NEW Game

[Uncle Dog]

4252

I tried magnetic tape but it wasn't sticky enough. I think I need to use the word Iron more often in my pages.

[kgun]

4253

You can start by writing about Margaret Thatcher: Iron Lady HistoryNet (http://www.historynet.com/margaret-thatcher-iron-lady.htm)

Bed time here.

[TrafficProducer]

4252, can you see it? what 5,000 very soon

[deepsand]

4251


... its not allowed in the office to exchange private messages.
Care to try again? :confused:

[jabo]

4252

It's not allowed in my office, the place where I am at now, to be chatting with other people through private emails and stuff like that.. ;)

[deepsand]

4256

The Visitor and Private Message functions on WPW and V7N have nothing to do with instant messaging or e-mail.

By having both disabled you've made it impossible for other members to communicate with you via said forums.

[Uncle Dog]

you've made it impossible for other members to communicate with you

Why didn't I think of that!

[mjtaylor]

4258

You didn't count yours ... Doggone it.

MJ <blonde who finally, after reading the original post, understands the game>

[Uncle Dog]

4259 Ooops!

[deepsand]

4960


Why didn't I think of that!

It's not in your job description. ;)

[kgun]

On track again 4261 :palm:

[deepsand]

4262

I've no idea who entered that "9." :?

[Uncle Dog]

4263

It was me!

[edhan]

4264

Are you ready for 2010? What is your resolution? Time for me to go and do basic Feng Shui ...

[kgun]

4265


Are you ready for 2010? What is your resolution? Time for me to go and do basic Feng Shui ...
Is that self defence in Singapore (should like to have a holiday there in 2010 / 2011) ?

When I was younger I had a course in


Kick boxing and
Judo

but now it is fishing:rolleyes:

[edhan]

4266

Yes. It is 3 days holidays for celebrating Chinese Lunar New Year.

Self defence? Feng Shui is an art of gathering Qi energy. The same energy in Tai Chi or martial arts. I used to play Judo a long time ago ...

[kgun]

4267


Feng Shui is an art of gathering Qi energy. The same energy in Tai Chi or martial arts.

New words. There are so many like SIP, Skype for SIP Open Beta - Product Overview (http://www.skype.com/business/products/pbx-systems/sip/)


An interesting thechnology where you can make your own telphone systems.
Book reference: Building Telephony Systems with OpenSIPS 1.6 (http://www.packtpub.com/building-telephony-systems-with-opensips-1-6/book) Just bought it. Interesting reading.

[deepsand]

4268

Just crawled out of a long slumber necessitated by extreme sleep deprivation. What year is it?

[edhan]

4269

What year? 2012 when the world comes to an end ...

[TrafficProducer]

4270

when the world comes to an end ... Any even number or divide by ten year number will be said to be the end.

Rubbish :(

[edhan]

4271

That's the joy of prediction. Whether the world comes to an end, I know that when my time is up, it's the end of the road for me.

[artagnan1978]

4272 - Let's hope that the end of the world will come when we are not around anymore. I sort of enjoy life as it is...

[edhan]

3273

Well, all I can say is that human creates its own destruction. Just reading and hearing about natural disasters can clearly see the signs ...

[Uncle Dog]

4274

I love visiting this cheerful little corner of WPW. Always a ray of sunshine in a bleak and cloudy... Ah!

[artagnan1978]

4275 - it is indeed a cheerful thread... and perhaps the busiest :)

[Uncle Dog]

4276

Normally quite a bit busier than this too!

[mjtaylor]

4277

Busy bee.

[artagnan1978]

4278 - my humble contribution to this thread :)

[deepsand]

4279


What year? 2012 when the world comes to an end ...
Good thing, then, that I woke up when I did; wouldn't want to miss the big event! :D

[deepsand]

4280


Well, all I can say is that human creates its own destruction. Just reading and hearing about natural disasters can clearly see the signs ...
Given what seems to be on the horizon, it is my sincere hope that I will not here be reincarnated. :(

[Uncle Dog]

4281

I'd hate to be reborn as a smiley too!

[deepsand]

4282

Depends on whether your preference is for anonymity or global recognition.

[Dubbya]

4283 - Global recognition be darned, I'm working toward global domination! :)

[deepsand]

4284

In that case, would not :evil: be more appropriate?

[JasonJersey]

4285

Woww! You guys are shot out! LMAO :)

[deepsand]

4286

That's a result of our having gone so long without the most excellent Scotch that Uncle Dog's long overdue in delivering. :cry:

[Uncle Dog]

4289

It was most excellent. Having gone, so long!

[JasonJersey]

4289

It was most excellent. Having gone, so long!


4288

Looks like you miscounted.. You are 4287. The guy after me will be 4289 LMAO :)

[deepsand]

4289


Looks like you miscounted.. You are 4287. The guy after me will be 4289 LMAO :)

That was just the first of several tests to see how observant you are. :D

[Uncle Dog]

4290

I am not a number, I am a free man!

[jabo]

4291

wow, I know how to count too....;)
don't you guys think that things such as internet is such a social suicide?

[deepsand]

4292

Like any technology, it's a double-edged sword, such that avoiding the undesirable effects also means forgoing the benefits.

[Uncle Dog]

4293

... and like any sword, it was cutting edge technology once.

[deepsand]

4294

The US has just lifted the 21 yr. old import ban on haggis. :D

[jabo]

4295 whats haggis.

[mjtaylor]

4296


4295 whats haggis.

Sheep's organs made into a savoury pudding.

[deepsand]

4297

And, cooked in the animal's stomach or intestines, making it a type of sausage.

Haggis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis)

[mjtaylor]

4298

Yes, that's right. Originated in Scotland, I think. Sounds kind of gross, some people think. I don't think I ever ate it, but I would. I love that sort of thing. Rich.

[deepsand]

4299

Having grown up in an old fashioned German farming family, I'm accustomed to and quite enjoy homemade pork sausage and pon haus (not that awful imitation called scrapple), I'd like to try true haggis, as it's basically sheep sausage with some additional ingredients.

[mjtaylor]

4300

Some people say it's offal; others like it an offal lot.

[deepsand]

4301

The following joke supposedly originated in Scotland itself :

2nd Prize - You get a haggis

3rd Prize - You get to eat a haggis

1st Prize - You don't get a haggis

[jabo]

4302

now I wanna taste some haggis

[mjtaylor]

4304


4301

The following joke supposedly originated in Scotland itself :

2nd Prize - You get a haggis

3rd Prize - You get to eat a haggis

1st Prize - You don't get a haggis

hahahahahaha

[edhan]

4305

Lots of house cleaning to be done by Solar New Year 2010.

[deepsand]

4306

Uncle Sam has long arms - Air Force Museum Unveils Reaper Exhibit | ECN: Electronic Component News (http://imshv.lyris.net/t/20008/2979948/27568/0/) .

[deepsand]

4307

There's a sucker born every minute.

Bomb-detecting ?Divining Rod? Banned for Export | ECN: Electronic Component News (http://imshv.lyris.net/t/20096/2979948/27717/0/)

[mjtaylor]

4308

Thought the reaper must be farm equipment. Boy, was I surprised.

[mjtaylor]

4309

I don't understand. Ouija boards work.

[deepsand]

4310


Thought the reaper must be farm equipment.
Well, that's one of looking at it; it's an implement for removing the stable dung.

[deepsand]

4311


I don't understand. Ouija boards work.
And, a whole lot cheaper than the ADE 651!

[mjtaylor]

4312

hahahhahaX2

[edhan]

4313

Looking forward to meeting my brothers and sisters for Lunar New Year 2010. It is a yearly affair.

[deepsand]

4314

Family reunions are nice.

Unfortunately, by the time one comes to understand and appreciate their value, many family members are deceased. :(

[edhan]

4315

Yes. We love reunions as we have been doing these for many years. But may not be for my children as they have yet to learn the value of family ties.

[deepsand]

4315


But may not be for my children as they have yet to learn the value of family ties.
Speaking of myself, my siblings, cousins, and all others of my age, I can personally attest to the fact that such reunions are interesting to the young to the extent that they have others their own age to play with. At such age they've not yet enough life experiences to understand that their elders will not be with them forever, that the day might come when they regret the loss of such.

[edhan]

4316

In life, it is always happen when people loses someone then they regret. That's why I am teaching my children to treasure what they have and enjoy the moment with people around as we do not live forever.

[Uncle Dog]

4317


4274

I love visiting this cheerful little corner of WPW. Always a ray of sunshine in a bleak and cloudy... Ah!

Deepsand been cheering you all up again, eh?

[edhan]

4318

It is raining today. At least it helps to cool down the hot weather for last few days ...

[deepsand]

4319


Deepsand been cheering you all up again, eh?
It's a hard and thankless task that someone has to do. ;)

[Uncle Dog]

4320

Well it's got a lot easier since Doc's been batting for the other side, but thanks anyway.

[deepsand]

4323

You should spend some time there.

I've already run into a real a$$hole there who very much resembles one or two of our own Red Rep. Raider's past behavior; Doc took him to task, the miscreant gave Doc lip, and a Super Moderator shut the guy up with threat of banishment.

[Uncle Dog]

4322

I've been a fairly regular visitor there, but not spotted much of interest to post on. There're rather a high number of 'nothing' posts and fast turnover that keep obscuring the gems. I also met my own RR equivalent a$$hole too. That's been briefly entertaining but I feel that WPW's definitely superior on the quality/quantity front.

[mjtaylor]

4321

What did I miss?

[Uncle Dog]

4324

Your place in the queue?

[mjtaylor]

4325

Are you messing with the numbers on purpose?

[mjtaylor]

4326 (maybe)

No, that's not what I missed. I meant the drama.

[Uncle Dog]

4327

Me! Messing! Porpoise?

[Uncle Dog]

4328

The boys have been hangin' aroun' the ol' V7N (http://www.v7n.com/forums/) Ranch.

[deepsand]

4329


I've been a fairly regular visitor there, but not spotted much of interest to post on. There're rather a high number of 'nothing' posts and fast turnover that keep obscuring the gems. I also met my own RR equivalent a$$hole too. That's been briefly entertaining but I feel that WPW's definitely superior on the quality/quantity front.
I quite agree, on all counts.

That, after my being there but 5 days, the Admin. gave me my 3rd green rep., with the note "It is soooo nice to have someone around that knows what they are talking about!," struck me as being particularly telling.

Though she appears to be making efforts to improve the place, it is my view that, unless and until the Mods there are encouraged to weed out the tripe she'll be swimming upstream. As thing stand there now, there's too much quantity, and far too little quality.

In any case, I'll be doing my best to help turn that around, at least with regards to the latter.

[Uncle Dog]

4330


... with the note "It is soooo nice to have someone around that knows what they are talking about!," struck me as being particularly telling.

Yeah, Doc's a genius.

[edhan]

4331

I am counting my blessing for 2010...

[mjtaylor]

4332

Blessings are the only things to count.

[deepsand]

4333


Yeah, Doc's a genius.
As will be you, should you ever devise a way to get the damned Scotch delivered!

[edhan]

4334

Every action results a reaction. Believe in Karma and getting your merits.

[Uncle Dog]

4335

...but a reaction is in itself an action, which can be reacted to. Therefore there's only ever been one original action. Come on, own up. Was it you Tubby?

[edhan]

4336

Okay ... I own up! It was my action that got a reaction. I did it. I admit !!!

[weegillis]

4337


4318

It is raining today. At least it helps to cool down the hot weather for last few days ...

Cool rain there.

Ironic how warm rain in Vancouver is melting the free-style skiing slopes below the 1000 meter above sea level mark, and even higher. We need every bit of cool we can get, right now. Hopefully the cold front moving in from Churchill will get there in time, if it even does. At least there will be snow.

[edhan]

4338

Guess we are fortunate here in Singapore to have the cool rain to ease the hot weather.

[deepsand]

4339

Enjoy the variable weather while it lasts; there may soon be a time when more and more children ask "what's snow;" and, perhaps "what's rain?" :(

[edhan]

4340

We all will soon be staying underground as the country is building underground city. No more rain can be seen.

[Tubby]

4341
somebody said
"but a reaction is in itself an action, which can be reacted to. Therefore there's only ever been one original action. Come on, own up. Was it you Tubby?". . . underline by me

No! It was not me. I only ever 'react'. Without the original action I am lost simply because I never know what my opinions or goals really are. It is the original Action that sets the cogs whirring inside my tiny brain. . . I really do need to understand what has preceded to give me direction. . I do not seem to have yet evolved a predictor that can prophesy the precise pathway my reaction will take. I sometime react to my own reaction, indeed I often nullify the action I take with the post action, action.

I am a reactor. . . If ever I am wrong or tempt you towards the wrong pathway (a rare occurrence) simply go back to the previous action . . And ignore my 'reaction'.

I am actually far to busy to post message in this frivolous thread - Please forgive me for not posting this message.

The author denies have written the above, on the ground that this is merely a reaction to a previous post and in no way implies anything substantial or resemblance to reality.

[Tubby]

4342

P.S. somebody should count all the other posts I never posted. There must be lots of them!

[edhan]

4343

Life goes on whether or not we are counting the days of our journey.

[Tubby]

4343

PPS.

I personally checked that theory about every action having an equal reaction

A few years back I punched A German fellow in the head. Having read the theory I awaited an equal reactive blow. . . I got NOTHING!. The German fellow simply slumped to the ground.

Einstein or whatever other Intellectual giant thought up that codswallop was an Idiot - Its BULLSHIT!

That is a fact! . .

[deepsand]

4345

His falling was the reaction; getting up would have been a new action.

[Tubby]

Nope!

4346
Falling is not an equal reaction. Getting up was no more than a consequence. (closely related to 'coincidence) or in the latin 'coincididentus punchus'

I read the word 'Fissics' once!

besides there are no NEW ACTIONS a new action must by definition be preceded by a void (of action) If there was a Void of action I would not have been there to punch him in the first place.

common sense!

[deepsand]

4347

Kinetic energy transferred from fist to face.

Mass x (Velocity, squared) of assailant's fist = Mass x (change in Velocity, squared) of the body of the assaulted.

Falling = reaction to punch.

Simple Newtonian Physics.

[Tubby]

4348 - AHA!

You cannot win this argument deepsand. You have locked yourself into the laws of science, you have enclosed your mind into the realms of physical laws. . . I on the other hand have left my mind free of such clutter and have the freedom to follow my every thought to a conclusion that satisfies my personal need. My beliefs outrank your facts.

Beliefs always outrank facts .

Look at the world deepsand. Every time a terrorists strikes - ask yourself "Did his beliefs outrank the facts? Every Time a gun owner argues with an anti gun owner for days and days and neither side wins. ask yourself "Did their beliefs outrank the facts"

If Facts are universal - why is there an argument about gun ownership?

Beliefs always outrank facts . HAHAHA ***Insane laugh***

GLOBAL WARMING ?- beliefs outrank the facts.

Quit now deepsand . . . I Will win!

[deepsand]

32045 Base 6

The Universe is a cold and uncaring place, and gives not a wit for our beliefs.

Resistance is Futile.

[edhan]

4350

Into the future we go ...

[Tubby]

4349

O.K. So I shall accept your last message as an acceptance of your defeat. That feel you cannot win against any argument that is based on 'belief' and that 'Beliefs always outrank facts'

That any argument you may place will serve no better than any argument you might have that says (for example) There is no God. That your dependence on scientific facts - is no more valid than a dependence on the Bible.

Did I take the exact words out of your mouth Deepsand. . . Or did I misread the Huge red and blue letters.

Resistance is not futile. I am resistant!

May be you have a law that says something about any resistance is equal to another Resistance - look it up.

[Tubby]

AHA

"The Universe is a cold and uncaring place, and gives not a wit for our beliefs."

Even your belief in science Deepsand.

***chuckle***

[deepsand]

4352

That you or I are right or wrong in any regards is of no import to the Universe.

It will blindly impose its Laws with no thought for the consequences.

That is true "cold comfort."

[edhan]

4353

When comes to Universe, there is no right or wrong answer.

[Tubby]

4354
deepsand said
"That you or I are right or wrong in any regards is of no import to the Universe.'

I rarely discuss things with the universe deep. It must confess I never really understood its sense of humour.

People however do have a humour that I can understand. The Universe is far to complicated for me to understand - I have still not got to grips with the 'Big Bang'. I find myself naturally inclined to argue with anyone who does claim to know.

I think I should quit playing here today and do some work....

[edhan]

4355

How's today weather?

[deepsand]

4357


I rarely discuss things with the universe deep. It must confess I never really understood its sense of humour.
Perhaps because it has none. ;)

[edhan]

4358

Finally it is the year of the Tiger 2010. Time to do my Feng Shui placement.

[Tubby]

4359
It must have Deepsand. I recall reading in a local newspaper a while back

'The Council were unable to re build the bridge destroyed in the bush fire because their flood relief funds had not arrived' Or words to that effect.

I did for a few seconds understand that there was an attempt at humour from the larger world (universe) But the death of someone in each event left me wondering.

Is the universe an 'emotion' ?

[Tubby]

4360

'Feng Shui ' Bless you!

[deepsand]

4359
It must have Deepsand.

I did for a few seconds understand that there was an attempt at humour from the larger world (universe)

Is the universe an 'emotion' ?
4361

Why the need to anthropomorphize that which has neither the need nor want for such?

[mjtaylor]

4362

The Universe had better have a sense of humor or you're in big trouble.

[deepsand]

4363

As I'm always in big trouble, I should be well prepared for that. ;)

'Sides, I don't think that I'm in my final incarnation yet.

[mjtaylor]

4364

Well, you *are* in your final incarnation, but this reality isn't it.

[Tubby]

4365
The question -
"Why the need to anthropomorphize that which has neither the need nor want for such? "

Simple Deepsand.
I wonder if 'Emotion' or the ability to feel or some sort of awareness, always existed in some form and our own emotion evolved because 'emotion' always existed.

Every part of our physical being all the elements existed before they were assembled to create every living thing so to speak.
the question, 'Is the universe an 'emotion' ?" Ponders the question.

If one is amused at an observation that 'Beliefs always outrank facts' and that basic emotions that are at the core of our beings. It seemed logical for me to ponder if the universe is an emotion.

You have said yourself that even rocks react to sunlight (heat - cold) - they expand, contract.

If the universe reacts to temperature - Could it also react to thing we are unable to measure, pain for example? The sight of pain can cause a a 'tear'.

If a tear can form at the sight of pain. how different is that to a rock expanding at the touch of sunlight?

I am just trying to keep the thread light hearted and frivolous.

[deepsand]

4366


Well, you *are* in your final incarnation, but this reality isn't it.
How would you propose to differentiate between, and identify, different "realities?"

For example, we distinguish between that which we experience while awake and dreaming, and identify each accordingly, owing to the fact that our experiences of episodes of the former are logically consistent with one another, while those of the latter are not.

[deepsand]

4367


If one is amused at an observation that 'Beliefs always outrank facts' and that basic emotions that are at the core of our beings. It seemed logical for me to ponder if the universe is an emotion.
While emotion may be part of the human condition, must it so be for all life forms?

In point of fact, there are indeed humans who are wholly lacking of such, owing to their brains being peculiarly physically structured.

Bear in mind that possessing of emotion is not a recognized criteria for being defined as being a life form.

The current generally accepted biological description of such is that living organisms exhibit all or most of the following characteristics (excerpted from wikipedia) :


1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.
2. Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.
3. Metabolism: Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.
4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter.
5. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.
6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of multicellular organisms. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism) and by chemotaxis.
7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.


While being a life form may be necessary for having emotions, it is certainly not sufficient.

Is the Universe a life form?

Speculate; but, substantiate.

[Tubby]

4368
deepsand said

Is the Universe a life form?

Speculate; but, substantiate.

No, old mate. No substantiation.

I prefer to ponder, So that I can create my own picture, creating my own illusion where everything appears to make sense, Rather than accept someone elses illusion.

[Tubby]

4368

May our illusions never collide.

That would be a good sign to hang on the gate into the USA. (keep the terrorists out)

[deepsand]

4370

Perhaps you misunderstood my meaning.

When I said "substantiate," I did not mean "prove," but, merely to include "substance," even if it leads to undefinable entities or irreconcilable contradictions.

For example, ponder the question as to whether or not the Universe is finite.

If so, then place an imaginary box around it. Then the question becomes "What's outside the box?"

If something, what? And, why is that "something" not part of the Universe?

If nothing, what is nothing? A vacuum? If so, how does that vacuum differ from one within the Universe.

"Substance" need not necessarily tangible.

[mjtaylor]

4371

It's a little late for me to offer anything substantial, though I require it of other posters. (Hm, wait, this is the BREAKroom, you have to give me a BREAK in here.) But I will try.

I do believe that there are dimensions we can't comprehend with our minds. In quantum physics there is a clear expectation (maybe even proof) of the 5th dimension. I know there are dimensions beyond that (not just because they are discussed in forums like: String theory and 6D Yau-Calibi like protein folding? (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=370122)) but also because I know that time and space are infinite. So must be dimensions.

Somewhere in quantum theory is a well grounded notion that time is not linear, that the past and the future and the so called present are occurring simultaneously. While I find it hard to grasp that concept (as I find infinity hard to fathom) it does suggest to me that our past and future lives are happening right now in other dimensions.

[deepsand]

4372

Even without delving into string theory, one might argue that our being able to perceive three physical dimensions serves as proof of a fourth.

Consider that, to a 1-dimensional being, confined to an infinitesimally thin line, only a point - a 0-dimensional entity - can be perceived.

To a 2-dimensional being, confined to a plane, only a line - a 1-dimensional entity - can be perceived.

In both cases, a given being perceives 1 fewer dimensions than the dimensions in which it exists.

[mjtaylor]

4373:mrgreen:

Yes, yes. My thought exactly.

[Tubby]

4374
deep said
" a 0-dimensional entity - can be perceived. "

Now you are back on a theme that is in common with Kgun.

I can not perceive anything that involves 'infinity' This is one concept that I simply do not accept. Indeed I think it is the root of just about every misconception that exists in the world. My dislike of 'the concept of infinity' and all the pathways that lead to it is well recorded in this forum.

Besides If I cannot touch it - I doubt it.

M-J Do not let deep wander off into conceptual theories that loose any relationship to what we can touch and feel. Touch and feel are the only proof of reality. This is merely an extension of a basic error that most mathematicians make. Basically mathematicians really do believe a farmer can have 7.5 cows in one paddock and 9.5 cows in another paddock -

Mathematicians are 'nuts' .

[Tubby]

4375
Mathematicians always do this. They proudly announce the proof of infinity because a person can always think of one more number .

When a philosopher thinks of one more 'anything' - They demand proof. . Then argue just because the philosopher can think of it does not prove anything.

Definitely nuts, they are. .

[deepsand]

4376


Mathematicians always do this. They proudly announce the proof of infinity because a person can always think of one more number.
That's because such satisfies the definition of infinite!

[deepsand]

4377


Basically mathematicians really do believe a farmer can have 7.5 cows in one paddock and 9.5 cows in another paddock.
So long a at least one cow is deceased, it's eminently physically possible! :D

[deepsand]

4378

Assume that the Universe if finite - what's outside the Universe?

[Tubby]

4379
***Chuckling***

7 cows and some steak in one paddock and 9 cows and some beef sausages in another paddock? Probably be maggot ridden mush by now.

They say the universe is expanding. It must be expanding into whatever is outside. We cannot have it both ways If it is expanding it cannot be infinite. Otherwise yesterday it must have less than infinite. Tomorrow will it be a bit bigger than infinite?

[deepsand]

4380

Definitions - Universe vs observed Universe.

The speed of light limits our field of vision.

BTW, there are different orders of infinities; i.e. some infinities are bigger than others!]

[deepsand]

4381

Time to hit the road, get some supper and sleep.

Keep the camp fire going, Tubby.

[Tubby]

4382
My argument is simple - I do not believe in infinity.
I would accept the argument "I do believe in infinity" as equally valid.

My beef (the two half cows maybe) is conjuring up evidence to disprove my belief. in favour of your own.

My theme is still 'Beliefs always outrank facts'

Camp fire is always burning here deep. . come and warm your hands anytime old Mate.

[Uncle Dog]

They say the universe is expanding.

4383
No, it's us who are shrinking. You can't observe something without forcing it to decide which state it's in. The first "person" looked up at the stars and bingo! The universe is starting to shrink... starting here.

[Tubby]

4384
Am I shrinking in synchronization with the universe?

I have noticed a reduction in my bulk . .

[Uncle Dog]

4385

You seem quieter, so you're either smaller or farther away. You haven't moved have you?

[Dubbya]

4386 - I've moved a few times since I last visited... Sorry, I meant to say I've had movements.

[Doc]

4387

Well, I can see I can't just wander off and leave you people unattended. Tubby, I'm not surprised at... his opinion on infinity and mathematicians is well known. Deepsand (you pointy-eared little devil, you!) has always had a special place in his heart for theoretical physics. In fact, he's beginning to resemble Michio Kaku. MJ, though...I'm gonna have to ruminate a bit on this. I suspect she's been running in a bad crowd.

Come to think of it, that may be Deep's problem, too.

At least Uncle Dog and Dubbya are still the same. Thank goodness some things are still constant.

Lest I forget... Hi, folks. :D

[Uncle Dog]

4388

Where the hell have you been? I've been worried sick. Going off like that in the middle of the night... "I thought I heard a cat" you said, "Back in a tick" you said.

[chandrika]

4389

ive had a really bad day counting seems like a good option now, i surely cant screw that up.

[Uncle Dog]

4390

Hello chandrika. Nice to have you here. I'll count with you for a while.

[mjtaylor]

4391

My friends are very nice, thank you very much. It's the reading and thinking I do that gets me into trouble.

[weegillis]

4350

Into the future we go ...4392
Regardless what we believe...

[chandrika]

4393

Doubled my RAM and got a 512 Nvidia dedicated graphics card today that i wanted for ages, Windows 7 installed also...what could possibly go wrong :s

[deepsand]

4394

It's now off into the latest blizzard I go.

[chandrika]

4390

Hello chandrika. Nice to have you here. I'll count with you for a while.

4395

hello nice to be here counting..seems to be running smoothly so far i have managed to iterate ok.

[edhan]

4396

Delete Vista and install Windows 7. Wow! Speed is great as compare with Vista. No problem so far as compare with Vista.

[deepsand]

4397

Speed of trip home in blizzard not so great - 1:11 to make 25 mi..

At least I got home before the snow plows blocked my drive with a wall of frozen snow.

[Dubbya]

4398 - Wow Deepsand... Been there, done that. There's nothing like sitting with one's feet up in front of a fireplace while the plows block your driveway with furrows of ice.

Take it easy and enjoy your "snow day" at home.

[chandrika]

4399

Deepsand, that storm where you live is being reported on BBC News over here right now...looks really snowy there...they say it will blow over tomorrow, but that the winds are really high.

[deepsand]

4400

Snowfall ended about 3 hrs. ago. Wind seems to be abating a bit; and, lights no longer flickering, raising hopes of getting through the night without loss of power.

As drifting continues, and snow plows have yet to arrive, expect that it will be Fri. before I'm able to get out and about.

Reminds me of Winters not seen here in nearly 50 yrs..

[edhan]

4401

Never see snow before. Would love to have the experience ...

[mjtaylor]

4402

Snow is beautiful, and an experience well worth having ... every once in a while.

[edhan]

4403

It is in the vacation plan. But hopefully not too much snow as it will be no fun ...

[Dubbya]

4404 - I'd rather have 5 or 6 months of snow and cold with clear blue skies than endure the same period suffering through cloudy overcast days and endless rain.

I just had a visit from a friend living on Vancouver Island. He hadn't seen the sun or stars for three months. He was his same old self 4 days later. He was so happy just to be out of the rain.

[mjtaylor]

4405

I'll take the rain over snow any day.

[Tubby]

I take whatever weather the Gods can throw at me. As long as I get to Chose My own location.

It's not going to snow here. I like warm feet.

[chandrika]

4406

Sunshine on a rainy day (because that way you get a rainbow)

[deepsand]

4408


I'd rather have 5 or 6 months of snow and cold with clear blue skies than endure the same period suffering through cloudy overcast days and endless rain.
I quite concur.

And, what the hell does one call a season that consists of an indistinguishable blend of Late Autumn, Winter, and Early Spring? Gray Crap? :(

The occasion gray day is nice for reflective purposes; but, 6 straight months of such is more than anyone should have to bear.

[Dubbya]

4408
And, what the hell does one call a season that consists of an indistinguishable blend of Late Autumn, Winter, and Early Spring? Gray Crap? :(



4409 - I call it "Sad Time". lolz

[edhan]

4410

We are still celebrating Lunar New Year in Singapore and today is the 4th day ...So we like to wish everyone who are celebrating the Tiger Lunar New Year 2010 a prosperous New Year.

[deepsand]

4411

Yesterday was Fat Tuesday, the end of Mardi Gras.

Next up, Saint Patricks Day, 17 MAR. :D

[edhan]

4412

After Lunar New Year 2010 comes a long holidays for my children ...

[Dubbya]

4413 - Two more sleeps until the weekend!

[deepsand]

4414

You get to sleep? :shock:

[edhan]

4415

We are looking like OWLS after many sleepless nights of entertainment for celebration... really need some good nite sleep !!!

[deepsand]

4416

Owls are good. :D

[edhan]

4417

Not when walking like zombies !!!

[deepsand]

4418

Oh; you mean grounded owls!

[jabo]

4419

Happy TGIF people... don't get too drunk if your driving...

[deepsand]

4420

I never get drived when I'm drunking. :D :confused:

[Dubbya]

4421 - Thassryte... ya might hit a bump an spill yer drink!

[deepsand]

4422

And, rebuilding a car is a whole lot easier than rebuilding a drink. ;)

[mjtaylor]

4423

Owl is my familiar.

[deepsand]

4424

And, here I was thinking that the red fox that was prowling my abode night before last might be such. :(

[artagnan1978]

4425

Any of you watching and enjoying the Winter Olympics?

[deepsand]

4426

Not me. I find them quite boring.

[astro]

4427

i am surrounded by owls, they keep me awake at night.......they swoop through my balcony grabbing anything attracted by the light.

I was surprised once to see a large barn owl take a bat on the wing over my pool. I did not think they hunted like that.

astro

[Uncle Dog]

4428 - Stay away from the light!

[deepsand]

4429


I was surprised once to see a large barn owl take a bat on the wing over my pool. I did not think they hunted like that.
Owls are carnivores, birds of prey. Prior to witnessing this, how did you think they got their food?

[Dubbya]

4430 - I always thought they waited their turn in the McDonald's Drive Thru, just like the rest of us.

[deepsand]

4431

I think you're confused, and mistook seagulls as owls.

[24SevenCart]

Anyone has seen an owl as big as a goat?

[edhan]

4432

Celebration for Tiger Lunar New Year is over by this Sunday ... looking forward to another celebration ...

[astro]

4429


Owls are carnivores, birds of prey. Prior to witnessing this, how did you think they got their food?

4433

I thought Barn owls scanned the ground with their acme US army surplus night vison goggles and jumped on unsuspecting rodents.

The little scops owls take the moths drawn Carole Ann like to the veranda and pool lights. As do the bats (loads of those as well) Just never seen an owl take a bat hunting moths on the wing before. Sort of take one get one free situation!

[astro]

4434

Edhan,

You have not missed anything having never seen snow. There is snow in the air as I type. It is cold, wet and kills people. Dangerous stuff. Stay away from lights and snow!

[astro]

4435

Yes been watching winter olympics. Was totally amazed we got a gold with Amy Williams. Team GB is not very good when it comes to winning medals! Why object to her helmet??? Anyway a new experience for them methinks!

[Dubbya]

4436 - Snow isn't a problem for me. It's the "colder than a whore's heart" windchill that makes winter unbearable.

[mjtaylor]

4437

Just love you guys.

[Dubbya]

4438- Aww shucks, mj... You know we love you too.

http://disney-clipart.com/snow-white/jpg/Disney-7-dwarfs.jpg

[deepsand]

4439


Snow isn't a problem for me. It's the "colder than a whore's heart" windchill that makes winter unbearable.
Down here the saying is "Colder than a witch's tit."

[Dubbya]

4440 - These oughtta make ya giggle.

Cold Weather Jokes (http://www.yuksrus.com/weather_coldtemp.html)

[edhan]

4441

I love dwarfs ... so cute!

[deepsand]

4443

I'm not very tall. ;)

[deepsand]

4444

Almost there!

[edhan]

4445

I played basketball ... so I am kinda tall ...

[deepsand]

4446

As did I; and, I sucked at it. :(

At wrestling, though, I excelled! :D

[edhan]

4447

I sucked at wrestling but good at swimming though!

[submitserve01]

fifty one..this is good fun

[edhan]

4448

Two more days to end the Tiger Lunar New Year 2010 celebration.

[Dubbya]

4449 - Just a few more hours before the weekend.

[deepsand]

4450


I sucked at wrestling but good at swimming though!
Owing to low body fat, I'm a sinker; i.e., I cannot float.

At the Naval Academy I was placed in a special swim class known as "Sub Squad," where the primary emphasis was on staying on the surface with a minimal expenditure of energy.

[edhan]

44450

It's weekend here and it's already morning 9.10 am.

[chandrika]

4452

i float like a stick, dont even have to paddle, gues i have lots of body fat or hollow bones or something

[edhan]

4453

Life is like travelling in a train ... time up .... alight from the train ...RIP

[deepsand]

4454


i float like a stick, dont even have to paddle, gues i have lots of body fat or hollow bones or something
It's the ration of fat to non-fat that counts, not the absolute quantity of either.

One need not be overly "fat" to float.

BTW, physically fit women generally have a higher body fat percentage than do similarly fit men.

[edhan]

4455


4454


It's the ration of fat to non-fat that counts, not the absolute quantity of either.

One need not be overly "fat" to float.

BTW, physically fit women generally have a higher body fat percentage than do similarly fit men.

I just lies back and float in dead sea ... guess it must be my body density that keeps me floating ...

[Uncle Dog]

4456

I played basketball ... so I am kinda tall ...
Does basketball cure shortness?

[Doc]

4456

Does basketball cure shortness?

4457
Don't get your hopes up, Shorty!
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/dcamp2626/ROFL1.gif (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Sheldon%20L.%20Campbell/My%20Documents/%5bIMG%5dhttp:/i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/dcamp2626/ROFL1.gif%5b/IMG%5d)

[deepsand]

4460



Does basketball cure shortness?
Only for those who succeed at it.

[Uncle Dog]

4461

I apologise for my lack of shortness success, for the first 12 or so years I thought I was doing quite well but...

[deepsand]

4462

What counts is, not what you have, but what you do with it. ;)

[Uncle Dog]

4463

I put it in a little ivory box, shrew fur lining with egret feather stuffing, trimmed with gold and finished with an emerald and hens teeth hasp.

[deepsand]

4464

Outstanding! :cool:

[Uncle Dog]

4465

No! My outstanding box is way too bling to put it in.

[edhan]

4466


4456

Does basketball cure shortness?

No cure ... just helping out to get taller ...

[artagnan1978]

4467

Any of you watching the Winter Olympics?

[edhan]

4468

Waiting to watch the Youth Olympics in Singapore

[kgun]

4469

I love winter Olympics, since we have a comparative advantage on snow and ice. We may be reduced to amateurs when people from Kenya and Ethiopia learn cross country skiing.

Now South Korea is the best nation in skating.

[Dubbya]

4470 - Ho hum... Another weekend, another Gold medal in Men's Hockey at the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver.

[kgun]

4471

Congratulation. Big match. It will be much worse for you and us in 2014.

Excellent great Olympics. Learned very much about Canada that I did not know.

It must have been the worst Olympics for Austria, Finland and Russia in decades. I promise you. They will come back.

[deepsand]

4472


Medvedev has suggested that, if the entire Russian Olympic Committee does not resign, he'll help them to do so.

[Dubbya]

4473- I'm sure that us Canadians will fare quite well during the 2014 Winter Olympics in Russia. Most of us will be watching the events live in HD from the safety of our centrally heated homes.

[kgun]

4474


Medvedev has suggested that, if the entire Russian Olympic Committee does not resign, he'll help them to do so.
A language Russians understand.:roll:

It was also mentioned on our news today.

[kgun]

4475

I'm sure that us Canadians will fare quite well during the 2014 Winter Olympics in Russia.
I noted that Canadians could exchange the other 13 gold medals to the one in hocky if that was the only option.

Our soccer trainer, professor Egil Olsen was sure that the level in hockey is extremley high. He was not so sure about the level in the sports where the athletes were running hills we ski on their legs.

I think I agree with him.

[deepsand]

4476

A language Russians understand.:roll:
Da, eta pravena. :-|

[mjtaylor]

4477
Another day in Paradise slides to a close, a full moon rises.

[Dubbya]

4478 - Ah, Key West.... gatorz n' ceement ponds... It's got everthang!

[deepsand]

4479

But, we've got 'gator repellent - snow. :D

[byronc]

4480 - news just in - ways to improve site hit rate -start a count :)

vier duisand, vier honderd en tagtig

[mjtaylor]

4481

Snow or a lack of fresh water works, too. Haven't seen a gator west of Big Pine Key ... gators need fresh water and there isn't much of that standing around here except in ceement ponds - we do have lots of those!

There is a fresh water lens on a sinkhole in Big Pine and the gators thrivce alongside Key Deer. We do see the occasional croc down here, but they are more Key Largo denizens than anywhere else in the Keys.

[deepsand]

Alligators aren't crocodiles, all of which are fresh water denizens?

[kgun]

4483

Deepsand must be tired. He forgets to count. May be he is influenced by the shift of the earths axis after the Chile earth quake that has reduced the length of the day.

[deepsand]

4484

Yes, the 1.26 microsecond delay between when things happen and when I'd expected them to is disconcerting to the point of being disorienting.

[Uncle Dog]

4485

I refuse to wait that long. If nothing's happened by then, I give up and do something else.

[deepsand]

4486

Hm-mm;;) "it" actually happens 1.26 microseconds before you expected it to.

[Uncle Dog]

4487

I've trained myself to expect the unexpected.

[deepsand]

4488

Yes, but, which unexpected?

[Tubby]

No wonder that pie I put in the microwave did not cook properly -

1.26 microseconds ?. . . that must be nearly a whole kilolitre in metric.

[deepsand]

4490

At least that much.

Fortunately, as witnessed by your presence here, it wasn't fatal.

[edhan]

4491

I don't use microwave anymore after knowing steaming is better for health ...

[deepsand]

4492

The greater risk from microwaving lies in the chemical BPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A) used to harden the plastic food containers, or the liners of cardboard containers, that are suitable for such use in a microwave oven.

[edhan]

4493

So guess I have made the right choice to steam my food. ;)

[deepsand]

4494

Fortunately, the body flushes BPS quite quickly.

However, for those feed a constant supply of it, such a babies being bottle fed from plastic bottles hardened with BPA, and/or with formula from cans lined with BPA, the levels can remain sufficiently high so as to lead to hormonal effects with permanent consequences.

That is why Canada has banned, and an increasing number of States here are banning, BPA from infant products.

[mjtaylor]

4495


Alligators aren't crocodiles, all of which are fresh water denizens?

Actually, the American Crocodile, which ranges widely in the Florida Bay and the Everglades is highly saltwater tolerant ... Florida Keys Treasures - Crocodile (http://floridakeystreasures.com/creatures/crocodile/)

[deepsand]

Yep; more that a few crocodilians tolerate brackish waters, including Crocodilia Alligatoridae Alligator mississippiensis.

The only other extant alligator is Alligator sinensis, the Chinese alligator.

And, Southern Florida is the only place where alligators and other crocodiles co-exist.

BTW, caimans are also crocodiles.

[mjtaylor]

4496 or 4497?

And if you don't count, do I count for you?

Not to worry, the pythons may eat them all.

[jabo]

4498

its been quite a while eh...

how is everyone?

[Tubby]

4499

In Northern Australia we have two Crock types - 'Freshies' and 'Salties' . You can swim with Freshwater crocks -

The Saltwater crocks eat Tourists (mainly Germans I think) - or anyone else they can find . .

[edhan]

4500


4499

In Northern Australia we have two Crock types - 'Freshies' and 'Salties' . You can swim with Freshwater crocks -

The Saltwater crocks eat Tourists (mainly Germans I think) - or anyone else they can find . .

Don't think we can find those in Singapore so must go to Australia to see them !

[Dubbya]

4501 - I very nearly risked my life to get this closeup photo of some hungry Crocs in their native habitat.

http://rawhem.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/07252008_crocs-1.jpg