NEW Game

[kgun]

5251

You can start here

http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/91963-Webmasters-forget-browsers-and-SE-s.-Make-your-own-ethical-WebBots.?p=476490&viewfull=1#post476490

[C0ldf1re]

5252


You can start here. http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/91963-Webmasters-forget-browsers-and-SE-s.-Make-your-own-ethical-WebBots.?p=476490&viewfull=1#post476490

I've got a feeling that it would be quite a long project. A bit more than a weekend hobby! But I see from the SurfToolBar.com site that you've done it all before.

[chandrika]

5253

5250
How does one program a VikingBot? (And please nobody say in Simula!)

Probably in C Sharp (as the vikingbot swords)

(@badjokes)

[C0ldf1re]

5254


Probably in C Sharp (as the vikingbot swords)...

Or in sea-plus-plus, as kgun is so proud of their longships!

[edhan]

5255

Now comes the rain. Such a wonderful sight!

[C0ldf1re]

5256


Now comes the rain. Such a wonderful sight!

And the sound, the soothing sound of rain against the windows while one is snug inside.

[edhan]

5257

Just had a beautiful sleep with cool air blowing after heavy rain. It feels great!

[deepsand]

5258

While rains have broken the latest heat wave here, the overabundance of such has left the air oppressively humid for three days running now.

[weegillis]

5259

We went from winter in May to monsoons and thunderstorms in June to more storms this month and no semblance of wet or dry that we can comprehend. Some places you can't walk, yet others are bone dry. We're under constant clouds and lakes are higher than ever yet our water table is at record lows. The farms are still dry by soil standards. Go figure.

[deepsand]

5260

Three days of monsoons; and then, today marks the beginning of yet another 5 day heat wave here.

Such volatility is just what should be expected of any system whose level of thermal energy is increased; i.e., it is global warming.

[weegillis]

5261

No s***, eh?

[deepsand]

5262

Sure do wish that the naysayers had been right.

[weegillis]

5263

Mothercorp is always right, they say.

[chandrika]

5264
When there was that ash cloud over UK and all aeroplanes were grounded, we had several days of really clear skies. It was reported that it is because aeroplane trails effect clouds (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/interviews/interview/1304/), making for more cloud cover, so while the planes were grounded, it was really noticable how clear the skies were here. It would seem that more clouds would mean it would make it cooler, being shaded from the sun, but apparenty that contributes to the warming.

[TrafficProducer]

5265 Yes I beleive because of less pollution from aeroplanes’ the Ash clouds in a way made the Air we breathe cleaner.

Therefore the Ash clouds where cleaner than aeroplane pollution... I think this says a lot....

[TrafficProducer]

5266


BP Oil leak fixed.

At least, for now, hope it will become permanently, (but I think this is a Temporary fix), the BP Oil leak has bee fixed

Here is a live feed from an ROV by BP (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html)

Gulf of Mexico response from BP (http://www.bp.com/bodycopyarticle.do?categoryId=1&contentId=7052055)

Deep Water Horizon Response (http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/) New site> RestoreTheGulf.gov (http://www.restorethegulf.gov/) has How to File a Claim with BP (http://www.restorethegulf.gov/claims.shtm)

[deepsand]

5267

WD-40 issues 1950s style collector's can (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/16/AR2010071605805.html?wpisrc=nl_headline)


Its return, this month, in the nostalgic colors of the 1950s, reminds us of that most basic definition of our species: man, the mediocre mechanic.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/07/16/PH2010071605806.jpg

[C0ldf1re]

5268


... It would seem that more clouds would mean it would make it cooler, being shaded from the sun, but apparenty that contributes to the warming.

Yes. Water vapour is apparently a green-house gas.

[chandrika]

5269
Hair is naturally blonde when soaked for some time in H202, so I can safely say I am naturally blonde.

[TrafficProducer]

5270


It would seem that more clouds would mean it would make it cooler

Mmmm... Things are quite the opposite to common sence in science... Until they are explained.

Science Opposite. A 'tongue in cheek' look. (http://www.ascienceportal.com/science_opposites/index.html)

[C0ldf1re]

5271



Hair is naturally blonde when soaked for some time in H202, so I can safely say I am naturally blonde.

Well, how about that! First time I've ever met a "peroxide blonde".

[chandrika]

5272

looking at the box i am a "peroxide cetearyl alcohol trideceth 2 carboxamide mea ceteareth 30 clycerin pentasodium penetate sodium stannate tetrasodium pyrophosphate blonde" :?

[C0ldf1re]

5273




looking at the box i am a "peroxide cetearyl alcohol trideceth 2 carboxamide mea ceteareth 30 clycerin pentasodium penetate sodium stannate tetrasodium pyrophosphate blonde" :?

A bit like the belladonna plant. Beautiful, but inedible!

[chandrika]

5274
Better than being compared to a consumable I guess.

[C0ldf1re]

5275


Better than being compared to a consumable I guess.

If only I could meet a girl as nice as cheese on toast, with baked beans on top, and smothered in HP sauce!

[chandrika]

5276

You dont need a girl, just a trip to Tesco and a sandwich toaster. Sandwich toasters come with instruction manuals as well....bonus!!!!

[C0ldf1re]

5276

You dont need a girl, just a trip to Tesco and a sandwich toaster. Sandwich toasters come with instruction manuals as well....bonus!!!!

I need a girl!...... to do the washing up afterwards! :twisted:

[deepsand]

5278


[B]I need a girl to do the washing up afterwards!
Disposable dinnerware.

[TrafficProducer]

5279
I need a girl!......

How about a Robot?

[edhan]

5280

Girl? I prefer woman.

[C0ldf1re]

5281



I need a girl!......

How about a Robot?

A robot could not satisfy my other needs. I feel an emotional need to shower Miss Right with diamonds and rubies and emeralds. Giving a robot an oil-change would not be the same.

[TrafficProducer]

5281 Check out this Girl on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ak3coBKBC0): Actroid DER2 fembot - Introduction. Robot... Hope you can turn off the voice.... LOL

and Actroid 3 - Sexy Robots Videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSR4Dx37n8A&feature=related): Do these ever shut up.

These are sexist and used to try to:-

sell to males

make robots look less scary... I woud run a mile

[JudyKelly]

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 1

[edhan]

5284

Life is changing ... brighter side when seeing the light.

[kgun]

5285



Or in sea-plus-plus, as kgun is so proud of their longships!
If you can C you are not blind. Both C# and C++ are in a sense extensions of C and both invented by a Dane. If I should program a fast advanced web mining bot, I would most probalby make the engine in C++ and cURL (invented by a Swede) and if necesary combine it with PHP (invented by a person from Greenland). You could also use Ruby On Rails invented by a Dane.

I don't know how many of them have a background in Simula that is still used at our universities. I don't know of a more pedagogical way to learn true OOP than Simula that is almost selfdocumentary. The much more compact BETA language is a son of Simula. But since it took 20 years for foreigners to understand simula, it may take 20 years to adopt the true power of BETA (where everyting is a pattern) and that should be around 2015.

[C0ldf1re]

5286



If you can C you are not blind. Both C# and C++ are in a sense extensions of C and both invented by a Dane. If I should program a fast advanced web mining bot, I would most probalby make the engine in C++ and cURL (invented by a Swede) and if necesary combine it with PHP (invented by a person from Greenland). You could also use Ruby On Rails invented by a Dane.

I don't know how many of them have a background in Simula that is still used at our universities. I don't know of a more pedagogical way to learn true OOP than Simula that is almost selfdocumentary. The much more compact BETA language is a son of Simula. But since it took 20 years for foreigners to understand simula, it may take 20 years to adopt the true power of BETA (where everyting is a pattern) and that should be around 2015.

On the matter of national pride.

I have just finished reading The Mutiny on Board HMS Bounty by William Bligh. It is one of the greatest adventure stories ever written. Everybody in the English-speaking world knows about the mutiny on HMS Bounty. After the crew mutinied on board HMS Bounty, Captain Bligh and his loyal crew were set adrift. Forget the films showing Captain Bligh as a cruel tyrant (and wasn't there just another story to tell about the reasons behind that propaganda!) Bligh took his loyal crew in a small launch across 3600 miles of uncharted sea on a voyage that lasted 41 days. They nearly died of starvation, of attacks by savages, and of being drowned by tempestuous seas. Bligh later became the Governor of New South Wales, ending the corruption there and helping the settlers. He was later commended for bravery at the Battle of Copenhagen by Admiral Lord Viscount Horatio Nelson. This was the battle in which an English fleet overcame a much larger Danish fleet. Bligh died a Rear-Admiral, and counted many famous men among his friends

I am now going to ask my personal friend, Mr President Obama (and I am more serious than you might think about that connection) to nuke all those Scandinavian countires that do not speak/program a proper language.

We can then get back to programming in proper languages, like BASIC and COBOL. If not exactly invented by the English, they were at least invented by our colonials.

[mjtaylor]

5287

Interesting. All of it.

[TrafficProducer]

5288


get back to programming in proper languages, like BASIC and COBOL.

And what's wrong with programming by gears and turning crank handles. See how this got the count wrong :)

As thought about by "Charles Babbage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage)"

51 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/BabbageDifferenceEngine.jpg/220px-BabbageDifferenceEngine.jpg)

[deepsand]

5289

But, can it solve partial differential equations?

Or, even handle character strings?

[edhan]

5290

Loves those days using BASICA ...

[deepsand]

5291

CBASIC was once quite popular for business applications running on CP/M, MP/M, TurboDOS, TRS-DOS, LSI-DOS, MS-DOS, etal..

Many application developers provided source code so that ISOs, SIs, etal. could easily customize an app. for the client.

[TrafficProducer]

5292

it solve partial differential equations? A big YES, but Babbage ran out of cash.

Strings... can Intel? The answer is No, it's the Programmimg.

May be it you turn the crank backward you would get a RSOD red screen of death LOL

Sponsored by ADA Lovelace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace)= ADA pogramming language

52
ADA Lovelace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace)

Wikie:=
Her notes were labeled alphabetically from A to G. In note G, Ada describes an algorithm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithm) for the analytical engine to compute Bernoulli numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli_number). It is generally considered the first algorithm ever specifically tailored for implementation on a computer, and for this reason she is considered by many to be the first computer programmer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programmer).

The computer language Ada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_(programming_language)), created on behalf of the United States Department of Defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Defense), was named after Lovelace. The reference manual for the language was approved on 10 December 1980, and the Department of Defense Military Standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Standard) for the language, "MIL-STD-1815", was given the number of the year of her birth. Since 1998, the British Computer Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Computer_Society) has awarded a medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovelace_Medal) in her name[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace#cite_note-28) and in 2008 initiated an annual competition for women students of computer science.[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace#cite_note-29)

[kgun]

5293


I am now going to ask my personal friend, Mr President Obama (and I am more serious than you might think about that connection) to nuke all those Scandinavian countires that do not speak/program a proper language.

What does nuke mean in this respect?




We can then get back to programming in proper languages, like BASIC and COBOL. If not exactly invented by the English, they were at least invented by our colonials.
That may imply that you don't like (use / understand) OOP.


What would the web have been without the DOM?
Go to the physical British Museum (http://www.britishmuseum.org/) or the British Imperial War Museum (http://www.iwm.org.uk/) in London and ask for a multimedia presentation of the museum. When clicking your way through the museum by clicking objects, you will better understand what object oriented programming is.
And many of these languages were running on Amdahl (a Norwegian) or Honeywell Bull (also a Norwegian) computers.:roll:

[kgun]

5294

But, can it solve partial differential equations?
What do you mean by it?

Solving numerical differential equations is a programming task that can be done in all the programming languages I know indenpendent of whether they are procedural or object oriented.

Ceteris paribus, fastest in C and even faster in assembly or C++ with inline assembly code.

[C0ldf1re]

5295


... What does nuke mean in this respect?...

To internuke a country is to bring it to its knees by destroying its ability to use the internet. (Like in nuclear bombing, but without the loud bangs.) When the Pentagon talks today about "nuking" a country, that is what they mean. The USA military first invested money into the internet to make sure its computer networks would stay functionally connected in the event of disruption by war. When the internet became essential to world business, the USA military invested more money to ensure they could disrupt any other country's internet in time of war. It is no coincidence that the key elements of the internet are physically located where US Marshalls have jurisdiction!

[chandrika]

>10 for n% = 1 to 1000000
>20 rem chat about weather or whatever
>30 next
5297http://www.efcchurch.org.uk/images/blinking_cursor_ani.gif

[deepsand]

5298


What do you mean by it?

Solving numerical differential equations is a programming task that can be done in all the programming languages I know indenpendent of whether they are procedural or object oriented.
The Babbage Machine could not be so programmed.

[weegillis]

5298

So we're all kept up to date, we have only 994,702 posts to go to meet the OP objective. Go team, go!

[byronc]

5291

QBASIC was once quite popular for business applications running on CP/M, MP/M, TurboDOS, TRS-DOS, LSI-DOS, MS-DOS, etal..

Many application developers provided source code so that ISOs, SIs, etal. could easily customize an app. for the client.
5299

i programmed in quick basic, true basc , visual basic - i am ashamed to say

[byronc]

5300
but then i moved to turbo pascal, object pascal and then delphi

[byronc]

5301
then I moved to c# and then java and then c++ abnd then back to java - how sad is that

[byronc]

5302
and in my spare time i work on en apps in joomla and php wootabix

[deepsand]

5303


i programmed in quick basic, true basc , visual basic - i am ashamed to say
Why ashamed?

I started with octal machine code for PENNSTAC, followed by FORTRAN II-D & GOTRAN on IBM 1620, followed by Assembly languages for IBM 14XX, 70XX and 360 series, and then ALGOL and LISP, followed by COBOL and APL, long before before I touched CBASIC. And, yet, for the early micros, CBASIC performed admirably well.

Every tool has its strengths and weaknesses. And, there is no shame in using the best at hand for the particular task of the moment.

[edhan]

5304

If I can, I would like to go back to Apple with the peek and poke.

[weegillis]

5305

@byronc: Because we're in a hurry, doesn't mean we should speed up, eh?



ON A GOTO ONE,TWO,THREE,FOUR,FIVE,SIX,SEVEN,EIGHT,NINE,TEN

Remember when that meant something?

[deepsand]

5306


If I can, I would like to go back to Apple with the peek and poke.
Enjoyed doing that on both the Apple II and the Radio Shack TRS80 Mod I and 4.

For the Mod I, I wrote a short routine in BASIC to use "peek" to printout a complete dump of the ROM, in both Hex and ASCII, formatted like a traditional core dump, which I then disassembled by hand.

[deepsand]

5307


Because we're in a hurry, doesn't mean we should speed up, eh?
Are we holding you back?


Rather than add another post, please let me continue. More numbers will follow, I'm sure before this post gets put back up.
Dave provided for such problem by instructing that a subsequent poster to sequentially state all integers between the last correct one and that of the current post in preparation.


ON A GOTO ONE,TWO,THREE,FOUR,FIVE,SIX,SEVEN,EIGHT,NINE,TEN
Remember when that meant something?
What happened to ELEVEN through ONEMILLION?

[weegillis]

5308

1) rather see multiple quotes than multiple posts

2) S___, you caught that!

3) What? You never heard of brevity?

[deepsand]

5309


rather see multiple quotes than multiple posts
It's my recollection that Dave here encouraged multiple posts.

I leave determining the verisimilitude of my memory as an exercise for the reader.

[edhan]

5310


5306


Enjoyed doing that on both the Apple II and the Radio Shack TRS80 Mod I and 4.

For the Mod I, I wrote a short routine in BASIC to use "peek" to printout a complete dump of the ROM, in both Hex and ASCII, formatted like a traditional core dump, which I then disassembled by hand.

Yes, I missed those good 'old' days!

[kgun]

5311


To internuke a country is to bring it to its knees by destroying its ability to use the internet. (Like in nuclear bombing, but without the loud bangs.)
I assume that you will block Scandinavian vikings from the internet. Are you sure that that will not be an advantage to us and we would get rid of a lot of spam, scam and plagiarism of our tools? (Even the jet engine was invetned by a Norwegian as far as I know):roll:

Since you are not a native Scandinavian language person, you most probalby don't know the Viking slogan: Turn a disadvantage into an advantgage. In addition to being able to make our own computers (see below) and networks and inventing the languages described below, we have one of the best operating systems, Linux and mobile solutions invented by Nokia, Ericsson and Opera. And since Fortran is mentioned:

"But after a while, most programmers realize that this means that a program is equipped with a safety net: many errors that programmers make when they construct programs are caught by this net before they lead to unpleasant effects. An example: A very expensive American space rocket crashed on its way to Venus a few years ago, because of an extremely trivial error in a FORTRAN program. A comma had be written as a point, and, as a consequence of that, the start of a special kind of repeat imperative was mistakenly read as an assignment imperative assigning a value to an undeclared variable. Had it been required to declare every variable in FORTRAN programs, the compiler would have discovered that the variable was undeclared and the error would have been caught much earlier than in the Atlantic Ocean."
Professor Bjørn Kirkerud (1989): "Object Oriented Programming With Simula". Addison Wesley Publishing Company ISBN 0 201 17574 6. Page 31-32.

It can at least be expensive to block the Scandinavian countries from the internet.:roll:

[kgun]

5312

then I moved to c# and then java and then c++ abnd then back to java - how sad is that
In some situations, good enough is best.

[kgun]

5313


The USA military first invested money into the internet to make sure its computer networks would stay functionally connected in the event of disruption by war. When the internet became essential to world business, the USA military invested more money to ensure they could disrupt any other country's internet in time of war. It is no coincidence that the key elements of the internet are physically located where US Marshalls have jurisdiction!
Oh my God you frightened me. They and their allied where you and we are members have big problems with ...

Most of my technologies and technological knowledge are not available on the internet and I programmed for the CIA. Start here: http://www.intex.com/main/

And I am an OOP amateur.

[kgun]

5314
One recent example:

"Losing the Chinese license would have been a significant setback for Google, even though China will only account for a fraction of the company's projected $28 billion in revenue this year. China already has nearly 400 million Web surfers, making it the world's biggest Internet market, and usage is expected to rise for years to come. For Beijing, the renewal partly defuses a high-profile dispute that has added to the perception of China as becoming less welcoming to foreign businesses".

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioPgFfry30khmWIMEIkRGbDkbARQD9GRH1HG0

Danes have a good slogan for that. "Up like a sun and down like pancake":

http://www.bobthebrit.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pancake.jpg

:shock:

[Tubby]

5315

The British have a slogan - I was born and my parents originated in England. I might need correcting but I think it is.
"Stuff it,. . It will look better in the morning"

[kgun]

5316

What about being born on one of the millions of Pacific island where you could live of nature without internet access?



I've gotten sick of people saying that "everything is relative." If someone says this to you, ask them "Is pain relative?" and then slap them. Pain is pretty freakin real (http://everything2.com/title/pretty+freakin+real). This is not a refutation of relativity, it is a refutation of what I call impoverished relativity -- the idea that all ideas, and all possible ways of looking at the world are equally true and valid
Source: http://everything2.com/title/Everything+is+relative%252C+but+some+things+are+mo re+relative+than+others

[TrafficProducer]

5317

WIKIPEDIA: Analytical engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_Engine)
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TP I say Don't take I say too seriously.

If they change the gears they maybe could have the first Apple :)

[chandrika]

5318

5315

The British have a slogan - I was born and my parents originated in England. I might need correcting but I think it is.
"Stuff it,. . It will look better in the morning"

Everything always looks better after a good nights sleep.

[chandrika]

5319
Research suggests that you learn while you sleep, as whatever information you take in during the day, while you sleep gets processed and put in some kind of order and that the brain actually solves problems while you sleep. So when you wake up things often seem much clearer.

[C0ldf1re]

5320


Everything always looks better after a good nights sleep.

Sleep in until the afternoon. Things look better still!

[Tubby]

5321

The exception is of course the morning you wake up sober after retiring to bed the previous evening perfectly drunk.
The reality of a fresh new morning can be quite spoilt by a sober perspective.

A person can find themselves pondering the question ' Why are my feet painted different colours? '

[C0ldf1re]

5322


... A person can find themselves pondering the question ' Why are my feet painted different colours? '

Better than, "Why did I choose a hotel with a hard bed and bare walls? And why do the hotel staff all wear blue uniforms?"

[edhan]

5323

As of 10.50 am, my internet seems to be crawling as I watch the upload and download take an hour for 24Mb of file. Normally, it takes just less than a minute.

[deepsand]

5324

http://www.funnyflash.com/img/funnies/submissions/148/fart.jpg

[edhan]

5325

That's nice ...

[weegillis]

5326

@deepsand:

LINK: curtoons.com: Cartoon Copyrights are Serious Business. (http://www.curtoons.com/cartoon-copyrights.htm)

By this, I believe the author refers to the above, also. Which means that the upload to the current source location is also possibly in contention. Please help us to resolve this or the post (#5324) will need to be edited.

[kgun]

5327

Please help us to resolve this or the post (#5324) will need to be edited.
Most probably that will introduce an error:roll:

[jhannawin]

5328

And I thought this would be a serious forum :-)

[kgun]

5329

And I thought this would be a serious forum :-)
A community without humour is like a regatta without wind.

Those who take seriousness only serious and humour only humouristic have understood both concepts equally bad.

[chandrika]

5330
And we are back to talking about the weather again, its usually the wind, burping, parping, windy weather, one way or another we always get back round to "blowing in the wind" **

**(referring to another thread where I think it may have been Tubby who was saying that was his favourite song)

[chandrika]

5331
You can tell a person who has to visit wikipedia alot to understand anything if they use a double asterix ** as a cite

[deepsand]

5332


5326

@deepsand:

LINK: curtoons.com: Cartoon Copyrights are Serious Business. (http://www.curtoons.com/cartoon-copyrights.htm)

By this, I believe the author refers to the above, also. Which means that the upload to the current source location is also possibly in contention. Please help us to resolve this or the post (#5324) will need to be edited.
Falls within the scope of Fair Use.

Besides, per mike, he'll deal with it when and if there's a complaint from the copyright holder. :mrgreen:

[weegillis]

5333

Then I guess we're (mods) off the hook. No need for us to even be able to recognize copyright infringement. Why anyone would expect us to act in the best interests of copyright holders is beyond me. It's not our problem, right?

[deepsand]

5334

So say TPTB. 8)

Scotch, anyone?

[TrafficProducer]

5333

I think if people are not trying to make cash or clamed total credit for someone else’s works and skill, things are generally OK.

In most cases when the author is recognised then this is great as more people find out about them and this increasing chances of them getting a better income for their work.

Recognised work could be come an issue. In that how to do this e.g.: the time, the place the person if more than one, then all the people, (the weather because this could have an impact on works), and so on. For example if someone says the word Television do they have to start saying about Edison, Teslar, Watt, Ohm, John Logie Baird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logie_Baird), (wikipedia.org), Pye, and all Who is the inventor of television? (http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae408.cfm)

And then in these cases who owns the rights surly it's not wikipedia.org

In the case of cartoons then shurly the teachers of the cartoonists need to be Recognised and then thier teachers... and so on. more pages than Google can store.
And then what and who inspied them.

This is another "Tongue-in-cheek" is look at issues like this, by me....

My page has some issues Web Master Law. Legal issues for Web Masters (http://www.acomputerportal.com/webmaster_law.html)

( If the lawyers can make cash they will)


This may be of interest:-

The Right to Link Video on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg7n0_0XDD8&feature=player_embedded) The Right to Link Campaign (http://www.right2link.org/) The Right to Link Campaign (http://www.right2link.org/). Your right to create, circulate and follow links is threatened. Watch the video to find out more and visit our site to take action to protect your rights.
The Right to Link: the right to create, forward and follow links.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg7n0_0XDD8&feature=player_embedded YouTube video but not made by YouTube and thanks to Alan Turing (http://www.turing.org.uk/turing/)

"Why do we need a campaign to protect the right to link? Well moves are afoot in the marketplace that could lose us internet freedoms that we have taken for granted till now. Most of us aren't even aware it's happening.
These threats to our freedoms are coming from 'old' media, especially the print newspapers, at the expense of the 'new' media — search engines, bloggers, social networks — and any business that uses online information. These changes could even threaten our ability to function as a democracy by restricting access to information.


All should be free to create, use and circulate links — they are the signposts to content on the web.
Think about this. If someone owns the signpost to information, the next step may well be to use the law, including criminal sanctions, to police their online land grab — if necessary by lobbying Government.
This is an unprecedented extension of ownership, by stealth, over a part of the information superhighway."



5332


Falls within the scope of Fair Use.

Besides, per mike, he'll deal with it when and if there's a complaint from the copyright holder. :mrgreen:

[JudyKelly]

5334 :) Gonna be here a while!

[TrafficProducer]

5337 is this count

Ripping DVDs for Online Video Now Legal under DMCA Exemptions (http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/102856-Ripping-DVDs-for-Online-Video-Now-Legal-under-DMCA-Exemptions) Ref: 5333 above. Some common sence at last.

[deepsand]

5338


Ripping DVDs for Online Video Now Legal under DMCA Exemptions
This merely explicitly clarifies that Fair Use here applies.

It does not sanction wholesale copying under any circumstances.

[byronc]

5339
would anyone minf if i wrote a program that just botted thes numbers? :)

[byronc]

5340
i got a 10

[byronc]

5341, well this is really keeping the forum active

[byronc]

so wher does everyone live ?

im in oz

5342

[weegillis]

3 * 13 * 137

[deepsand]

5344


i got a 10
Like this 10?

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/1movieplayboy-gal-derek.jpg

[weegillis]

5345

You're old if you remember that cover!

[weegillis]

5346

Kidding aside, we might wish to address this:

LINK: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/legal/terms_of_use.html

Your call, deepsand.

[byronc]

5347 - i remember that

[byronc]

5348 - i think has a fan club of sorts

[byronc]

5349 i meant, I think deep has a fan club of sorts

[byronc]

5350 = see another 10

[weegillis]

5351

Prime

[byronc]

5352 - whats weegillis stand for somethig fishy and small?

[weegillis]

53 * 101

When you put it that way...

[weegillis]

5354

In the land of Bulgravia it means 'fence sitter'.

[weegillis]

51 * 105

In truth, it means not choosing sides in trench warfare.


That is to say, staying outside of the conflict.

[byronc]

5356 - aha - hard to do sometime on this forum

[byronc]

5357

meh

[weegillis]

57 * 94

Not at all.

[weegillis]

23 * 233

to the other (#5357) I don't understand.

[TrafficProducer]

5360

Yes. that is correct, and there will be some whom will still take legal action even if the show one image...

tongue in check part (again) this full stop "." is copyright so are most people's house's to Google Maps, move about and you will see their Copyright on Google Maps. So if I take a photo, looking the same, of my own home and publish it for cash, (e.g. selling my home), I could get into trouble.


5338


This merely explicitly clarifies that Fair Use here applies.

It does not sanction wholesale copying under any circumstances.

[C0ldf1re]

5361


5334 :) Gonna be here a while!

Welcome to another Brit! Are you yet aware of the unwritten law on this forum? All ladies must declare whether or not they are blonde, and, if so, whether they are of the natural or peroxide persuasion.

[TrafficProducer]

5362

all men must say whether of not they are bald



unwritten law on this forum

[kgun]

5363

5339
would anyone minf if i wrote a program that just botted thes numbers? :)
And you would write the program in Java or even C++ since Java can easily be integrted with C++ through the Java Native Interface (http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jni/)

Why make it simple when it can be made complicated:roll:?

Se also:

Using the Java Native Interface with C++ (http://home.pacifier.com/%7Emmead/cs510jip/jni/)


(http://home.pacifier.com/%7Emmead/cs510jip/jni/)

[deepsand]

5364


Kidding aside, we might wish to address this:

LINK: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/legal/terms_of_use.html

Your call, deepsand.
The magazine is widely and publicly disseminated, with countless copies privately owned. The non-commercial depiction of a particular cover constitutes Fair Use.

In re. the cited ToS, such relates to on-line users of VM's sites.

Said image was obtained, not from a Virgin Media site, but from Google. To the best of my knowledge, Google has already fought and won the battle re. Fair Use here.

[weegillis]

5365

Looks fair to me. Thanks for clearing that up.

[C0ldf1re]

5366


... Looks fair to me. Thanks for clearing that up.

Is that a generic "fits anywhere" spam phrase?

[briguy]

5377
5362

all men must say whether of not they are bald

Fortunate to say still have my hair...
Is there any more "unwritten rules" that I missing?

[kgun]

5368


Fortunate to say still have my hair...
Is there any more "unwritten rules" that I missing?
That you should be able to count.:roll:

[deepsand]

5369


All ladies must declare whether or not they are blonde, and, if so, whether they are of the natural or peroxide persuasion.


all men must say whether of not they are bald
Need they also affirm the truthfulness of such declarations?

[kgun]

5370


Need they also affirm the truthfulness of such declarations?
We should make an exception for true blondes in the forum rules.

[chandrika]

5371
That might be considered discrimination!

I have a dream.....

[deepsand]

5372

We should make an exception for true blondes in the forum rules.
Vetting, of course, will be needed.

You are hereby designated as being the Inspector General of True Blondness in Europe; I, of course, will so serve for North America. :grin:

[C0ldf1re]

5373


... I have a dream.....

I have a dream too. My dream includes a blonde lady.

[TrafficProducer]

5374 beep beep 17

Kgun has discobvered that all these posts are by the Turing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing) AI counter and word adder program: So enen the code that posts incoreect counting an poor sppelling to try to show humans did not work... beep, beep, beep; LOL


5363

And you would write the program in Java or even C++ since Java can easily be integrted with C++ through the Java Native Interface (http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jni/)

Why make it simple when it can be made complicated:roll:?

Se also:

Using the Java Native Interface with C++ (http://home.pacifier.com/%7Emmead/cs510jip/jni/)


(http://home.pacifier.com/%7Emmead/cs510jip/jni/)

[kgun]

5375

That might be considered discrimination!
Asssumptions are essential to economists. I assumed that true European blondes were not able to read nor understand the forum rules.


I have a dream.....
Is had the correct word?

I assume it is difficult to become a true blonde, but nothing seems impossible in todays world.

Source: http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/47513-Funny-Story?p=240357&viewfull=1#post240357

One of my absolute faves... (Blonde Joke alert)

A dumb blonde was really tired of being made fun of, so she decided to dye her hair so she would look like a brunette. When she had brown hair, she decided to take a drive in the country.

After she had been driving for a while, she saw a farmer and a flock of sheep and thought, "Oh! Those sheep are so adorable!" She got out and walked over to the farmer and said, "If I can guess how many sheep you have, can I take one home?" The farmer, being a bit of a gambler himself, said she could have a try. The blonde looked at the flock and guessed, "157."

The farmer was amazed - she was right! So the blonde, (who looked like a brunette), picked one out and got back into her car. Before she left, farmer walked up to her and said.

"If I can guess the real color of your hair, can I have my dog back?"

[kgun]

5376


Kgun has discobvered that all these posts are by the Turing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing) AI counter and word adder program: So enen the code that posts incoreect counting an poor sppelling to try to show humans did not work... beep, beep, beep; LOL
And it should be possible to make a recursive function call that fill up the stack, so we will easily beat the progam, even if it is programmed in assembler and run on a supercomputer. For an example see the PDF document about C++ Builder 2010 professional in my last signature link. Search for Fibonacci numbers (and Fibonacci heap ( that is easily implemented in Java (http://www.jgrapht.org/javadoc/org/jgrapht/util/FibonacciHeap.html) ))

[deepsand]

5377

How can you tell that a blond's been using your computer?

There's white-out on the monitor screen.

[chandrika]

5378
There is a downside to being a peroxide blonde, if you swim in a chlorinated pool your hair can turn green!!!!!

http://www.hairstylezone.com/greenhair.jpg

[deepsand]

5379

And all long I thought that look owed to pond scum. :mrgreen:

[mjtaylor]

5380

Just doing my bit to keep the game going. <3 to all.

[mjtaylor]

5381

Natural.

[deepsand]

5382

As the official Inspector General of True Blondness in North America, I'll be needing to see proof. Your place or mine?

[chandrika]

5383
Well MJs hair does look pretty natural to me in her pics, especially if she lives somewhere sunny.

My pond scum coloured hair (thanx DS :P) was photoshopped really, it was a pic from another thread where i followed a tutorial on coloring hair in PS.

[deepsand]

5384

Consuming a sufficient quantity of silver will permanently turn ones skin blue. :shock:

[chandrika]

5385
Send me some in quantities so that I may test that theory please :D

[chandrika]

5386
Actually colloidal silver is one of the most powerful antibiotics known to man. Cowboys used to put a silver coin in their canteen to keep it pure even in the hottest weather!

@chandrikasfactoftheday

[deepsand]

5387

Yep; and, for those that over indulge, the result is blue skin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38297000/jpg/_38297733_blue_300_ap.jpg http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLN-r2W2RweuW9aMymfgeUywldzUvbZ4yDUBlYBAyfCAmuLNo&t=1&usg=__VEDHzjjm2NWrwrClLfm8wfUAR2k= http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJb1BX6CVRPzK_s3rmSMQLi2xNhcCXx axpwdLlb-b5EVCzkt0&t=1&usg=__P2R8-yThthbsPO2TGXKemPN62ng= http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCwsRU_uYpKdcH5HfkK94EZXVPIEk1R Gw9FZIL0OvKQSKcycU&t=1&usg=___LVKU7VuWDDjuti0E44lZNdj9Fk=

silver blue skin (http://www.google.com/search?q=silver+blue+skin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

[kgun]

150C

Forgive me, back to basics: http://www.subnetonline.com/pages/converters/hex-to-bin-to-dec.php

[weegillis]

17 * 317

Oh cr*p, wrong system...

[kgun]

1010100001110 Binary


17 * 317 Oh cr*p, wrong system...
Seems correct since it will end in a 9.

Wrong system when there is a 1 - 1 mapping between hex, binary and deciaml. Aren't you teaching PHP?

Then why not program that calculator in PHP where you use strings to represent large numbers.

[kgun]

5391

That should be an excellent training in object overloading, by writing a calculator class with one generic setter and one generic getter.

Hint - See page 3 - 7: http://www.oopschool.com/books/ProPHP6Example.pdf

[byronc]

http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/images/pin_diagrams/497844218AD5392_pc2.gif

[kgun]

5393
There used to be two types of mathematicians, but now I have identified a third:


Those who can count.
Those that can not count.
Those who refuse to count.

[mjtaylor]

5393
There used to be two types of mathematicians, but now I have identified a third:


Those who can count.
Those that can not count.
Those who refuse to count.


Please see the permalink of this post ...

<one who refuses to count at the moment>

[deepsand]

5395


There used to be two types of mathematicians, but now I have identified a third:


Those who can count.
Those that can not count.
Those who refuse to count.

To which class do those who deny the existence of infinities belong?

[kgun]

5396


To which class do those who deny the existence of infinities belong?
At lest they can not be pure mathematicians in my personal opinion.

There is a large book published in Norwegian (http://www.aschehougagency.no/books/non_fiction/biographies/stubhaug_arild_called_too_soon_by_flames_afar) about Niels Henrik Abel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Henrik_Abel) which I have read from start to end. If I don't remember wrong, it is written in that book that after his death Abel had given mathematicians at least 100 years of work to correct sloppyness around mathematical assumptions. Such sloppyness could end extremely wrong when making mathematical proofs.

Especially, regarding series and expansions, the exclusion (incorrect understanding) of infinity can end in the most erroneous statements. In addiotion I assume other mathematicians "stole" from Abel and puplished it as their results. I have not heard the same about him, but please correct me if I am wrong.

A bond with infinite live has a final present value. That can be difficult for some people to understand, but it is a simple result of a convergent geometric expansion.

P.S. A great London play. "Enron"

An actual example of how wrong it can end when assumed financial genious are given too great power. (They and their clients may use mathematics that they don't understand like it has been exemplified here by some big financial frauds and scams).

In a nutshell, the story about Enron is the story about an energy giant that was transformed into a casino.

[deepsand]

5397


At lest they can not be pure mathematicians in my personal opinion.
Not even the simplest of logicians.

[chandrika]

5398

5395
To which class do those who deny the existence of infinities belong?

As long as someone believe in numbers, whether they believe in infinity or not makes no difference to counting. So I would imagine that such a person could belong to any of Kguns 3 suggested classes of counters.


He called them 1, 2, 3
We could call each class alpha, beta & omega versions

Lets give them symbols
1 Alpha A
2 Beta β
3 Omega Ω

4 http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/d/2/4/d245777abca64ece2d5d7ca0d19fddb6.png Infinity could be a separate class all of its own, that each of the above type of counters belongs in, even those who do not believe in its existence.

[deepsand]

5399

I put them in the class Those who refuse to count.

[TrafficProducer]

5400 'NEW Game' When Mathematically will the become an Old Game? Not at http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/d/2/4/d245777abca64ece2d5d7ca0d19fddb6.png Infinity :)

[deepsand]

5401

Define "old," and then we'll address the issue of whether or not it will become old "at infinity."

[kgun]

5402

Source:
Professor Bjørn Kirkerud (1989): "Object Oriented Programming With Simula". Addison Wesley Publishing Company ISBN 0 201 17574 6

"chapter 10.10 Can computers "learn" real games?

The number of possible situations in chess is larger than the number of elementary particles in the known universe. That means that it is impossible - and will always remain impossible, no matter what size of computers may be constructed in the future - to declare arrays that are large enough to hold values for every possible situation in a game of chess. It also means that the number of training games necessary to produce acceptable values in a bead array is far too large to be played in the lifetime of any human being. Even the period between two "Big Bangs" of the universe would be too short to produce a chess-player that plays measurely better than completely random by the method described in this chapter. There do exist programs that enable computers to play acceptable chess, but they are based on very different ideas, and cannot be said to have learned to play chess."

A popular definition of random. If enough trained gorillas typed long enough on a type writer one of them would by chance produce Shakespears collected writings.

Finite, infinite countable and over countable like the Cantor Set (of measure zero) are important concepts in pure math.

[chandrika]

5403
An array is a string right?

With a beinning and end point...so some might say that a string could be looped to produce a beginning and and end point that would go on infinitely in a loop, but like you say, it would have to get ever larger if was intended to store data. To store data something other than an string array is needed.

The best example of infinity that I can think of, involves mirrors rather than strings. Because if you put two mirrors opposite each other, the reflections will go on infinitely, getting smaller and smaller, but would still be existing (and so could be retrieved) even though the reflections become invisible to the eye. If data could be stored and retrieved reflectively that way then perhaps there is the possibility that infinite amounts of data could be stored some day on something tinier than a grain of sand.

[deepsand]

5404


The number of possible situations in chess is larger than the number of elementary particles in the known universe.
Hm-mm.

With all 32 pieces present, and without distinguishing between the identical Pawns, Rooks, Knights & Bishops of each color, or of the 32 identical empty spaces, there are 64! permutations

Accounting for the 32! permutations of the empty spaces reduces the number of combinations to 64! / 32!.

Accounting for the 8 identical Pawns of each color further reduces that to 64! / (32! x 8! x 8!).

Accounting for the identical pairs of the other named pieces reduces that to 64! / (32! x 8! x 8! x 2 x 2 x 2) combinations when all pieces are on the board.

Now, allowing that each of the pieces may be present or absent increases that by what factor?

[mjtaylor]

5405

Ding, dong.

<just chiming in>

[weegillis]

5406

The game of chess is scalable from infinite (almost) to a finite set because of the order of play and the state of the board at the beginning of each move, which alternates between players, reducing the set further, at any one time.

With a fresh board, white to move, what are the possibilities? Only ten pieces can be chosen from to make the first move, and they are restricted to 4 moves for the knights, and 16 moves for the pawns. Hardly infinite.

As a game, with a fixed set of rules, the interim possibilities are finite, though we can stipulate that the actual number of possible outcomes grows to an extremely large number.

[TrafficProducer]

5407
Define "old," I think when users stop, (or slow down to hardly using), posting to this Game.

[chandrika]

5408


5407
Define "old," I think when users stop, (or slow down to hardly using), posting to this Game.

Google says.....define : old

# (used especially of persons) having lived for a relatively long time or attained a specific age; "his mother is very old"; "a ripe old age"; "how old are you?"
# of long duration; not new; "old tradition"; "old house"; "old wine"; "old country"; "old friendships"; "old money"
# old(a): (used for emphasis) very familiar; "good old boy"; "same old story"
# skilled through long experience; "an old offender"; "the older soldiers"
# erstwhile(a): belonging to some prior time; "erstwhile friend"; "our former glory"; "the once capital of the state"; "her quondam lover"
# honest-to-god: (used informally especially for emphasis); "a real honest-to-god live cowboy"; "had us a high old time"; "went upriver to look at a sure-enough fish wheel"
# of a very early stage in development; "Old English is also called Anglo Saxon"; "Old High German is High German from the middle of the 9th to the end of the 11th century"
# past times (especially in the phrase `in days of old')
# previous(a): just preceding something else in time or order; "the previous owner"; "my old house was larger"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

[kgun]

5409

Are you sure that your math is correct?


Accounting for the identical pairs of the other named pieces reduces that to 64! / (32! x 8! x 8! x 2 x 2 x 2) combinations when all pieces are on the board.
That is not a large number.



Now, allowing that each of the pieces may be present or absent increases that by what factor?
I don't know. I only found the statement and thought like you that it can not be correct, but he was a Norwegian IT professor that is not wrong that often!

Did you note the heading of the chapter? Is it possible for you to borrow the book on a library and read that chapter to figure out what he really means. At present I am reading three assembly books and a game scriptiong book (of 1200 pages), so I don't want't to kill myself by reading.

I hoped that you and other members had additional information to comment and check (online). That was all.:wink:



With a fresh board, white to move, what are the possibilities? Only ten pieces can be chosen from to make the first move, and they are restricted to 4 moves for the knights, and 16 moves for the pawns. Hardly infinite.
The number of atoms in the known universe are finite countable and far from infinite.

So your conclusion is that one day there is a supercomputer equipped with a program that knows the best move at every state on the board that can be played in (reasonable) finite time?

[kgun]

5410


# of a very early stage in development; "Old English is also called Anglo Saxon"; "Old High German is High German from the middle of the 9th to the end of the 11th century"

Old Norwegian is most similar to Icelandic.

"norsk i perioden fra ca. 700 til ca. 1370, kalles ofte norrønt" = Norwegian in the periode ca. 700 - ca 1370 is often called norrønt (old norse).

Norrønt (http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norr%C3%B8nt_%28spr%C3%A5k%29)

[chandrika]

5411

Or in English (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fno.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNorr%25C3 %25B8nt_%28spr%25C3%25A5k%29)

[kgun]

@Senior Members participating with at lest 50 posts in this thread.

5412

I have the source code (that I can send you for educational purposes) of this

[dinspillside.no/WCHESS.zip]

chess program compiled with an old version of C++ Builder that you can try on your own computer.

If it is easy (difficult) to beat the program increase (decrease) the time the computer can use on each move (it is not 100 % accurate - and there are some elementary ways - weaknesses in the algorithm - to beat the program that you should be able to figure out quite easily).

Side note:

Norwegian Magnus Carlsen World Blitz Chess Champion 2009. He is predicted to become the next Chess Champion.

http://tournaments.chessdom.com/world-blitz-chess-championship-2009


The game of chess is scalable from infinite (almost) ...
What is infinite (almost)?

[deepsand]

5413



With all 32 pieces present, and without distinguishing between the identical Pawns, Rooks, Knights & Bishops of each color, or of the 32 identical empty spaces, there are 64! permutations

Accounting for the 32! permutations of the empty spaces reduces the number of combinations to 64! / 32!.

Accounting for the 8 identical Pawns of each color further reduces that to 64! / (32! x 8! x 8!).

Accounting for the identical pairs of the other named pieces reduces that to 64! / (32! x 8! x 8! x 2 x 2 x 2) combinations when all pieces are on the board.

Now, allowing that each of the pieces may be present or absent increases that by what factor?
Allowing of a completely blank board, there are 32 pieces plus 64 nulls, for a total of 96 entities.

Taken 64 at a time, there are 96! / 64! possible permutations. The number of combinations is obviously considerably less.

That is less that 10 E 33.

The estimated number of elementary particles - presumably this does not mean sub-particles such as quarks - is what?

[kgun]

5414

An array is a string right?
In some languages like C, that is true. A string is a character array. In the exteded ASCII code and symbol set there are exactly 256 symbols. Each symbol is composed of one byte (8 digits) or two hex characters. The code for

A: 40H = 01000000B

A computer program is nothing more than a table of machine instructions (binary patterns) stored in memory.

A computer has final state. A computer can not do pure = "infinite precision" math. How many computers do you need to compute Pi?

But a single chess game is represented by a countable number of states.



infinite (almost)
Unprecise statement.

If K = number of elementary particles in the observable universe, infinity / K = infinity.

Now return to post #5402: http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/60607-NEW-Game?p=524132&viewfull=1#post524132

PS: Now there is a silent transision to unicode in stead of the ASCII symbols.

[web3logistics.com/#unicode-and-multilingual-sites]

[kgun]

5415

The estimated number of elementary particles - presumably this does not mean sub-particles such as quarks - is what?


How many atoms are there in a sand corn?
How many sand corns are there on a sand beach?
How many sand corns are there in Sahara?
How many planets are there in the observable universe?
How many stars are there in the observable universe?
How many galaxies are there in the observable universe?



is what?

Let us start with 2 raised to the power of 320 = (2 raised to the power of 32) raised to the power of 10.

2 raised to the power of 32 is proximately the world population.



Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.

Archimedes.

So can computers "learn" real games was the question?

[deepsand]

5416

Can computers learn to play games? Of course.

Is it possible to design a game that the human electrochemical computer can learn to play that a non-human computer cannot learn to play? I have my doubts.

[kgun]

5417

With a background in neural nets (that can be trained) and AI at the master level, I think I understand what the professor means.

So what are the number of possible situations in real games like chess? To add to his former statement (see below):


The main reason for this (my addition: aside from the simplest games) is that the number of possible situations that could arise is overwhelmingly large for most interesting games and tasks.
.........
Most claims of extraordinary computer abilities are either wrong or -- like the claim for learning by experience and the claims for intelligent behaviour -- based on some small nucleus that is blown up far beyond its carrying power.


Are these time invariant statements or are they specific to the time they were written, in the late 1980's?

Borrow the book and read chapter 10 if / when you have time. Can a computer learn?

[deepsand]

5418


So what are the number of possible situations in real games like chess?
As above noted, less that 10 E 33.


Can a computer learn?
Can the electro-chemical computer between our ears learn? It obviously can and does, as do others.

[kgun]

5419


Can the electro-chemical computer between our ears learn? It obviously can and does, as do others.
That "computer" is better than todays computers in pattern recognition / identifying states. Tell me when you have a computer that beats every chess champion (that may not be so clever after all:wink:) in every match.

[deepsand]

5420

The ability of the human mid to recognize patterns rapidly decreases as the number of elements in the set increase.

Computers are actually much better at both pattern recognition and pattern seeking than are humans for very many type of data sets.

As for chess, that is not a game that is wholly objective in nature.

[kgun]

5421

Fast questions before I go to bed.


Have you heard of the amazon cloud / supercomputer project that shall photograph 1 % of our galaxy by taking one image / second in more than a year? They photograph stars and planets and not atoms in the sand corns in Sahara (a desert on a small planet).
How long does light travel in one nanosecond. Very finite:wink:.
At which speed does the fastest computers operate?
What about 1 000 000 supercomputers operating in paralell8-)? Socalled thinking machines. Will a multithreaded program running on those beat every chess player in every match? Aside from the only advantage in Chess (white has the first move), they have to do that at least in every match they start with white to have full knowledge of every position on the board.
Are chess games suited for paralellization:roll:?

I agree with you that human beings are not extremely good at pattern / state recognition (there should be species that are far better and faster like some birds), but it is easy for a human being to identify what is an areo plane, an insect, a leaf, a cloud, ... every flying object if you prefer. How much information do computerse need to do the same job? In other words how large must those files of known patterns be for a computer (program) to beat a human being in that specific task?



As for chess, that is not a game that is wholly objective in nature.
And the message is?

[weegillis]

2 * 2711 (binary shift left prime number)




Fast questions before I go to bed.


How long does light travel in one nanosecond. Very finite:wink:.

.
.
.
And the message is?




2. Um. I don't know, a nanosecond?
.
.
.
Chess is very subjective.


Just kidding on #2., kgun. We know what you meant, I only played the literal card. how far is to distance as how long is to time or length. We can easily understand that 3E8 * 1E-9 equates to 0.3 of a meter. Finite, indeed.


Chess has defined technical rules of play. These are specific and objective, certainly. But in lieu of the fact that players can be more or less manipulative during play (cause) and play can go in several subjective directions (effect) certain rules have been made 'convention' which dictate over etiquette and duration, such as timed moves, the castle rule, three move rule and no check rule.

It's the subjective aspect of the game, I think, that lends itself so well to human competition. A computer would need to have developed rudimentary emotional responses to external or peripheral stimuli in order to behave as a human would in a game.

[deepsand]

5423


I agree with you that human beings are not extremely good at pattern / state recognition (there should be species that are far better and faster like some birds), but it is easy for a human being to identify what is an areo plane, an insect, a leaf, a cloud, ... every flying object if you prefer. How much information do computerse need to do the same job? In other words how large must those files of known patterns be for a computer (program) to beat a human being in that specific task?
Actually, computers are getting quite good at the above tasks; the only real needs are sufficient data storage capacity and processing speed.

On a recent night, listening to the BBC World news, I heard of a system already operational that was capable of taking voluminous quantities of data involving an unknown number of input/output variables, detecting the causal relationships between variables, and mathematically defining such relationships. This, in systems where humans had failed.

Being ready for sleep, and given the nature of the name of that system, I did not write it down, thinking that I was sure to remember it. I forgot. :sad:


And the message is?
The question is whether or not an inorganic system can become capable of comprehending irrational behavior.

[weegillis]

11*17*29+1

If we limit a game to 50 moves (the unwritten stalemate rule), we have a finite set, in some regards, but that is very large all the same.

A game played by the rules and etiquette as apply in most tournaments can then be boiled down to 100 sets of possible moves, each with 'given that' conditions applied.

We can envision the algorithms and the finiteness of the 'given that' sets. If we as humans can do that, certainly a computer can do it.

[TrafficProducer]

5421

intelligent behaviour I believe that chess is now seen as not real intelligence.

More real intelligence are things like, (robots): opening doors, sitting on chairs, face voice andd speach recognition and understaning

Suff that most humans take for granted but are very difficult for electronics to do.

[kgun]

5426

How can I rely on some of you when you can not count to 5500?:lol:

You do like the cat (side note some of the best falcons can recognize a mouse 2 Km above the ground:wink:) and walk around my fundamental questions:


The game shall be played in finite time. A human being has a short life in this regard.
The limits that light set, eg. optoelectronics (the combination of optics that operates at the speed of light) and electronics. Electronices is used where optics can no be used. Other technological limits like storage.
In short, the number of possible states combined with 1. and 2. above.

I am an ordinary chess player (and have no ambition to become a fairly good one - I would rather use my free time to become a good (sea) trout fisher 8-)).

I don't know exactly how professor Bjørn Kirkerud thougt when he wrote the above cited words, but now it is time to take a new look at the cites I gave you.

In addition it may be time to study that book in further detail. Recommended reading for any with ambitions to become an information science professional.:roll:

Should I go fishing 1 km from my home? The last time the weather assumprions were correct, I got a sea trout of about 2 - 3 Kg and one of 0.5 - 0.75 kg.

Have a nice weekend and think - think - think and don't be too subjective. There is no room for subjectiveness (hope) in the market, only hard work, knowledge - scientific analysis (some say it is an disadvantage in the market) and experience.

[deepsand]

5427


On a recent night, listening to the BBC World news, I heard of a system already operational that was capable of taking voluminous quantities of data involving an unknown number of input/output variables, detecting the causal relationships between variables, and mathematically defining such relationships. This, in systems where humans had failed.

Being ready for sleep, and given the nature of the name of that system, I did not write it down, thinking that I was sure to remember it. I forgot. :sad:
Woke up this morning, with the name in mind.

Autonomy (http://www.autonomy.com/)

[kgun]

5428

Woke up this morning, with the name in mind.
Autonomy (http://www.autonomy.com/)

Does (s)he play chess or are there too many states?

Chess is a binary game:roll:.

0 = Alle other possible situations.
1 = The option you choose.

You have lost when you have no option unless it is a draw. So in each step you have a binary choice.

Which game best characterizes the market? Poker? ;-)

What about the SEO game8)?

[weegillis]

5429


What about the SEO game?
Craps. Definitely a dice game.

[deepsand]

5430


Does (s)he play chess or are there too many states?
Autonomy is involved in things much more serious that game playing.


Chess is a binary game:roll.
To the contrary, chess is a multi-state game.


Which game best characterizes the market? Poker?
In poker the probabilities re. card distribution, etal. are fixed, a characteristic wholly absent in the financial markets.

Perhaps the board games Monopoly or Diplomacy might be more apt analogs.


What about the SEO game?
None comes to mind.


Craps. Definitely a dice game.
Given that the odds in craps are absolutely fixed, hardly an apt analog.

[kgun]

5431

I am thinking

http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/usercp.php (http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/usercp.phpHm.Interesting)

Hm interesting reading.

[deepsand]

5432


5431

I am thinking

http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/usercp.php (http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/usercp.phpHm.Interesting)

Hm interesting reading.
Well, since you're obviously not out waiting for the trout to nibble, I'll bite.

What's interesting about the cited page?

User data?

[kgun]

5433


Well, since you're obviously not out waiting for the trout to nibble, I'll bite.

What's interesting about the cited page?

User data?

See the settings page in the upper right corner and scroll down.

[deepsand]

5434

So, your troubles continue?

E-mail me with particulars. (PM is presently blocked until I purge some missives.)

[kgun]

5435

Never mind. More important things to do.

There is much new content on a page you already know of: http://www.kjellbleivik.com/Books/

[Clicken]

5436

:wave:

[deepsand]

5437

Clicken lives! :shock:

[deepsand]

5438


Never mind. More important things to do.
By now, though, I've a pretty good idea. :wink:


http://www.kjellbleivik.com/Books/[/url]
Have you also someone to help me catch up on all of the reading that I've yet to do? :-|

[kgun]

5439


Have you also someone to help me catch up on all of the reading that I've yet to do? :-|
No, I don't think so.

Today I found the Simula for DOS compiler online that can be downloaded from Gunnar Syrrist's page. I have Simula for OSII. You can find the link to the simula compiler download page and some Simula (for OSII) source files and other Simula resources on the above mentioned page.

[deepsand]

5440


No, I don't think so.
Well, perhaps if you spent less time fishing you could help. :wink:


Today I found the Simula for DOS compiler online that can be downloaded from Gunnar Syrrist's page
Now, there's a name from the past. :D

__________________

[byronc]

so hows everyone

hi Seep, ! no argu, erm. I mean vigerously debating today? Bit quiet eh?

5441

[byronc]

5442,
meant to say Deep....

[byronc]

5444

No, I don't think so.

Today I found the Simula for DOS compiler online that can be downloaded from Gunnar Syrrist's page. I have Simula for OSII. You can find the link to the simula compiler download page and some Simula (for OSII) source files and other Simula resources on the above mentioned page.

i cant think of a reason for this though

5443

[deepsand]

5444


hi Seep, ! no argu, erm. I mean vigerously debating today? Bit quiet eh?
Guess you missed the action at http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/103004-Two-domains-Some-expert-input-please

[byronc]

5444


Guess you missed the action at http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/103004-Two-domains-Some-expert-input-please
5445

had me in stiches, but you gotta admit it went the 15 rounds

[deepsand]

5446

Poor fellow just unraveled at an exponential rate right before our eyes. And, I'm not certain that he's yet retired.

[byronc]

five four four seven

[weegillis]

I am awakened... Hi Clicken!

[deepsand]

5449

Clicken went back into hibernation; too much light.

[briguy]

5450 << Wasn't that the name of a Van Halen Album ?

[deepsand]

5451

Clicken? Or, 5450?

[chandrika]

5452

taking deep breaths (to relieve fury at server being compromised)

[deepsand]

5453

Sorry to hear that.

Server or application?

[chandrika]

5454
Some script had been put on the server (I think) that was sending out mass mails from my domains on it. Its a dedicated server, with a managed service, that somehow got hacked into. I thought it was happening a year or so back, but was told by the previous admin that all was secure. Then they transferred me over to some company called Bodhost, the server is in NY (as far as I know). I got a print out of one of the scripts that the admin said was causing it, but dont know for sure if they have solved it as I am still being flooded by these emails from my domains, which stopped for a while, but have started up again.

[deepsand]

5455

It seems that it's not clear as to whether the server itself was hacked, or if a script was injected via an application running on the server.

[chandrika]

5456
I cant be sure of course, but I do not think it was a script injected. Because a script wouldnt be able to take control of the email server as far as i know? Someone would have had to have had access to at least cPanel to do that.

[briguy]

5457 Can't add anything to 5456 (not my forte)

5451

Clicken? Or, 5450?Taking it that a "clicken" is a insult?

[mark3738]

5458
Just so I can look back and say I was on ctabuk's list!

[deepsand]

5459


Taking it that a "clicken" is a insult?
Hm-mm; no.

See the two posts above your post at http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/60607-NEW-Game?p=525862&viewfull=1#post525862 .

[briguy]

5460
5459


Hm-mm; no.

See the two posts above your post at http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/60607-NEW-Game?p=525862&viewfull=1#post525862 .lol thanks for clearing that up! and thanks for your responses in this thread http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/103163-Googles-200-ranking-factors-lets-list-them.?p=525996&viewfull=1#post525996 you kinda made the learning curve easier!

[deepsand]

5461


... you kinda made the learning curve easier!

That's 'cause you're looking down hill; from where I am, I still can't see the top. :wink:

[chandrika]

5462
just counting

[chandrika]

5463
i am in such a bad mood today, not that its relevant, but just thought i would mention it

[chandrika]

5464
whats happened to Edhan & Uncle Dawg?

[deepsand]

5465


5462
just counting
Just posting for count, eh? :lol:


5463
i am in such a bad mood today, not that its relevant, but just thought i would mention it
That makes 4 of us.


5464
whats happened to Edhan & Uncle Dawg?
Dunno. Been meaning to e-mail Dawg; but, keep forgetting. :(

Maybe he went down with his submaroe.

[kgun]

5466


5440


Well, perhaps if you spent less time fishing you could help. :wink:


Now, there's a name from the past. :D


Like "circle squaring".


i cant think of a reason for this though

5443
Where did you find 5444 in my post? Don't quote me wrongly, please:cry:

[briguy]

5467
5461



That's 'cause you're looking down hill; from where I am, I still can't see the top. :wink:lol..Great response!
Sure like lurking this forum...stumbled upon a nice tip
http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/103191-The-Right-Way-To-Buy-Links?p=526471&viewfull=1#post526471 can used for my affiliates link..wondering about adsense?

[deepsand]

5468

Just stumbling through the place.

[kgun]

5469.

What really counts in this thread is the ability to count correctly or we may end up at - 1 000 000:roll:

[deepsand]

5470

Wouldn't want that to happen, would we.

[chandrika]

5471
I thought that was the objective

[deepsand]

5472

I'm not getting paid to think.

[kgun]

5473

It may depend on how old we are when we log out from this thread:roll::lol:8-)

[kgun]

5474.

There are a lot of intersting news on the WMW forum front page.

[deepsand]

5475


It may depend on how old we are when we log out from this thread:roll::lol:8-)
Now 0.005474 of goal achieved.

[chandrika]

5476
is that a %age

[briguy]

5477
Just dropping by to say "Hi!"

[kgun]

5478

May be we should invent a new way to count:wink:.

[KgunsParrot]

5479

May be we should invent a new way to count:wink:

Contrary to my owner, I like red rep points, so make me red please:wink:

[deepsand]

5480


Now 0.005474 of goal achieved.


is that a %age
That's decimal; equivalent to 0.5474%.

[deepsand]

5481


Contrary to my owner, I like red rep points, so make me red please:wink:
Only if you keep us apprised of running red point total; and, how many red points thrown by each. 8-)

[weegillis]

5481

As in half a percentage point, or 1/200th of our objective.

Sidebar: Could not help but notice how quiet things were on the 18th. Dave's 1 year anniversary came and went.

[deepsand]

5482

Which Dave?

[chandrika]

5484


http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=cd_Fdly3rX8&feature=related

[deepsand]

5485

Who here recalls where they were, what they were doing, when the assassination of JFK was announced?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvK1n6ArYMc

Phil Ochs Crucifixion lyrics

Em D
And the night comes again to the circle studded sky
G Bm
The stars settle slowly, in loneliness they lie
Am D G Em
'Til the universe explodes as a falling star is raised
Am D G Em
Planets are paralyzed, mountains are amazed
Am D G Em
But they all glow brighter from the brilliance of the blaze
Am D Em
With the speed of insanity, then he dies.

In the green fields a turnin', a baby is born
His cries crease the wind and mingle with the morn
An assault upon the order, the changing of the guard
Chosen for a challenge that is hopelessly hard
And the only single sound is the sighing of the stars
But to the silence and distance they are sworn

Em C D
So dance dance dance
Em
Teach us to be true
C
Come dance dance dance
D Em
'Cause we love you

Images of innocence charge him go on
But the decadence of destiny is looking for a pawn
To a nightmare of knowledge he opens up the gate
And a blinding revelation is laid upon his plate
That beneath the greatest love is a hurricane of hate
And God help the critic of the dawn.

So he stands on the sea and shouts to the shore,
But the louder that he screams the longer he's ignored
For the wine of oblivion is drunk to the dregs
And the merchants of the masses almost have to be begged
'Til the giant is aware, someone's pulling at his leg,
And someone is tapping at the door.

To dance dance dance
Teach us to be true
Come dance dance dance
'Cause we love you

Then his message gathers meaning and it spreads across the land
The rewarding of his pain is the following of the man
But ignorance is everywhere and people have their way
Success is an enemy to the losers of the day
In the shadows of the churches, who knows what they pray
For blood is the language of the band.

The Spanish bulls are beaten; the crowd is soon beguiled,
The matador is beautiful, a symphony of style
Excitement is ecstatic, passion places bets
Gracefully he bows to ovations that he gets
But the hands that are applauding are slippery with sweat
And saliva is falling from their smiles

So dance dance dance
Teach us to be true
Come dance dance dance
'Cause we love you

Then this overflow of life is crushed into a liar
The gentle soul is ripped apart and tossed into the fire.
First a smile of rejection at the nearness of the night
Truth becomes a tragedy limping from the light
All the (canons|heavens) are horrified, they stagger from the sight
As the cross is trembling with desire.

They say they can't believe it, it's a sacrilegious shame
Now, who would want to hurt such a hero of the game?
But you know I predicted it; I knew he had to fall
How did it happen? I hope his suffering was small.
Tell me every detail, I've got to know it all,
And do you have a picture of the pain?

So dance dance dance
Teach us to be true
Come dance dance dance
'Cause we love you

Time takes her toll and the memory fades
but his glory is broken, in the magic that he made.
Reality is ruined; it's the freeing from the fear
The drama is distorted, to what they want to hear
Swimming in their sorrow, in the twisting of a tear
As they wait for a new thrill parade.

The eyes of the rebel have been branded by the blind
To the safety of sterility, the threat has been refined
The child was created, to the slaughterhouse he's led
So good to be alive when the eulogy is read
The climax of emotion, the worship of the dead
And the cycle of sacrifice unwinds.

So dance dance dance
Teach us to be true
Come dance dance dance
'Cause we love you

And the night comes again to the circle studded sky
The stars settle slowly, in loneliness they lie
'Till the universe explodes as a falling star is raised
Planets are paralyzed, mountains are amazed
But they all glow brighter from the brilliance of the blaze
With the speed of insanity, then he died.

__________________

[kgun]

5486

5484


http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=cd_Fdly3rX8&feature=related
chandrika has learned to count:roll:

[kgun]

5487

5485
Who here recalls where they were, what they were doing, when the assassination of JFK was announced?

I remember that very well. One of the strongest memories from early Norwegian Tv history.

[weegillis]

5488

David Castle, after whom the break room is named.

[weegillis]

5489

The Principal came into our classroom at some point before lunch and told us all to go home. The television at our home and everyone else's that day was on with full coverage of the news. Would have been in elementary school at the time.

[deepsand]

5488


I remember that very well. One of the strongest memories from early Norwegian Tv history.
I can still picture exactly where I was at that moment. Senior at high school, between periods, halls crowded with students noisily moving to next class, with me passing the main entrance, next to the Admin. Office when Principle comes on PA system - students silent and frozen, like statues.


David Castle, after whom the break room is named.
I am very bad at remembering dates. While I well remember hearing the news re. both JFK and DC, I couldn't recall either date if my life depended on it.

Thank you for the reminder.

[kgun]

5491

Have you started on the road to -1 000 000

[kgun]

5492


I can still picture exactly where I was at that moment.

Same here. Visiting our neighbor and watching Tv while the ordinary program was broken for hours.



I am very bad at remembering dates. While I well remember hearing the news re. both JFK and DC, I couldn't recall either date if my life depended on it.

Easy to remember the date of the year 22nd November, since I am borne the 2nd of November. I have to Google the year.

[deepsand]

5493

NOV 1963 I remember. But, even though the Day is but 3 days prior to the birth date of two of my sisters, it always escapes me.

[kgun]

5494

Soon starting to count vertices to improve my link collection.

[deepsand]

5495



Army bands, known to some as "music performance teams (MPTs)," are the subject of another newly updated Field Manual. "Bands provide music for ceremonial and morale support within full spectrum operations to sustain warriors and to inspire leaders... Army bands of the 21st century are organized, trained, and equipped to conduct concurrent operations in supporting multiple objectives with targeted musical styles." See U.S. Army Bands (http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm12-50.pdf), Field Manual 12-50, 7 July 2010.

SECRECY NEWS
from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy
Volume 2010, Issue No. 66
August 18, 2010

Secrecy News Blog (http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/)

[Clicken]

5496 - <shades>

testing notification

[deepsand]

5497

Did we pass?

[kgun]

5498.

On the correct track again.

[Clicken]

5499 - Looks that way =>

[kgun]

5500

In math that implies implies;)

In economics, we used one single up arrow to mean increase, while two up arrows (from left to rigth) meant increase relatively much:sad: