand]

5773

A marvelously multifaceted mechanism.

[Uncle Dog]

5774

Lately, lengthened linking lever-locks lusciously lubricated.

[deepsand]

5775

Lugubriously?

[Uncle Dog]

5776

Langourously.

[deepsand]

5777

And, no doubt, learnedly.

[Clicken]

5778

Linguistically ludicrous!

http://www.schoolhouseflash.com/forum-pics/pinkhandonhip2.png

[deepsand]

5779

Lustfully loquacious.

[C0ldf1re]

5780

Literation... forget the prefix if it doesn't fit.

[deepsand]

5781

Literary license or libel?

[C0ldf1re]

5782

Laughs loudly lately

[deepsand]

5783

Likely little lacking levity.

[Clicken]

5784

:shock:

[briguy]

5785
Living life lazily

[deepsand]

5786

Lethargically lackadaisical?

[edhan]

5787

Seems like I am feeling a little lethargic today!

[deepsand]

5788

Listless?

[edhan]

5789

Yes, kinda ... until I get my New Zealand vacation ...

[deepsand]

5790

Languorous for lack of liberating leisure.

[Uncle Dog]

5791

Deepsand desist! Dog designates different direction.

[C0ldf1re]

5792

Defiant deviant Dog defies Deepsand!

[weegillis]

5793
don't doubt deepsand doth detest distractions

[Uncle Dog]

5794

DO doubt. Deepsand deliberately devises devilishly devious distractions.

[kgun]

5795.

2 raised to the power of 1 000 defined without powers of 10 (E) in Python that got its name after Monty Python.

[deepsand]

5796

Pythons pirouette poorly.

[weegillis]

5797
Pythons pounce precisely.

[C0ldf1re]

5798

Pythons pout pathetically.

[deepsand]

5799

Pythons prey peripatetically.

[C0ldf1re]

5800

Pythons palpitate periodically.

[deepsand]

5801

Pious pythons pray palpably.

[weegillis]

5802
pretentious pythons partly pray, partly prey

[weegillis]

5803
python pun, purportedly.

[deepsand]

5804

Presbyterian pythons party privately.

[weegillis]

5805
proletarian pythons party publicly

[weegillis]

5806
picky pythons perhaps prefer ponds?

[deepsand]

5807

Pithy pythons prattle perpetually.

[C0ldf1re]

5808

Pretentious pythons peddle pies piously.

[deepsand]

5809

Prepubescent pythons pee prodigiously.

[weegillis]

5810
Present parlay persisting perilously past pergatory

[kgun]

5811


Pythons pirouette poorly.

http://numpy.scipy.org/

http://www.kjellbleivik.com/Books/GameDevelopment.php Scroll down to the Python heading.

Is Python the best starting place for children that want to learn programming.

You can have as long integers as there are place in your computers memory.

[deepsand]

5812

Party pooper. :wink:

Actually, one can have long integers in any language, subject to storage limitations.

From a practical standpoint, the primary obstacle to dealing with large integers is the maximum register size coupled with the available instruction set.

[kgun]

5813


Actually, one can have long integers in any language, subject to storage limitations.

Of course, as long as you can make / simulate your own data type and methods. In addition, Python is a C library, so you can embed Python in your C / C++ project. You can of course browse / search the code and see how it is implemented.

At a birds eye view, Python is a loop in a C Program.:roll:

Now I think of CPython. You have smaller versions of Pyhton like Jython for Java and IronPython for .NET platform.

[deepsand]

5814


Of course, as long as you can make / simulate your own data type and methods.
Which is precisely what any language must do if it is to support data of types/value ranges that exceed the limitations imposed by the CPU's Registers & Instruction Set.

Python is no exception.

[Clicken]

5815

Bwa bwa bwa bwa bwa

[deepsand]

5816

Babbling blindly balancing bespeckled baubles beautifully.

[weegillis]

5817

b being basic becomes baby's beginning babble

[C0ldf1re]

5818


Which reminds me that 'C' came after 'B'. I wish they had stopped there, and not invented any more languages.

[deepsand]

5819

Wistfully wishing.

[weegillis]

5820

Think how basic is dah,

[weegillis]

5821

or D'oh!

[weegillis]

5822

or d'uh?

[deepsand]

5823

Delirious dodos delicately dance delightfully.

[kgun]

5824

Python is no exception.
But is perhaps easier to learn than most languages. You should be up and running minutes after you have downloaded and installed Python. Having learned Python, the next step should IMO be Simula that is now available on the internet.

Then JavaScript, PHP, C, C++ , assembly would be my 2010 priority.


Which reminds me that 'C' came after 'B'. I wish they had stopped there, and not invented any more languages.
So you are not blind:roll:

This is easy (# is the python comment).


# Listing_5-4.py
# Copyright Warren Sande, 2009
# Released under MIT license http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
# Version 61 ----------------------------

# Getting input from a file on the web

import urllib
file = urllib.urlopen('http://helloworldbook.com/data/message.txt')
message = file.read()
print message
More information here: http://www.manning.com/sande/Installation_Instructions.html#links

When you have installed Python, look at you start menu. You may use both Python 2.5 (if you test older code) and and 3.x. Note that the famous cURL library is available for Python like PHP and C++.

Note: Some statements like Print are deprecated in Python 3.x.

[edhan]

5825

What is your favorite entertainment for retirement?

[C0ldf1re]

5826


... Having learned Python, the next step should IMO be Simula that is now available on the internet... Then JavaScript, PHP, C, C++ , assembly would be my 2010 priority...

Errr... you expect a common mortal to learn all that in the 3 remaining months of 2010?

[weegillis]

5827

I thought you had kids in school, @edhan. How can you even think of retirement--they are a full time job in themselves!

[deepsand]

5828


But is perhaps easier to learn than most languages.
How, though, does that relate to the handling of large integers?

[deepsand]

5829


Errr... you expect a common mortal to learn all that in the 3 remaining months of 2010?
And, who would be the "common" mortal here spoken of?

[kgun]

5830

Errr... you expect a common mortal to learn all that in the 3 remaining months of 2010?
Yes, and BETA (ftp://ftp.daimi.au.dk/pub/beta/betabook/betabook.pdf) in 2010 and then Generalized BETA, GBETA (http://www.daimi.au.dk/%7Eeernst/gbeta/)

Aren't you a young English man?

I am an old Norwegian that uses a Stationary computer with two screens and one laptop simultaneously. They are most often too slow for me:roll::lol::twisted::mrgreen:

You can run the Windows installer of Python, NumPY etc. here:

http://www.manning.com/sande/Installation_Instructions.html#windows

Everything you need to start.

[kgun]

5831

How, though, does that relate to the handling of large integers?
For one reason. It is easier there since it is an inbuild type. Example.

All you type in the IDLE ide that follows with Python is

2**1000

and the computer gives you the full answer assuming you have enough memory on your computer.

[C0ldf1re]

5832


... You can run the Windows installer of Python, NumPY etc. here: http://www.manning.com/sande/Installation_Instructions.html#windows... Everything you need to start.

But... where does one find the time to do all that?


And, who would be the "common" mortal here spoken of?

Those of us who learn at a snail's pace, compared to you super-brains!

[kgun]

5833

But... where does one find the time to do all that?
Download and install the code for the book. It takes you about 10 minutes. Then try the code examples. Excercise from 10 - 30 minutes three days a week and you should at least master Python by the end of 2010:confused:.

Ask here if you have problems. Most probably it will be configuration problems so remember to check the automatic update "path folder" during installation. Remember where you install the different tools / extensions. It is best to choose the defaults.

Do it while I remember and are able to help you. I assume that you are on a Windows computer. I can not help you if you are on a Mac or a Linux (Unix) computer.

NASA uses Python. It is a very easy but still powerful program.

More secret:roll: (who reads this thread?) information here: http://www.kjellbleivik.com/Books/GameDevelopment.php#python

[deepsand]

5834


For one reason. It is easier there since it is an inbuild type. Example.

All you type in the IDLE ide that follows with Python is

2**1000

and the computer gives you the full answer assuming you have enough memory on your computer.
And, that is unique to Python?

[Clicken]

5835

"Who reads this thread?"

Just us, untill you start posting secrets!

[deepsand]

5836

Secrets? :shock:

What did I miss?

[Uncle Dog]

5837

The usual.

[deepsand]

5838

Scotch? :(

[C0ldf1re]

5839


Scotch?

Yes, please. A double, if I may.

[deepsand]

5840

Will a triple do?

[C0ldf1re]

5841

You are very good, shurrr. That will do nishhhly.

[deepsand]

5842

Ring up UD; he's holding the good stuff.

[Uncle Dog]

5843

Nivva touch the shtuff. Hic!

[briguy]

#5844
Hey guys...here is my theory on "The Great Unconformity" http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/treiman/greatdesert/workshop/greatunconf/index.html

The Grand Canyon and other places were mined by Aliens for "250 to 1200 million years" !

What do you think?

[C0ldf1re]

5845


Nivva touch the shtuff. Hic!

Stuff nevair touchez the shidez!

[deepsand]

5846


Hey guys...here is my theory on "The Great Unconformity" http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/treiman/greatdesert/workshop/greatunconf/index.html

The Grand Canyon and other places were mined by Aliens for "250 to 1200 million years" !

What do you think?
What did they take? And, did we get fair market value for it?

[briguy]

5847
5846


What did they take? And, did we get fair market value for it? Not sure exactly what they took, as for fair market value..well kinda hard to factor in rarity and age..and what do we use as "currency"? Maybe the barter system..we can exchange a few politicians for something of theirs. Something that just as useless to them as us? And something that also won't be missed?

Just brainstorming here..open to suggestions.

[deepsand]

5848


... as for fair market value..well kinda hard to factor in rarity and age..and what do we use as "currency"?
I would have preferred knowledge and the wisdom to best us it.

[briguy]

5859
5848


I would have preferred knowledge and the wisdom to best us it.
What you accept in exchange..?

Just a update on my theory about the Great Unconformity ( http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/treiman/greatdesert/workshop/greatunconf/index.html )
..that they scrapped the Grand Canyon (etc) for building materials to build Atlantis..

[deepsand]

5850

What did they do with Atlantis?

[edhan]

5851

Taking a nice break from office ...

[deepsand]

5852

At the office, taking a nice break from work.

[C0ldf1re]

5853


What did they do with Atlantis?

Sank it. With a superior civilisation living there. So I've heard.

[deepsand]

5854

To arise once more after we've annihilated ourselves?

[MoviesBlaster]

11
Next please,,,,,,,

[Uncle Dog]

5856

I think that was "The Man From [obvious anagrams]"

[deepsand]

5857

Or, the Woman.

[edhan]

5858

Woman? Love them all...

[C0ldf1re]

5859


Woman? Love them all...

Especially Lily Allen.

[deepsand]

5860

All?

[C0ldf1re]

5861


All?

Not to be taken literally! Ed and I were just being polite to the fair sex.

[deepsand]

5862

No doubt the consideration will be reciprocated.

[weegillis]

5863

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone who is celebrating it today (Canada, et al?)

[weegillis]

5864

Wikipedia: Thanksgiving Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving)

Guess it is just Canada, after all.

[deepsand]

5865

For many, both here and in Latin America, Spain and Italy, it's Columbus Day.

[briguy]

5866


5863

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone who is celebrating it today (Canada, et al?)
Thanks had a great meal..especially the turkey! Kinda bless here, cause I live on a border town, can celebrate both (USA and Canada's) Thanksgiving..alway excellent deals on both side of the border for deals on turkey!

[deepsand]

5867

Why wait for a holiday to have turkey?

[weegillis]

5868

Cuts down on left overs if you have enough people to put a dent in a big bird. Can only eat so much turkey in one week.

[deepsand]

5869

Turkey noodle soup and turkey salad sandwiches well serve to handle any leftover.

[weegillis]

5870

You do know how many sandwiches and how much soup one can make with a 25 pound turkey, eh? No need to answer. It's way more than I could stand to eat all week. We know this from years of experience.

[deepsand]

5871

No problem; I've a chest freezer that I use for storing large batches of prepared foods for later use.

Turkey, chicken, beef, pork - makes no difference to me.

[weegillis]

5872

My missus would dearly love to have enough freezer space. We already use 'external' freezing thanks to having family next door. Else that is the determining factor in how long past the four day limit excess can be stored.

[deepsand]

5873

With my former wife and I both working, and with two teenage (step)children, getting a chest freezer more than paid for itself in short order. Without it we'd have needed to either spend a lot eating out, or a lot of time and gas making constant trips to the supermarket.

With it, we were able to buy in larger quantities, frequently at better prices, and prepare and store a lot of meals in advance in quantity, so as to pull them out the night before, put them in the 'frig to thaw, and have them ready to be re-heated when we got home.

Now, living alone, and with my erratic "schedule," doing that is the only way that I can get a home-cooked meal.

[Cigtina23]

5874

I will buy a new Refrigerator for my mom and for sure she will cook a lot
since she can put a lot of foods there. :P

[edhan]

5875

Talk about refrigerator. Love the latest with more gadgets plus Green for the environment.

[weegillis]

5876

It's getting cold enough here to leave things outside overnight. Works good for roasts, soup, stew and chill.

[C0ldf1re]

5877


It's getting cold enough here to leave things outside overnight. Works good for roasts, soup, stew and chill.

Won't the polar bears eat it all?

[weegillis]

5878

That should have said 'chili'.

[weegillis]

5879 = prime(774)

Can the dam builders keep up energy supply as refrigeration demand increases due to global warming?

[deepsand]

5880


I will buy a new Refrigerator for my mom and for sure she will cook a lot
since she can put a lot of foods there. :P
Pick up a new one for me too while you're at it. :D

[deepsand]

5881


It's getting cold enough here to leave things outside overnight. Works good for roasts, soup, stew and chill.
I remember as a kid my father and I storing freshly caught fish in a big snow bank in the perpetual shade of the house and wood shed. When we wanted fresh fish, we'd pull some out, throw them in a tub of cold water, where they would eventually begin swimming about.


Can the dam builders keep up energy supply as refrigeration demand increases due to global warming?
With water tables falling world wide, there's not much left to dam that hasn't already been so; and, existing hydro-electric plants output is falling.

[mwz81]

5882! Almost there! lol

[deepsand]

5883


Almost there! lol

Where have you been? We've already been there and back! :shock:

[deepsand]

5884

Israeli Rabbi: Honeytrap Sex Is Kosher (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israeli-rabbi-blesses-honeytrap-sex-female-spies/story?id=11834845&page=1).

Makes me consider giving up agnosticism. :mrgreen:

[alphaomega]

5884

Israeli Rabbi: Honeytrap Sex Is Kosher (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israeli-rabbi-blesses-honeytrap-sex-female-spies/story?id=11834845&page=1).

Makes me consider giving up agnosticism. :mrgreen:
There, it was never good practice to muck around.

[edhan]

5886

Imagine my dog eating up the entire chicken without leaving any trace of it existence. No bone can be found anywhere ...

[deepsand]

5887

Not eating the bones would have been atypical canine behavior.

[Clicken]

5888

One of my dogs eats rocks, well she chews on them... and anything else she can find. She must think she is a goat. I saw her eat a cigarette butt the other day. Mmmm, I think she wanted more.

[briguy]

5889
5888

One of my dogs eats rocks, well she chews on them... and anything else she can find. She must think she is a goat. I saw her eat a cigarette butt the other day. Mmmm, I think she wanted more.
Nicotine addiction?

[Clicken]

5890

LOL, as far as I know that was her first one!

[deepsand]

5891

Tell her she's welcome to all of my Pall Mall butts.

[Clicken]

5892

Gee thanks Deep, butt i think not, that might lead her to drinking and then she could turn into a smarta$$! We already have one of those in the family.
:mrgreen:

[deepsand]

5893


Gee thanks Deep, butt i think not, that might lead her to drinking and then she could turn into a smarta$$! We already have one of those in the family.
:mrgreen:
Ya got a point there, as then she'd probably expect to be allowed to have at my Scotch as well.

[Clicken]

Well, she is a red head, so she might be partial to scotch!

[deepsand]

5895

Hm-mm; given my being partial to red-heads, may have to reconsider. :wink:

[Clicken]

5896

Okay, how about I get the scotch, on her behalf.

[deepsand]

5897

So long as you agree to handle it in a responsible manner. :mrgreen:

[Clicken]

5898

Oh, of course, no problem… agreed!

I thought you were going to require a trick first! but I guess handling scotch in a responsible manner is a bit tricky, no?

[deepsand]

5899

Just letting it slip from my grasp is bit tricky. ;)

[Clicken]

5900

:confused:

I didn't realize there was a trick to dropping it.

[C0ldf1re]

5901


... I guess handling scotch in a responsible manner is a bit tricky, no?

Yes. I'm still practising the responsible bit.

[deepsand]

5901


I didn't realize there was a trick to dropping it.
Drop it? :shock:

Sacrilege.

[edhan]

5902

We are overwhelmed by the heat spell for the last 2 days !!! Must be the Ozone effect.

[deepsand]

5903

Ozone?

[weegillis]

5904

Crab farts.

That's what's eatin' up the ozone above the arctic.

[deepsand]

5905

And, over Singapore, turtles?

[weegillis]

5907

Bat farts. Definitely bat farts. And turtles, too...

[weegillis]

5908

Okay, bad taste.

Here's a bit of news that's bound to make the rounds this week:

WIRED: “He Gave Us Order Out of Chaos” — R.I.P. Benoît Mandelbrot, 1924-2010 (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/10/he-gave-us-order-out-of-chaos-r-i-p-benoit-mandelbrot-1924-2010/)

[weegillis]

5909

And just for our viewing pleasure, here is the search result for "Mandelbrot" on,

YouTube search: Mandelbrot (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mandelbrot)

The Slow Deep Zoom one is excellent. As little as ten years [ago] there were few computers that could have done the calculations for this video in under a month.

[kgun]

5910

Funny video and funny counting, but it seems correct. From the video:



I don't know this shit.


But fractals can be beautiful. What about these with fractal music:roll: Those embedded on the site may be of better quality than those powered by YouTube.

http://www.fractal-recursions.com/files/anim/anim.html

And it can be discussed who found the first fractal.

[briguy]

5911
Thanks kgun for http://www.fractal-recursions.com/files/anim/anim.html

... I seem to have lost 20 and am behind schedule! Figuring these videos might be popular with the "herbal smokers"..

[Clicken]

and the 'acid trippers'....

5912

Fractals are mesmerizing!

There was one in the line up which is really cool. Sound waves making patterns with the powdered stuff. (salt, baking soda or cornstarch?) The higher the frequency, the more patterns it makes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfs4Rd5f_IQ&NR=1

Thanks for the links, it was a nice break.

[deepsand]

5913

Just a quick pop-by to say "Hello."

[kgun]

5914



Fractals are mesmerizing!

And they can be produced with very simple mathematical functions. There should be a lot of C / C++ etc. files on the internet.

I use C++Builder 2010. It is done by a few command lines to produce the ASM code of a C file. The following DOS bat file is a simple example:

Example.bat



echo %path%
cd\cpbb2010\c
echo The following line compiles Corp3.c and produce an XML file Corp3.xml
bcc32 -B -Zx Corp3.c
echo this is funny!
echo Do not find tlink32.x in RAD studio 7.0 directoies.
echo does not function as command line instructon.
echo but the command line function in this bat file.
echo So the following command line compiles Corp3.c and produce Corp3.asm.
bcc32 -S Corp3.c
echo This comman will give an overview of available bcc32 commands
bcc32 -h

[weegillis]

5915

Is it a function or a complex relation?

[kgun]

5916


Is it a function or a complex relation?
What is it here?

If you think of the fractal producing algorithms, it can be everything from a complex valued function, to itereated function systems and n-dimensional (difference / differential) equation systems where n=2 or 3.

If you sign up for / have Opera Unite, you can get access to the directory where I have some code.

I have a lot of C / C++ code.

I wrote a 295 pages master thesis in Mathematical Finance about this.

Pm me of your Opera Unite site if you are interested. You find mine on www.kjellbleivik.com (http://www.kjellbleivik.com) along the left edge under online profiles.

[deepsand]

5917

Fractal - an object whose Hausdorff-Besicovitch dimension is greater than its topological dimension.

Father of Fractal Geometry Passes at Age 85 (http://www.pcworld.com/article/208073/father_of_fractal_geometry_passes_at_age_85.html?t k=nl_dnx_h_crawl).

[weegillis]

5918

Just as Einstein had his Planck; Mandelbrot had his Julia. The train of thought scaled from its predecessors, in perfect fractal form, perfectly similar, seeming determined, yet not an exact copy, seeming by chance.

What Einstein is to the atomic age, Mandelbrot is to the computer age. Einstein saw a handful of molecules destroy two cities, and insisted it should not be done again, and Mandelbrot saw computers as big as cities compressed into a fingernail, and insisted it could be done again.

[edhan]

5919

Sounds like I am going back to school.

[deepsand]

5920


Just as Einstein had his Planck; Mandelbrot had his Julia. The train of thought scaled from its predecessors, in perfect fractal form, perfectly similar, seeming determined, yet not an exact copy, seeming by chance.
The study of the mathematics of fractals extends at least as far back as Gottfried Leibniz.

[deepsand]

5920


Sounds like I am going back to school.
Not to worry; there are no blue books here.

[weegillis]

5922

The study of the mathematics of fractals extends at least as far back as Gottfried Leibniz. ... who also had his prodiges.

[weegillis]

5923

Like you, I appreciate that Mandelbrot is not the 'father' of fractal geometry, more the great-great-great-great-..-grandson who took everything from before and scaled it by today's means to today's dimensions. He did, though, coin the phrase, 'fractal.' We have to at least give him that.

[kgun]

5924.

There is a great difference between who created the first fractal and who first used the term "fractals" that seemed to be coined by Mandelbrot.

Some examples:
Monster Curves: Cantor, von Koch, Peano .. Strange Arractors - Edward Lorentz Population curves and Bifurcation Diagrams - Robert May and his friend James Yorke Julia Sets - Mandelbrot Finance - Ralph Nelson Elliott in his book "Nature's law: The secret of the universe"

[deepsand]

5925

IMO, his greatest contribution was the realization of the ability to measure the lengths of rough surfaces based on their Hausdorff dimensions.

[alphaomega]

That's helpful

[weegillis]

5927

Length in dilated time as in the locus of an electron, or of an elementary particle in an accelerator millionths of a second after the collision.

The Mandelbrot set lets us visualize not just length, or distance, but speed as well, indicated by change of color in any one region. Where it gets complex is in identical respect to other relativistic problems posed in quantum physics: If a region in space is moving at some maximum speed, how is it that regions within it are traveling faster?

And further to that, how is that some regions are not moving at all?

[kgun]

5928


IMO, his greatest contribution was the realization of the ability to measure the lengths of rough surfaces based on their Hausdorff dimensions.
May be. There are a lot of different fractal measures. The Hausdorff–Besicovitch dimension is one.

[kgun]

5929


The Mandelbrot set lets us visualize not just length, or distance, but speed as well, indicated by change of color in any one region. Where it gets complex is in identical respect to other relativistic problems posed in quantum physics: If a region in space is moving at some maximum speed, how is it that regions within it are traveling faster?

And further to that, how is that some regions are not moving at all?
There are convergence in that region.

Related threads:

Will you ever hit the wall? (http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/66245-Will-you-ever-hit-the-wall?p=362410&viewfull=1#post362410)

How large is infinite? (http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/66468-How-large-is-infinite?p=363705&viewfull=1#post363705)

Note that Mandelbrot wrote many articles related to financial markets and time series. Personally I think his contribution was greatest there.

[kgun]

5930

Mandelbrot studied the following simple complex valued difference equation:

y(n+1) = (y(n))**2 + c

where both y and c are complex numbers.

To simplify. Let c=0 and y(0) a real number.

If y(0)=1, the value of y remains at 1 no matter how many times the equation is iterated. If y(0) is less than 1 y will approach zero. If y(0) is greater than 1 y will increase over all boundaries, an other term for diverge to infinity.

Now let c and y be complex with solutions in the complex plane. If the equation converges after n iterations (about 512 steps in some applications), that area in the complex plane is coloured black. The rest of the colours in the Mandelbrot set indicates the speed at which the equation is (diverging) approaching infinity.

[briguy]

5931

Can't contribute to the fractual discussion but can share a joke .."An infinite crowd of mathematicians enters a bar.
The first one orders a pint, the second one a half pint, the third one a quarter pint...
"I understand", says the bartender - and pours two pints. "

[deepsand]

5932

What would the bar keep have poured had the 1st asked for 1 pint, the 2nd a 1/4th pint, the 3rd 1/16th, etc.?

[Tubby]

5933
Bar Keeps are not silly.
A pint for the first person, and a pint for the rest of them

The second fellow could increase his drink to half a pint - and still have plenty left.

Did they want "Chips" with that?

He might just Add "anyone without a glass in their hand . . Wait Outside !

I hate infinite crowds of mathematicians. .

[Tubby]

5934

Of Course If it were My pub - I would stand at the door with a 12 gauge shotgun and a sign that says
"The Publican will gut shoot any mathematician that does not go to the end of the queue"

and another sign that says "Free beer for the last person in the queue"

That should keep them busy!

----------------------------
Afterthought -

sign says "please take a number and go to end of the queue"
My bar computer will generate the next number (for a few days anyway)

[briguy]

5935
5932

What would the bar keep have poured had the 1st asked for 1 pint, the 2nd a 1/4th pint, the 3rd 1/16th, etc.?lol ...you not seriously asking me..when it comes to copying and pasting..I have a 3 digit IQ and in advanced Math (high double digit)


5933
Bar Keeps are not silly.
A pint for the first person, and a pint for the rest of them

The second fellow could increase his drink to half a pint - and still have plenty left.

Did they want "Chips" with that?

He might just Add "anyone without a glass in their hand . . Wait Outside !

I hate infinite crowds of mathematicians. .

Thanks for answering!

[deepsand]

5936


5935lol ...you not seriously asking me..when it comes to copying and pasting..I have a 3 digit IQ and in advanced Math (high double digit)
No advanced math here needed.

Given that 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + 1/64 + 1/128 + 1/256 + 1/512 + 1/1024 + 1/2048 + 1/4096 + 1/8192 + ... = 1 ,
all that's required for the answer to my query is a small bit of thinking.


I hate infinite crowds of mathematicians. .
But, you'd never lack for business! :grin:

[kgun]

5937
But don't forget that the only thing that can not lie is calculus :roll: (note I did not write mathematics 8-) in order not to complicate matters too much) Q.E.D.:twisted:

[Tubby]

5938

5937
But don't forget that the only thing that can not lie is calculus :roll: (note I did not write mathematics 8-) in order not to complicate matters too much) Q.E.D.:twisted:

Of course it lies Kgun. It lies the moment you represent any number as a real object.

[C0ldf1re]

5939


[re:mathematics]
Of course it lies Kgun. It lies the moment you represent any number as a real object.

Misrepresentation is not lying... not quite.

[Tubby]

5940

I am not a complicated person - If statistically the average women has less than a whole baby. . . I am simple enough to make a metal note that I have never seen half a child. or even 52% of one.

Yes!. . I will grant that the statistics have a useful purpose -

But I can assure you that Heinz does not make the small can of baked beans for all the 'part' people. They did not make these cans this size because it knows every woman in the UK has 48% of a child hidden away somewhere.

I think Kgun and Deepsand know me well enough to expect a response from me from any post that says "the only thing that can not lie is calculus"

[deepsand]

5941


Of course it lies Kgun. It lies the moment you represent any number as a real object.
So, it would then be untruthful were we to say that there is but 1 of you? :shock:

I'm not sure that we're ready for more than 1. :wink:

[C0ldf1re]

5942


... I'm not sure that we're ready for more than 1...

Indeed, is the world yet ready for the oven-ready hedgehog?

[deepsand]

5943


Indeed, is the world yet ready for the oven-ready hedgehog?
Perhaps; perhaps not. But, I for one, am game.

[Tubby]

5944

5941


So, it would then be untruthful were we to say that there is but 1 of you? :shock:

I'm not sure that we're ready for more than 1. :wink:

There is only one of anything - so I can live with that. . But the 'description' makes the total redundant . . ( mathematicians can have have hundreds of me - but I all, might have blue faces. . . From lack of breathing)

I am at this moment totally unable to get my head around 'Oven ready hedgehogs' - I shall wait until web17 becomes available and I can connect to a Website and get 'Taste the product' . .

I can imagine a tiny little chemical synthesiser as part of my computer if I live long enough.
HMMMM 'Finger licking Good' Someone should use that! it's catchy . .

[deepsand]

5945

Stand between to perfectly parallel mirrors.

How many reflected image of you are there?

[Tubby]

5946

You can shoot a mirrored image. You can poke a stick at your reflection in the river if you sit on the bank looking down at the rippling water on one of those days when the world seems perfect. Sometimes you can see a relected second sun lighting the shadows on the far bank under the trees where the big fish browse.

But when you poke the stick at your image . . If you feel it touch? . . Maybe then, you can pick up your abacus and have passionate sex with it. Because reality would have sailed away on the clouds that were a part of the day that seemed so perfect.

[deepsand]

5947

But, how many reflections?

[Tubby]

5948
I do not have two perfectly parallel mirrors. I could take a guess? . . But my internal data base seems to have neglected this area of research. resorting to a search of the net is not my normal practice as I usually stay firmly within the parameters of the 'way I understand things to be' in this thread.

I would at minimum expect to see 'one' reflection. It would not surprise me if I saw a single reflection half each side of the join or a reflection in both mirrors. . I think it might amuse me if I appeared in only one mirror.

I will wait untill you tell me the answer Deepsand . . Unless of course you are slow to respond and I wake up at two O'Clock in the morning with one of them ' AHAH!' moments. . (when the penny drops).

[byronc]

5949
do you think there si any value to the links we get from this thread?

[byronc]

an abacus and sex, thats, uh a little kinky there

5950

[byronc]

5951

im feelign discrimated against - weegills took out color in my sigs......TUbby

[deepsand]

5952


an abacus and sex, thats, uh a little kinky there
Not to an abacus.

[deepsand]

5953


im feelign discrimated against - weegills took out color in my sigs......TUbby
You're not alone.

The bolding in mine was removed, greatly altering its readability. :(

[byronc]

5954

but you still have blue... hmmm

[Tubby]

5955

5951

im feelign discrimated against - weegills took out color in my sigs......TUbby

Weegillis will do that - So will Mjtaylor . They believe the thread posting should be, look, more important than the signature. They Have Admins full support to do that.

[Tubby]

5956I Just had my afternoon camp and woke up with the recollection that during the late 70's I had a contract to fit 12 inch mirror tiles on walls in a new housing estates. . There were gold, tinted, regular, and bevelled edge mirrors. They were cheap houses and the builder decided to fit mirror tiles as a feature on the lounge wall (made the place seem bigger)

But now I forgot the question was about parallel mirrors - These tiles were glued to the wall in a similar manner to ceramic tiles. (I had a young Virile reflection) I expect I still have a similar reflection. **dream**

[Tubby]

I thought Abacus because it has Balls (moving parts)

I have seen these used by market traders. . super fast .

[Tubby]

:idea: Parallel? Aha

As in facing each other to reflect what is reflected on the other mirror?

I am getting a bit fluffy of the brain lately. . I am wondering if the back of my head might obscure the reflected image of the back of my head on to the mirror reflecting my face . .

[deepsand]

5959

Stand with your shoulders perpendicular to the mirrors, and rotate your head toward one or the other mirror.

Or, stand facing one mirror at an angle slightly off the perpendicular.

[Tubby]

5960

I do not have a mirror where I Live Deepsand. I do have a shiny small chrome shaving mirror hanging outside the back toilet in the garden next to a sink. . . I shall have to resort to my imagination. .

Just as well. If I had a mirror I would probably waste time flicking my head at it (Fonzie style) Or looking at it intensely and asking "Are you talking to me?" . . .

[astro]

5961
Then again you could try Mirror mirror on the wall.........

Hi Guys, still going? impressed! :) A smile for your mirror Tubby.

.............I've just found out I can still have sex at 72!.................I am so happy because I live at 68, so it's not far to walk home . . .

Oh by the way Tubby how far would it be for you to walk to out front Queensland? You know where the peeps are at and you don't have nasty spiders under dunny seats :)

/astro

[astro]

5962
Just to help the numbers along a little brain teaser for you.

1. How do you put a giraffe into a refrigerator?

Stop and think about it and decide on your answer before you scroll down.










The correct answer is: Open the refrigerator, put in the giraffe, and close the door. This question tests whether you tend to do simple things in an overly complicated way.






2. How do you put an elephant into a refrigerator?










Did you say, Open the refrigerator, put in the elephant, and close the refrigerator? Wrong Answer.

Correct Answer: Open the refrigerator, take out the giraffe, put in the elephant and close the door. This tests your ability to think through the repercussions of your previous actions.






3. The Lion King is hosting an animal conference.
All the animals attend .... Except one.
Which animal does not attend?









Correct Answer: The Elephant. The elephant is in the refrigerator. You just put him in there. This tests your memory. Okay, even if you did not answer the first three questions correctly, you still have one more chance to show your true abilities.


4. There is a river you must cross but it is used by crocodiles, and you do not have a boat. How do you manage it?











Correct Answer: You jump into the river and swim across. Have you not been listening? All the crocodiles are attending the Animal Meeting. This tests whether you learn quickly from your mistakes.


According to Anderson Consulting Worldwide, around 90% of the Professionals they tested got all questions wrong, but many preschoolers got several correct answers. Anderson Consulting says this conclusively proves the theory that most professionals do not have the brains of a four-year-old.

/astro

[astro]

5963 to add to the count.

Once I came upon this pretty new temp standing in front of the paper shredder with a confused look on her face. I asked if she needed any help and she said, "Yeah, how does this thing work ?" I took the papers from her hand and demonstrated how to work the shredder. She stood there a moment with yet another confused expression, so I said, "Any questions ?" She said, "Yeah, exactly where do the copies come out from ?"

People always say that hard work never killed anybody. Oh yeah ??? When's the last time ya ever heard of anyone who "rested to death".

/astro

[byronc]

5955


Weegillis will do that - So will Mjtaylor . They believe the thread posting should be, look, more important than the signature. They Have Admins full support to do that.


but you have red and blue in your sig? :)

oops forgot to count 5964

[Tubby]

but you have red and blue in your sig? :)


5965
No I do not! . . . ** Strong Denial **

This thread has touched on the topic of reflection, mirrors and the non 'real' aspects of a reflected image. What you perceive to be red - is no more than reflected light . .

Wet your finger and rub my signature. . Its O.K. I will not feel a thing!

[Tubby]

5966
5961
Oh by the way Tubby how far would it be for you to walk to out front Queensland? You know where the peeps are at and you don't have nasty spiders under dunny seats :)

/astro

It is a bit further than '72' . . . House numbers out here are in neither 'metric' or 'imperial' they are in "direction"
(Out Front queensland is that direction *pointed finger* )

[weegillis]

5967

Tell you what, guys... Go ahead and make your signature look like anything you want. It's not my forum. If you want to clutter up threads and game the robots, have at it. I'm obviously not making any friends, here.

[alphaomega]

5968
One has to be quick here

5934

Of Course If it were My pub - I would stand at the door with a 12 gauge shotgun and a sign that says
"The Publican will gut shoot any mathematician that does not go to the end of the queue"

and another sign that says "Free beer for the last person in the queue"


That should keep them busy!

----------------------------
Afterthought -

sign says "please take a number and go to end of the queue"
My bar computer will generate the next number (for a few days anyway)
Bit like the sign on Eumundi pub: "Free beer tomorrow."

[deepsand]

5969


5977

Tell you what, guys... Go ahead and make your signature look like anything you want. It's not my forum. If you want to clutter up threads and game the robots, have at it. I'm obviously not making any friends, here.
Well, so long as you learn to increment the count by precisely 1, I doubt that you'll lose any either. :grin:

BTW, Tubby was only kidding when he started that rumor about the 'bots preferring purple. ;-)

[Tubby]

5970
5977

Tell you what, guys... Go ahead and make your signature look like anything you want. It's not my forum. If you want to clutter up threads and game the robots, have at it. I'm obviously not making any friends, here.

I Love you mate . . Unfortunately a person needs to be on our side of the forum to see the hundreds of deleted posts - and the chain reaction than can result from one large or bold signature.

If they did it . . ' So can I ' . can be very hard attitude to combat

Your green ranking reminds every member how popular you are Weegillis.

you are well up there with the most well loved members ( broad shoulders too)

byronc loves his ammended signature . . Don't you byronc?

[C0ldf1re]

5971


...
BTW, Tubby was only kidding when he started that rumor about the 'bots preferring purple. ;-)

Bots prefer blondes, same as human fellows. BTW, where is my favourite blonde these days?

[Tubby]

Yes I remember that . . It was a post referencing the lemming / sheep like nature of some SEO'S

I think I wrote "Google finds it easier to read purple text"

Then Webnauts changed his signature to purple. I thought that was extremely funny because webnauts has a large personal following of of many 'Lemmings / sheep ' in his own right ... ( Webnauts has a distinct sense of humour that he keeps mostly hidden from view)

[deepsand]

5973


Bots prefer blondes, same as human fellows. BTW, where is my favourite blonde these days?
The red and raven haired lasses get my eye.

[C0ldf1re]

5974


Yes I remember that...

And another Moderator doesn't remember to head his post with an incremented number! Don't these Moderators believe in rules? Or do they think rules are only for lesser beings?

[Tubby]

5975



5974

And another Moderator doesn't remember to head his post with an incremented number! Don't these Moderators believe in rules? Or do they think rules are only for lesser beings?

Moderators have smaller brains - **shame on you** Do you snicker at blind people when they fall off pavements too?

[deepsand]

5976


And another Moderator doesn't remember to head his post with an incremented number! Don't these Moderators believe in rules? Or do they think rules are only for lesser beings?
Or, perhaps, for greater ones.

[C0ldf1re]

5977


...
Moderators have smaller brains - **shame on you** Do you snicker at blind people when they fall off pavements too?

I'm sorry. I thought at the time that my post was funny. I now realise that I was being tactless, rude, and horrid. Please forgive me.

(There is probably only one sensitive Australian in the history of the continent. And I managed to find him and offend him. Just my luck!)

[deepsand]

5978


I'm sorry. I thought at the time that my post was funny. I now realise that I was being tactless, rude, and horrid. Please forgive me.
Even in the absence of an emoticon, the wink was obvious to me.

[arenee]

i gave this task to my 3 year old nephew. he can only count to 75. when he got to 76 he screamed million. we'll keep working on it. :)

[deepsand]

5980

How long do you expect he'll need to catch up with the rest of us?

[deepsand]

5981

Hm-mm; lights are on, but no seems to be home. :?:

[Uncle Dog]

5982

I'm round the back.

[deepsand]

5983

Ah-ha; it's dark back there.

[Uncle Dog]

5984

Just give me a hand with this wheelbarrow would you?

[deepsand]

5985

Followed by a nip of the good stuff?

[Uncle Dog]

5986

Only if you hold on with both hands.

[deepsand]

5987

To what?

[Doc]

5988

I find it encouraging (and more than a little disturbing) to find that this thread is still moving along. Our dear Mr. Castle would be proud, indeed. (or possibly laughing his butt off at how easy it is to keep simpletons like us amused).

I've been long absent, and have missed much. I suppose I'll have to drop by more often... at least to lurk... and see what his Tubbiness is up to.

I keep a very short, highly exclusive list of individuals with whom I would very much like to enjoy a drink while the sun sets on the horizon. Tubby presently heads that list, as he has for some time.

I'm not sure why I think sharing a bottle with him would be so enjoyable or enlightening... I just do. Maybe because he gives a passable impression of being mad as a March hare. Or maybe because he doesn't really give a rip what anyone thinks. Perhaps both.

But for the meantime, he'll stay on the list. And in case (and this appears to be a REALLY big "in case") a certain individual makes good on his promise to deliver a bottle of Bruichladdich from Islay into my humble hands, I may just have to spring for a ticket to Gold Coast Airport and hire a car.

Just in case my will power isn't what it should be, Tubby, you might want to have a bottle of "whatever" on hand. It's a bloody long drive to your place, and I make no promises I'm not sure I can keep.

Carry on, lads!

[Tubby]

5988
I may just have to spring for a ticket to Gold Coast Airport and hire a car.


Better to fly to Mt Isa and hire a 4 wheel drive . . It is not what many would describe as 'comfortable' here.

locals are possibly all mad . Recently a large Gum tree fell on a neighbors house - he merely said "GOOD! I wanted some wood for the barbecue" - funny! It is when you understand he was being totally serious.

The last US visitors here - hired a helicoptor to get out of the place and left the hire car in the street. We do have a one local block owned By an american - he is only in town about two days a year. . But he has Kajabbi listed as his official residence.

some local photos http://sumpy.com/mount-cuthbert/

[C0ldf1re]

5990


... I keep a very short, highly exclusive list of individuals with whom I would very much like to enjoy a drink while the sun sets on the horizon. Tubby presently heads that list, as he has for some time...

We can get many single-malts in the UK that are never exported. You are both on my meet-up list. I can't say it is very short, or highly exclusive. You might be mixing with plumbers, floor-layers, pilots, lawyers, and even journalists. But single-malts can make unlikely friends.

[Tubby]

I do not have a 'wish to meet' list . . If I manage to make freinds with someone I have never met . . . Why Screw up the friendship by presenting the real me! . .

[C0ldf1re]

5992


... Why Screw up the friendship by presenting the real me! . .

After all the single-malts I feed you... you won't be ashamed of yourself!

[Tubby]

5993
5992

After all the single-malts I feed you... you won't be ashamed of yourself!

I gave up drinking ? - Please check my Avatar - I am not the Tall broad with the double D cup . .

I might nod my head with some sort of mild acceptance if you dropped a nip of scotch in my cup of tea.

I shall go to to wikipedia to look up "ashamed" . . I know I heard that word before? . . I thought it meant "guilt ridden bastard with a small dick"

- I am not guilt ridden? ? . .

[Uncle Dog]

5994

- I've got a guilt dick? ? . .

Tubby, you're supposed to count... and next time, please only leave just one ripe inuendo ready to PNP by the next idiot. Double Broad Scotch anyone?

[deepsand]

5995

Yes, please.

[Tubby]

5996

Sorry. . I can not have a Double Broad Scotch . . . until my innuendo ripens.

nag, nag, nag. . .

[Tubby]

5997

Jug, toaster, crock pot, electric fry pan, microwave . . Where the heck did I leave the inuendo ripener?

[deepsand]

5998

Did you look in the ice cube tray?

[Tubby]

5999

Frozen innuendo ripener? - Only a person with half a brain would put it there!

**************** Yes! - found it, thanks deep ****************

I totally forget what I needed it for . . . ? I think I was goint to throw it as someone, Doc is probably the tallest . .

**Old Chinese proverb; "Throwing things at big target more success than small target"**

[deepsand]

6000


Frozen innuendo ripener? - Only a person with half a brain would put it there!

**************** Yes! - found it, thanks deep ****************


Figured that might be the case, as that's where I keep mine.

Two half-wits are better than one.