How Long Does It Take To Get Traffic From Bookmarking Sites?

[janeth]

Inspired by Bill Hartzer (http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=69201), I have decided to do some testing. I’m going to start by signing up with some of the book marking sites and figuring out how they work. I’ll make a post about each site.

Then I’m going to use those sites to get traffic for 4 other sites including this one. I’m going to make all the stats public so everyone can see them and I’m going to add new post to each site everyday,

I’m using blogs on 3 of the sites and the fourth will be an online mail order bride site that I once owned but have since sold to a really nice guy I would like to try and help out.

The sites are listed below

Lawn Mowers (http://www.successfulmowing.com/)

Social Bookmarking (http://www.ranked1.net/)

Politics (http://www.bloggin.info/)

Mail Order Brides (http://www.coffeegirls.biz/)

I’m using several in different areas to see how each area does.

Ok Let’s get started.

[southplatte]

You go Janeth - I am very curious to see the results to see if this is something I can implement on a new site I am launching.

[janeth]

First step is setting up all the stats so everyone can see them, I’m doing that now and I’m setting them for unique visitors only and keep in mind that forum visitors do not count.

I’m going to use Statcounter so it will take me a couple minutes to get everything set up and posted on the blogs.

[tacimala]

Interested in seeing what happens here. Thanks for doing the experiment.

[janeth]

You go Janeth - I am very curious to see the results to see if this is something I can implement on a new site I am launching.

I'm also very interested to see how it might help me in marketing some of my other sites.

[janeth]

I've added the stats to the bottom of ranked1 on the left hand side, you can click below it and should be able to see everything.

[janeth]

I'm using this list (http://www.geeksonsteroids.com/1.php) from William to start with on signing up with some sites. Once I'm signed up I'll play with the sites a little and post my thoughts on each site.

Signing up is a pain and time consuming.

[janeth]

I don't even see a link on www.tagtooga.com to register with that site.

[janeth]

Another site with problems www.linkroll.com I get an error everytime I add my information, will come back and try them again later.

[southplatte]

I don't even see a link on www.tagtooga.com to register with that site.

Janeth -

According to the site: "Creating a Free Account
When you first visit TagTooga.com, an "automatic-account" is instantly created for you. You may immediately begin adding/editing content on TagTooga.com. The automatic account is given the name of your IP address, which may not be permanent. To create a permanent account, click on "Logout" in the left rail and then click on "Register". You will be guided through a simple process to create your account."

[janeth]

Thanks southplatte, I had a lot of windows opened and was trying to register on all the sites as fast as I could.

Trying to get to the meat of this thing asap but either way I think Ken might be going to take over these test.

He's upset about me doing them but has no idea how big of a pain it actually is doing all this stuff for the first time.

I just want to see the end results and don't really care who does them.

[janeth]

This was from Ken


I must say Janeth, that has to be absolutely the most shameless play I have ever seen to steal a thread for self promotion!

I really didn't mean to upset anyone and think it's best that I no longer post anything about this test.

[southplatte]

You know what? I say do it anyway, just without posting a step-by-step and in the end if you don't want to post the results here, PM them to me, email them to me, contact me through my web site with them.

I want proof that original content will get great results.

[langsor]

janeth,

I should have posted my reply to this new thread here, instead I posted it on the tail of the old thread (http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=69201&start=182).

I am also interested in your experiment. If you do not have the time, or do not want to go against the grain of this bulletin board--I totally understand.

If, however, you are still planning on conducting this experiment--please consider keeping me in the loop.

Let me know if there is anything I can do to help, too.

Thanks

Kevin
kdouglas@satarah.com

[anandnadaar]

Janeth, even I am eager to see the results.. Best of luck with your test and I dont see anybody should be hurt by your test because ultimately "How to" topic is meant for people to learn and work upon it. So you may post your results here.. which can be open to all.
And if that really gives you the claimed results then again best of luck with your new traffic flooded website :)

[Clint1]

This was from Ken


I must say Janeth, that has to be absolutely the most shameless play I have ever seen to steal a thread for self promotion!

I really didn't mean to upset anyone and think it's best that I no longer post anything about this test.
I don't see where that was posted. Don't be discouraged by posts from elsewhere. I'm very interested in this and have clicked to subscribe to this thread, so we certainly hope you won't stop. (That other thread is too long with too much BS and I can't make any sense out of it, I can't even ascertain if it all was legit or not!) Hopefully this thread will add some clarity.

[Clint1]

Another site with problems www.linkroll.com I get an error everytime I add my information, will come back and try them again later.
That site isn't even up now. Maybe that's why.

[janeth]

I'll have the sites submitted to all the bookmarking sites today.

[Clint1]

Please forgive me for saying, or asking, but I'm not clear on what this "social bookmarking" thing is. Isn't this just another word for those "link farm" or "directory" websites?

I have had VERY BAD experiences with them. Every email address I've used (when they've asked for email addresses) was attacked with hundreds of UCE's after submitting a link and the email address had to eventually be deleted. Then, your link "rotates off" in a matter of days or even hours in some cases.

[janeth]

I've not had any problems with spam emails from anyone yet.

These are sites that allow you to store your bookmarks for the public to see.

If I see a site I like I can bookmark it and let everyone else see it.

[Clint1]

I've not had any problems with spam emails from anyone yet.

These are sites that allow you to store your bookmarks for the public to see.

If I see a site I like I can bookmark it and let everyone else see it.
I see. So the benefit is if others registered at these sites see your bookmarks and click them?

[janeth]

Yes, I'm writing an article on it now and will bookmark that article on every site and see what happenes.

[Clint1]

Yes, I'm writing an article on it now and will bookmark that article on every site and see what happens.

Hmm, that really makes me wonder what the domain/URL is of that guy that started the other thread. I can't imagine such a large number clicking on a link unless it's really something. Someone on the other thread mentioned it must be some kind of p0rn site and link or similar, which would make sense.

I guess it boils down to what the product for the link is and if bookmark site visitors are interested in it.

[janeth]

They found thoses sites and they were not about anything special.

Here is what I wrote and I'm bookmarking it on all the sites now. I have one of the girls in the office doing the bookmarking and I'm doing the writing.

I will continue to write and bookmark stuff all day today.



“No Hustle. No Bustle. No Stress. No Search Engines. No Links.
No Fourms. No Time. No Direstories. No Money Spent.

Just Build A Website, Write The Content And Dominate The Whole Internet By Doing Nothing More The Bookmarketing your sites. It Can All Be Done In Less Then 7 Days.”

“Dominating The Market With Social BookMarking”

Bookmarking is nothing new, when you’re out surfing the web and find a site you really like and would like to return to that site later you can use your browser to bookmark that site, so it’s easy to find when your ready to return. But storing those bookmarks so others can see them is new.

There are a number of sites online that will allow you to publicly store your bookmarks so others can see the type of sites you enjoy. If you find someone that enjoys the same types of sites you enjoy, then your able to find many sites you may never know existed otherwise. It’s a craze that seems to be sweeping across the internet and one that marketing experts are starting to take notice of.

Some marketing experts are claiming to be able to dominate a marketing area as well as getting 1,000’s of visitors a day by doing nothing more then bookmarking their sites and writing good content for those sites. The amazing part is they claim to be able to do it in days instead of months.

Members of WPW and WWS, along with myself, decided to put this to the test, so I’m writing this article and will bookmark it on all the bookmarking sites.

Now the marketing expert that claims to be able to dominate the market did it in less then seven days and with a brand new domain name that had never been registered before and had no links going to the site.

I’m using a blog that allows pinging, an older domain name, and a well written header stolen straight from the marketing guy, I’ll not only bookmark the site but will write articles inside the site and bookmark them as well and this site already has links going to it. You want to talk about a stacked deck; this experiment has everything in the favor of the marketing guy.

I want him to be right, I want to be able to take a new site and get 1,000’s of visitors a day and dominate the market in less then a week.

Here we go, this article will be placed on the site and we will start our marketing efforts in dominating the market.

[Clint1]

Interesting. So just what is this "pinging"? I know what ping is and means, I do it with my own site and other sites but it's for timing issues. Can someone please explain what a "blog that allows pinging" means? Why would you want to "ping" a SE? Is this pinging an SE, just clicking it?

http://www.google.com/addurl?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.domain.com%2F&dq=&submit=Add+URL

That's just the G shortcut to the page AFTER you submit a URL to G.

[janeth]

I can take my Geeks Blog and make a post, it then pings different search engines like this one http://blogsearch.google.com/ I can then go back and do a search on the topic of my article and I already rank number one for that article on the above site.

I can write an article on search engine optimization and show up number one on the results in a matter of minutes. For the user they get fresh information, for me I get traffic. The strange thing is that it only seems to work on older established sites. I have to do some more testing and research on that.

[janeth]

I rank #1 right now for Dominating The Market With Social BookMarking and the post is only 15 or 20 minutes old.

[Clint1]

But how exactly does it "ping" the SE's? Is that example I gave considered pinging?

Is all of this just for G's blog search, or, for google.com web searches as well?

[janeth]

Do you have a blog your using Clint?

[Clint1]

Do you have a blog your using Clint?
No, my 2 main sites are the sale of goods, products.

[janeth]

Do you have a blog your using Clint?
No, my 2 main sites are the sale of goods, products.

Are you wanting to know how the pinging works or how to make it work on a site or how to make it work with a blog?

[Clint1]

Yes, as to how the pinging works, just out of curiosity. Also yes as to how or if this can be made to work with sites that sell products. Not blog-related (unless of course some kind of a blog can help sell products). ;-)

[janeth]

The first site has been submitted which is the SMO Site (http://www.ranked1.net) I'm not seeing a lot of traffic from the bookmarking site although there are a couple hits coming in from them.

I'm about to do the political site (http://www.bloggin.info/) now it's a bit harder to write for since I'm not an American and not into my own countries politics much less the American politics. (-;

But either way I've written something for it and will be submitting it next. I'm also going to do the GeeksOnSteroids site to see if I see any increases in sales there.

It's a bit time consuming but I'm going to continue to write articles and bookmark them and see what happens.

I'm also studying the different sites to see if I can figure out how they work and figure out how to increase the little traffic I'm getting now.

Once I get this all figured out I will move towards the Social Networks and see what I can do there.

[janeth]

A small note, Bill only submitted the sites one time, I've submitted the sites and then went back to submit the different articles from those sites.

So I'm doing a little more then what he had originally done so the results should be better

[joer80]

my experience with digg is you have to spend a lot of time making friends, and digg their posts, or you need alot of traffic on your website that will click from your website to digg to digg your post. Great quality content will sink to nowhere within 15min.

I was not impressed with Digg, Stumbleupon or Delicious. Stumble click in and back out, doesn't convert. I just never got any hits from delicious. Have not tried the others.

(I think the single links are what is of value not the traffic or amount of people linking to it that find it interesting.)

[southplatte]

my experience with digg is you have to spend a lot of time making friends, and digg their posts, or you need alot of traffic on your website that will click from your website to digg to digg your post. Great quality content will sink to nowhere within 15min.

I was not impressed with Digg, Stumbleupon or Delicious. Stumble click in and back out, doesn't convert. I just never got any hits from delicious. Have not tried the others.

(I think the single links are what is of value not the traffic or amount of people linking to it that find it interesting.)

good info to know joer80! thanks for sharing

[nipplecharms1]

Dear Janeth,

Ken gets way too into some of this "policing" stuff here! He has interesting things to say but sometimes takes things to an extreme. I found your comments noteworthy, ergo my post here.

I do have a question or 43. I have been working my site for a few years and the hits are ok, positions is nice, conversion sucks but its fun. I am lost on this and Bill Hartzer original post. I posted there also.

Does all of this only work for blogs? I do have a blog and would love more traffic.

But more importantly, blogs do not sell items. They may talk about items (ours show people wearing our jewelry so please do not go there if you do not like to see body jewelry) but they are not commerce sites.

I want to try all of this on one of our Body Jewelry (http://www.nipple-charms.com) sites. this link is not our main one but one for international orders.

At the risk of "promoting myself in a thread" do you have any suggestions? I would love to try and understand what you are doing with the 5 sites you mentioned here but really this stuff is still greek to me.

Any layman's insight my you or other is encouraged and appreciated.

thanks

Michael

[janeth]

my experience with digg is you have to spend a lot of time making friends, and digg their posts, or you need alot of traffic on your website that will click from your website to digg to digg your post. Great quality content will sink to nowhere within 15min.

I was not impressed with Digg, Stumbleupon or Delicious. Stumble click in and back out, doesn't convert. I just never got any hits from delicious. Have not tried the others.

(I think the single links are what is of value not the traffic or amount of people linking to it that find it interesting.)

Thanks Joer,

It sounds like a lot of work to get traffic from people that are not interested in buying anything.

[janeth]

Dear Janeth,

Ken gets way too into some of this "policing" stuff here! He has interesting things to say

I must have missed those lol



Does all of this only work for blogs?

We are not even sure if it will even work but no it will work for anything you want it to work on with enough effort.


But more importantly, blogs do not sell items.

They can sell more items then a website if set up right. (:


They may talk about items (ours show people wearing our jewelry so please do not go there if you do not like to see body jewelry) but they are not commerce sites.

But they can direct the traffic back to your site to make the sell. Let me write my thoughts and I'll post back here in one second.

[nipplecharms1]

Dear Janeth,

Ken gets way too into some of this "policing" stuff here! He has interesting things to say

I must have missed those lol

He did mention the nice weather in Dallas once! :)



Does all of this only work for blogs?

We are not even sure if it will even work but no it will work for anything you want it to work on with enough effort.


But more importantly, blogs do not sell items.

They can sell more items then a website if set up right. (:


They may talk about items (ours show people wearing our jewelry so please do not go there if you do not like to see body jewelry) but they are not commerce sites.

But they can direct the traffic back to your site to make the sell. Let me write my thoughts and I'll post back here in one second.[/quote]

I await your response. And we use our blog to get people to our site... now the trick is getting the blog out there.

for what its worth, for nipple jewelry on MSN, our blog is number 1. But does anyone buy from MSN?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Michael

[janeth]

lol

I'm writing my thoughts down now. (:

[janeth]

I'll start with blogs.

I can take a post and write it about a new nose ring, show pictures write up an article and use my blog to get the information out there. I can place a little click here if your interested in buying this button that takes you to my shopping cart.

I can then get links to that post from outside my site and rank that post number one for the keyword the topic is about.

Lets say it's about red square widgets. I use red square widgets in my title, in my text and I have pictures of red square widgets on the post as well as a red square button that says buy this red square widget here.

Now I have anchor text going to that page that says red square widget. I rank number one easily for that keyword because it's not competitive.

If someone searches for widgets they may be looking for blue widgets, round widgets , black widgets and that traffic want convert very well but if I rank for red square widget they get what they are looking for and I should have a very high conversion rate.

Did that make sense?

Of course you would then do it for each and every product you sell.

I'm writing about your other question now.

[janeth]

I tend to want to see proof before I decide something will or will not work. The SEO blog has had both the home page and one article submitted to all the sites in the list Bill said he uses. It has had around 70 visitors today and I'd guess less then half those are from the bookmarking sites.

I don't think I'm going to get the results Bill claims to have gotten just by submitting the sites and I don't know that he got those results but I'm not saying the results are not obtainable.

1.From what I can tell you need to become part of the community before your going to be able to get the results your wanting to get.

2.It's going to take a lot of visitors to make the sell, from what I've read so far these visitors do not convert easily.

3.Submitting the site does not seem to be enough to get a lot of traffic but submitting each article might do the trick.

4.Your dealing with people that are savvy enough to understand those sites, know how to find them and know how to use them. These people are web surfers and spend a lot of time online and are less likely to buy what you have to sell. But if you hit the right person you can make a sell.

This can be used for branding a site and making a little money but it's going to take a lot of work to make it work. Just in the list that Bill said he uses there are 40 sites, can you imagine trying to fit in and be part of a community on 40 different sites?

These are my observations from playing around for a full day with the sites and I'm far from finished.

[nipplecharms1]

I can then get links to that post from outside my site and rank that post number one for the keyword the topic is about.

here I am in a quandry. Where do you get this accomplished? Other's blogs? press releases? Forums?

Thanks so far!!

Michael

[janeth]

here I am in a quandry. Where do you get this accomplished? Other's blogs? press releases? Forums?
Thanks so far!!
Michael

Yes, Lets say that I've just written my blog post and I've got everything ready to go.

Now I can send out some press release (I have a list of all the places to submit them to for free), then I'm going to rewrite the article and submit it to all the article sites (I have a list of all the places to submit them to for free) both of these have links back to the original post.

If I'm still not ranking

Now I will submit that page to directories and make comments on other blogs with links back to that post plus I will link to the page from my site with the needed anchor.

Then I will join forums and find places where I can link to the article without spamming.

We are talking about non-competitive search terms in most cases so you should only need a link from your site.

But if I'm still not ranking I'll go to bloggin and create a blog about the topic and link post in that blog to the page in the articles I write on that blog.

If I'm still not ranking I'll create little free mini sites with links back to that page.

I'll sign up for places like myspace build my page and link it back to the page.

We have a list of bookmarking sites we just used that can link back to the page.

Getting links are easy and I could go on and on.

[nipplecharms1]

Let me digest and get back to you. THANKS!!!

If you want to e-mail me or get me those lists that would also help.

Michael

[janeth]

The article (http://www.geeksonsteroids.com/Article-list.php) list is here and the press release (http://www.geeksonsteroids.com/forum/viewpost.28898.html&highlight=#28898) is here.

[joer80]

I honestly think his magic is not in the bookmarking, that is just what got him indexed. The magic is his pinging and various content sources monitoring the sites that he is pinging. That is it. Blog search is driven by freshness of the post so the key is in post frequency.

;)

[janeth]

I honestly think his magic is not in the bookmarking, that is just what got him indexed. The magic is his pinging and various content sources monitoring the sites that he is pinging. That is it. Blog search is driven by freshness of the post so the key is in post frequency.

;)

On day 3 he wrote 15-20 unique web pages on day 5 he added another page. We are talking about a total of 20 to 25 pages and no proof was ever shown that the guy is even telling the truth.

[southplatte]

On day 3 he wrote 15-20 unique web pages on day 5 he added another page. We are talking about a total of 20 to 25 pages and no proof was ever shown that the guy is even telling the truth.

And if the links provided in the other thread are in fact his, he is not even writing the content, but just using a content clearing house for it. Further, he claims all the advertising contracts that he has to sort out, however what other revenue has it brought in?

[janeth]

On day 3 he wrote 15-20 unique web pages on day 5 he added another page. We are talking about a total of 20 to 25 pages and no proof was ever shown that the guy is even telling the truth.

And if the links provided in the other thread are in fact his, he is not even writing the content, but just using a content clearing house for it. Further, he claims all the advertising contracts that he has to sort out, however what other revenue has it brought in?

If those were the correct sites he pulled them off line when everyone found them. If I had a bunch of advertisers lined up ready to spend money I don't think I would have been pulling the sites off line.

[langsor]

Well,

Bill definitely has Ken snowed (if he's making up these results)?!.

Off topic:

Have you ever noticed how Ken and Bill never seem to respond to the same question? Like, Ken will jump in and defend Bill even when Bill is nowhere to be seen and not even trying to defend himself.

What it brings to mind is that they are like two personas/profiles for the same person. Both there to server different purposes...

Of course this is way out there, just a thought.

On topic:

I'm slightly embarassed that I know so little about SEO and driving traffic to a web site, since web design has been my sole (meager) livelyhood for some time now.

I, once again, want to thank everyone participating on this topic. I'm learning quite a lot, and am excited to learn the results...I will have to turn over a new leaf if/when all this works. Knowing how to make it work, I can no longer not make that a part of my business offerings/services.

Peace,


Kevin

[janeth]

The political blog seems to be picking up steam now. We did not get the stats added on the site until about 3 hours ago and it has already gotten around 80 visitors to the site.

We have also not finished submitting the site yet to all the bookmarking sites.
I'm going to try and turn out an article an hour and have one of the girls here start submitting them. I'm thinking at that rate we can hit 1,000 visitors a day on the site by tomorrow.

Then I'm going to put another girl on myspace and some of those types of sites and I'm going to start posting on the forums again.

My goal at this time is to try and push the site to 10,000 visitors a day and try and figure out a way to convert the traffic into money.

It's not as easy as Bill made out but enough people on the project I think I can do something with this.

[janeth]

It looks like the traffic stopped when we stopped.

I'm about to get started again now but it looks like when we stopped submitting them the traffic slowed up and stopped after serveral hours.

You also have to have something worth reading.

[joer80]

You said you are not posting on the other thread anymore but I wanted you to read my response, so here it is. (It also applies to this thread as well)

"It is a fact that some.. well a lot of great content brings visitors that don't link to what they read. May work great for news content targeting Internet savvy users though.

This alone limits this train of thinking in my eyes."

[janeth]

You said you are not posting on the other thread anymore but I wanted you to read my response, so here it is. (It also applies to this thread as well)

"It is a fact that some.. well a lot of great content brings visitors that don't link to what they read. May work great for news content targeting Internet savvy users though.

This alone limits this train of thinking in my eyes."

I don't think it would only be limited to those types of sites but I do think it would work well for those types of sites. It's a matter of figuring out what type of people we are dealing with and testing to see how to get those people to buy the products we want to sell.

The tool bar is used to help Google find pages they may not know about, but it does not help you rank.

If what he's saying is true just set the site up to refresh every three seconds, install the Google tool bar and let it refresh on the page for a couple days. You should be ranked number on every search you do.

[langsor]

Hi,

I don't use toolbars (just more clutter) but I suspect it would be based on unique visitors...

If I were Google, I would look at not just who goes to a site, but if (how much) they travel between pages once they get there, and of course if they come back--thus your refresh method would work (-;

Janeth, what you're saying is that even if you manage to generate visitors, they are not targeted and are not going to convert into buyers--is this correct?

What Bill is saying, is that first you get the visitors, then you get the google ranking, then you can attract targeted visitors from google (a three step proccess)--correct?

What you are saying is that just getting visitors will not increase google ranking (a premise Bill is using for his argument)--then how did he (if he really did) get google ranking on his new site--or did he just brag about unique visitors and not google ranking (I forget now)?

Bill also bragged about linkbacks that he did not create, this would help ranking-- no?

But does all of this require infiltrating and spending tons of hours on social bookmarking sites? If so, I might rather shoot myself than go down this road!

Am I understanding this all correctly?

Edit: P.S. However, if this really does work and can be converted into buyers--it would be worth hiring some high-school kids to do the social bookmarking sites...since they probably are anyway

[janeth]

Hi,

I don't use toolbars (just more clutter) but I suspect it would be based on unique visitors...

You would just need to get a proxy list and make a bot, you can change theip address for every visit and even have him spend some time on the site. (;



If I were Google, I would look at not just who goes to a site, but if (how much) they travel between pages once they get there, and of course if they come back--thus your refresh method would work (-;

If you use a bot you could have him go through a proxy list and repeat the list once he reached then end, even let him pick the proxy at random.



Janeth, what you're saying is that even if you manage to generate visitors, they are not targeted and are not going to convert into buyers--is this correct?

Your targeting tech savy people so you have to figure out how to make a site sell to them, or it's just a waste of time.



What Bill is saying, is that first you get the visitors, then you get the google ranking, then you can attract targeted visitors from google (a three step proccess)--correct?

Why not just go for the Google ranking and cut out all the other if thats what you want. You can get targeted traffic to a new site in less then a week.



What you are saying is that just getting visitors will not increase google ranking (a premise Bill is using for his argument)--then how did he (if he really did) get google ranking on his new site--or did he just brag about unique visitors and not google ranking (I forget now)?

I think he said every one was searching for his name. The only thing he ranked for was the name of the site and it was a name he had made up.

Seems a little strange to me.



Bill also bragged about linkbacks that he did not create, this would help ranking-- no?

Yes but then you can get more links with less work and better links in less time.



But does all of this require infiltrating and spending tons of hours on social bookmarking sites? If so, I might rather shoot myself than go down this road!

Am I understanding this all correctly?

Yes the method he is talking about requires a lot of work and time.



Edit: P.S. However, if this really does work and can be converted into buyers--it would be worth hiring some high-school kids to do the social bookmarking sites...since they probably are anyway

Would that be the image you would want people to see of your business? (-;

[nipplecharms1]

can you believe that this post (page two post from me) shows up on Ask.com as number 9 when you search blogs and feeds for "nipple jewelry" (without the quotes.)

That is amazing to me.

Michael

[langsor]

Edit: P.S. However, if this really does work and can be converted into buyers--it would be worth hiring some high-school kids to do the social bookmarking sites...since they probably are anyway



Would that be the image you would want people to see of your business? (-;



Yes, you are absolutely correct that this would be image-suicide! Good point...

Thanks for the step-by-step. By the way, how would you suggest getting rankings and linkbacks more directly and of better quality (if you don't mind my asking)?

Thanks,


Kevin

[janeth]

can you believe that this post (page two post from me) shows up on Ask.com as number 9 when you search blogs and feeds for "nipple jewelry" (without the quotes.)

That is amazing to me.

Michael

Yes I can, your in an ideal Market to make money from the search engines.

[janeth]

By the way, how would you suggest getting rankings and linkbacks more directly and of better quality (if you don't mind my asking)?

Thanks,

Kevin

And What A Long Post That Would Be

We Could Call It

“The Real Way to Launch a New Site and Dominate the Market”

There are a lot of misconceptions going on about how to start making money with a new or even an old site. I’ll pretend like we’re talking about a new site but the idea would be the same if it was an old site. Let’s pretend that we have a quality design, a good product and everything online is 100% ready to go. Now we need the traffic.

Let’s pretend that we are selling car parts and I have all my car parts in stock and ready to go. I have a 68 ford mustang left hand door skin, if I rank this part for the keyword car, then I’ll get people looking for new cars, car pictures, car dealers, used cars and the list goes on and on. That would be a waste of bandwidth, time and energy for me; I will not sell this part to someone looking for a new car or someone that does not even own a Mustang.

A little common sense tells me that I need to sell this to someone who is looking for a 68 Ford Mustang left hand door skin. I notice that I have a red one, blue one and a black one. I’m going to take my blue one and create a page named blue-mustang-door-skin.

On this page I’m going to write up some text about my 68 Ford Mustang Blue Door Skin. I’ll use the words 68 Blue Ford Mustang Door Skin at the start of my article, in the text, at the end of my article, in bold, in header tags, in plural and singular words and I’ll use those words together and separate from each other and in links coming and going from this page and most importantly, I’ll use them in my page title.

I’ll also have pictures of my Blue 68 Ford Mustang Door Skins that are optimized and set up for the search engines. They will rank if someone does a search in images for a 68 Blue Mustang Door Skin and they will rank if someone does a search in the organic engine for 68 Blue Mustang Door Skin because this is a non-competitive search term. I’ll have a call to action that will take my visitor to my shopping cart when he is ready to make the purchase.

On this page I’ll have links on the left hand side that will link to a page called Door Skins, 68 Red Mustang Door Skins, 68 Black Mustang Door Skins and the list will go on and on pointing people to different model and ages of cars that I have door skins for.

I’ll do this for every part and product that I’m selling. Once I finish, I will send out press releases about my new site, about my products and then I’ll write articles about my products and link those back to my products with the proper anchor text. I’ll submit these to article websites; I’ll then find car forums and start posting in those and use my signatures to link back to my product pages. I’ll create a blog and forum on my site to talk about my business and products and link to my products from that blog every chance I get. I’ll write post in my blog that we get others to link back to my blog.

I’ll create small sites like a 68 Ford Mustang website where I’ll give information and have a little forum for people that are interested in 68 Ford Mustangs to post. I’ll use this website to link to my products and help promote my main site. Once it’s going good I’ll create a new forum for 69 Ford Mustang lovers.

I could go on and on, I’ve not even started writing yet, there are so many ways to make money online.

It will take me some time and a lot of work but I will dominate the market that I’m in.

[langsor]

You rock!

I get it!

Thank you!

My personal challenge is in doing this service for each and every one of my clients...yikes...this is one reason I am trying to find a niche market of my own--so I can devote this kind of attention to my own product site, and continuously grow and refine it.


Thanks again for your help,


Kevin

[janeth]

No Problem Kevin, I left a lot of stuff out but thought it would be a good start.

[nipplecharms1]

can you believe that this post (page two post from me) shows up on Ask.com as number 9 when you search blogs and feeds for "nipple jewelry" (without the quotes.)

That is amazing to me.

Michael

Yes I can, your in an ideal Market to make money from the search engines.

From your mouth to God's ears about the idea market to make money. I am dead to Yahizzle and sales are not as great as they should be. I am having a hard time converting traffic. I can get traffic, I cannot get them to buy.

Any suggestions on where I can get some help there?

Also in your other post, great ideas about the door skin. But when do I fullfill orders in that scenerio? You have the fundementals down, now we have to run with them.

thanks Janeth.

Michael

[janeth]

It takes a lot of people a long time to realize how important it is to convert the traffic into dollars. Most people think they just need more and more traffic.

The conversion problem is with your website and it's a never ending problems that require making changes with your web design and structure of your website and testing those changes. Most people are unwilling to make changes and it's a waste of time trying to show them problems.

[Clint1]

A little common sense tells me that I need to sell this to someone who is looking for a 68 Ford Mustang left hand door skin. I notice that I have a red one, blue one and a black one. I’m going to take my blue one and create a page named blue-mustang-door-skin.

On this page I’m going to write up some text about my 68 Ford Mustang Blue Door Skin. I’ll use the words 68 Blue Ford Mustang Door Skin at the start of my article, in the text, at the end of my article, in bold, in header tags, in plural and singular words and I’ll use those words together and separate from each other and in links coming and going from this page and most importantly, I’ll use them in my page title.

I’ll also have pictures of my Blue 68 Ford Mustang Door Skins that are optimized and set up for the search engines. They will rank if someone does a search in images for a 68 Blue Mustang Door Skin and they will rank if someone does a search in the organic engine for 68 Blue Mustang Door Skin because this is a non-competitive search term. I’ll have a call to action that will take my visitor to my shopping cart when he is ready to make the purchase.

On this page I’ll have links on the left hand side that will link to a page called Door Skins, 68 Red Mustang Door Skins, 68 Black Mustang Door Skins and the list will go on and on pointing people to different model and ages of cars that I have door skins for.

This is exactly what I have done for my products, and what SE's call "duplicate content"!! I don't think it is, you don't think it is, but the over-zealous moron SE's DO think it is dupe content! At least G does, and now as of recently, MSN as well! I totally agree with you, but it just doesn't work now in the real world. At least not for long. Changing the "red", "blue" and "black" in your example just isn't enough.

[nipplecharms1]

This is exactly what I have done for my products, and what SE's call "duplicate content"!! I don't think it is, you don't think it is, but the over-zealous moron SE's DO think it is dupe content! At least G does, and now as of recently, MSN as well! I totally agree with you, but it just doesn't work now in the real world. At least not for long. Changing the "red", "blue" and "black" in your example just isn't enough.

The only thing that even comes close to working in this scenerio for Goizzle is if you put the different pages as different sites on different hosting companies.. but then in some ways this defeats the purpose of one site.

janeth, I will take any suggestion or critizism you or anyone else has to give and try it. I am that desparate, tho desparate is the wrong word here!

Michael

[janeth]

This is exactly what I have done for my products, and what SE's call "duplicate content"!! I don't think it is, you don't think it is, but the over-zealous moron SE's DO think it is dupe content! At least G does, and now as of recently, MSN as well! I totally agree with you, but it just doesn't work now in the real world. At least not for long. Changing the "red", "blue" and "black" in your example just isn't enough.

You have to change more then just the colors, you need unique content for each product.

I did not mean to only change the colors and leave the other text the same. (-;

[Clint1]

This is exactly what I have done for my products, and what SE's call "duplicate content"!! I don't think it is, you don't think it is, but the over-zealous moron SE's DO think it is dupe content! At least G does, and now as of recently, MSN as well! I totally agree with you, but it just doesn't work now in the real world. At least not for long. Changing the "red", "blue" and "black" in your example just isn't enough.

You have to change more then just the colors, you need unique content for each product.

I did not mean to only change the colors and leave the other text the same. (-;

Ah, ok. ;-) So how much do you think would need to be changed exactly? Just the meta tags and title tag? (which I DID change). Or all the page's body?

[janeth]

Just the meta tags and title tag? (which I DID change). Or all the page's body?

You need to change it all. (:

[Clint1]

This is exactly what I have done for my products, and what SE's call "duplicate content"!! I don't think it is, you don't think it is, but the over-zealous moron SE's DO think it is dupe content! At least G does, and now as of recently, MSN as well! I totally agree with you, but it just doesn't work now in the real world. At least not for long. Changing the "red", "blue" and "black" in your example just isn't enough.

The only thing that even comes close to working in this scenerio for Goizzle is if you put the different pages as different sites on different hosting companies.. but then in some ways this defeats the purpose of one site.
Michael
Do you mean to say G's dupe content penalty is a bit too strident? ;-) (Then the other sites can't be new or you'll be sandboxed). I wonder why their "cat-litter box" doesn't apply to blog sites!??

[janeth]

You can get out of the supplemental index by getting more links to your site.

[janeth]

Do you mean to say G's dupe content penalty is a bit too strident? ;-) (Then the other sites can't be new or you'll be sandboxed). I wonder why their "cat-litter box" doesn't apply to blog sites!??

Not at all, I'm just saying that if you stay as far away from it as you can then you have nothing to worry about.

[Clint1]

Do you mean to say G's dupe content penalty is a bit too strident? ;-) (Then the other sites can't be new or you'll be sandboxed). I wonder why their "cat-litter box" doesn't apply to blog sites!??

Not at all, I'm just saying that if you stay as far away from it as you can then you have nothing to worry about.
That was meant for "nipplecharms". ;-)

[Clint1]

You can get out of the supplemental index by getting more links to your site.
Well I'm showing thousands of IBL's, and increasing daily (at MSN and Y, we all know G's link: command is broken and never worked), and my pages in G are DECREASING daily. No one can possibly get anyone for that matter to link to EACH of your webpages, nor should it be required to get out of supplemental. Especially when like I said, the pages WERE 1st on the 1st page of results. I think G is just plain broken. I know millions that will agree with that. :-O

[janeth]

oops Sorry

[Clint1]

I just received an awesome incredibly well-timed email from a long time email friend of mine. It can't get anymore appropriate that this:

You may be going through a tough time right now but God is getting ready to bless you in a way that only He can. Keep the faith.

My instructions were to pick four people that I wanted God to bless, and I picked you. Please pass this to at least four people you want to be blessed. This prayer is powerful, and prayer is one of the best gifts we receive. There is no cost but a lot of rewards. Let us continue to pray for one another.

Here is the prayer:

Father, I ask You to bless my friends, relatives and email buddies reading this right now. Show them a new revelation of Your love and power. Holy Spirit, I ask You to minister to their spirit at this very moment. Where there is pain, give them Your peace and mercy. Where there is self-doubt, release a renewed confidence through Your grace. Bless their homes, families, finances, their goings and their comings In Jesus' precious name.

I think I'll leave at that today, my heart has had all it can take. I'll be on my second heart attack at this rate. I was reminded again of my faith, and it's all in his hands now.

Janet (or Jane?) thanks again for all your replies and posts. I'll read them again tomorrow, and catch up on the new posts. ;-)

[nipplecharms1]

Well you cannot argue with His intervention!

But for us mortals, my earlier point is we carry a shaver on our site. I have most of the copy of that wholesaler, as does 100 other affiliate and web sites. there is, dare I say it, swinger sites that carry the content word for word. BUT, no damage is done to the wholesaler, even when the affiliate sites are only that one page.

My point is there may be something to the search engines seeing that the duplicate content is on different IP address so less "duplicate" weight is given..... just a theory mind you.

Ok, off to find blogs and forums where i can post and add a link back to my jewelry site.

Michael

[lolmom]

I read, I believe, up to page 8 on the "other" thread and was so happy to be redirected here. I have learned so much in this thread and thank Janeth for taking the initiative to do what I do not have the resources to do. I look forward to seeing how this all plays out. I am even more eager to understand how the whole blog/website relationship will play out. I have a blog (http://pedalcar.blogspot.com) that brings very little traffic to my website (http://www.qualitypedalcars.com). I have few sales, but they have been increasing. My website has been up since June and month by month sales increase, but not substantially. I think I had the right idea about getting a blog to help advertise the site, but I find there are just not enough hours in the day. How do you even prevent the "burn out" that comes with this whole process.

I, of course, find that persistance is the key and that if you do so continually, the end result will pay off. On the other hand, is it even possible to be consistantly persistant and not feel the need to give up (at least for a little while)?

Also, naturally, once you let go of the reigns for just a little bit, you can slide down again in terms of others interested in your site (lack of freshness). It can be easily overwhelming even though one wants to succeed. Good intentions are not enough.

I'm just rambling, but the point I'm trying to make is that I am very eager to hear about this social bookmarking animal in relation to getting visitors. I don't just want any type of visitor, but targetted ones. Is this possible with a website?

Also, someone asked and I'm not sure if I read the response, but can you use social bookmarking on a website?

[janeth]

Also, someone asked and I'm not sure if I read the response, but can you use social bookmarking on a website?

Yes, you can bookmark a regular website.

[lolmom]

Thanks for your reply Janeth. I took some time to finish reading the other thread and see where it may not be beneficial to do this on a website such as mine (e-commerce selling toys). Would you say that is true?

I have a blog that I advertise on using blogger, but I would have to first take the time to subscribe to the social bookmarking sites and then to write continuously good content to submit daily. Did I understand that right?

I appreciate your help.

Liz

[janeth]

Thanks for your reply Janeth. I took some time to finish reading the other thread and see where it may not be beneficial to do this on a website such as mine (e-commerce selling toys). Would you say that is true?

I have a blog that I advertise on using blogger, but I would have to first take the time to subscribe to the social bookmarking sites and then to write continuously good content to submit daily. Did I understand that right?

I appreciate your help.

Liz

Yes that is correct.

If you write to articles a day you will see an increase of around 200 visitors per day but chances are non of those visitors will turn into customers.

There are a lot of things that can be done with a toy website that would work a lot better then doing the bookmarking.

[nipplecharms1]

I have a blog (http://pedalcar.blogspot.com) that brings very little traffic to my website (http://www.qualitypedalcars.com).

FYI your site takes some time to load and the fire truck graphic does not work.

Good luck, you have some kool things. Sorry my kids are past that age!

Michael

[lolmom]

Thanks for the heads up. I just fixed the fire truck graphic.

I'm not sure how to fix the load time. Have any suggestions?

[nipplecharms1]

Thanks for the heads up. I just fixed the fire truck graphic.

I'm not sure how to fix the load time. Have any suggestions?

Are your graphics optimized. Believe it or not, MS Photo Editor, that shipped with Word 97 is a great optimizer. I create my graphics in Photoshop, save them for the web, then reopen in Photo Editor and resave. This shrinks most graphics down by like 85%. I only use jpg's if at all possible.

Just a thought. Happy motoring!

Michael

(Sorry Janeth.. just a little diversion on the road to tranquility!) :)

[janeth]

(Sorry Janeth.. just a little diversion on the road to tranquility!) :)

This thread is no longer on topic but I think we found out what we were looking for. (:

Did you get my email Michael?

[nipplecharms1]

(Sorry Janeth.. just a little diversion on the road to tranquility!) :)

This thread is no longer on topic but I think we found out what we were looking for. (:

Did you get my email Michael?

I did not, can I ask where you sent it? Ok, maybe in the forum is a bad place to ask. :)

Michael

[lolmom]

Sorry if I was the catalyst to the "off topic" topic.:/

Janeth, I just went over to the review my website thread and thank you for that information. I will continue this conversation over there.

Thank you for the suggestions nipplecharms1. :-)

[nipplecharms1]

(Sorry Janeth.. just a little diversion on the road to tranquility!) :)

This thread is no longer on topic but I think we found out what we were looking for. (:

Did you get my email Michael?

Oh you are brutal! LOL I just found it in the pm's. can we discuss off line?

michael

[janeth]

(Sorry Janeth.. just a little diversion on the road to tranquility!) :)

This thread is no longer on topic but I think we found out what we were looking for. (:

Did you get my email Michael?

Oh you are brutal! LOL I just found it in the pm's. can we discuss off line?

michael

Of course that is not a problem at all.