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janeth
11-01-2006, 10:13 AM
A member of WPW, JuniorOnline, posted a link earlier today to an article about SMO (Social Media Optimization). I wonder how many people are aware of the money that can be made with SMO as compared to SEO?

SMO is not about getting a number one ranking on the search engines but more about building a site worth talking about. The end goal is not only getting traffic from forums, blogs, Digg and other Social Media places but building a name for yourself as well.

Our site has some pretty good ranking in the search engines but we make more money from building websites for members of forums like WPW then we do anywhere else.

I'm going to try and explain whats worked for me.

1. I love helping people and have probably built over 100 websites for free, my intention was not to get anything in return but many of these people have posted links to my site as well as sent me family and friends as clients.

If I was making a how to list #1 would be always have your heart in the right place. Post on forums to help people and not to promote your own business.

2. I've learned more on forums then anywhere else. Everyone knows more about something then you do. Try and learn something from everyone you meet.

3. Always try and improve your website. You should not be making self promotional post on forums, you've got one shot to make the sell and that's through your website. Always try and improve your design, text, logo and images as well as the way your site operates.

One of the hardest things for me to learn was how to take criticism on my own website. Now I'm glad to have the opportunity to fix something I may not have seen before.

If your going to make money on forums your website needs to be the best, there is a lot of competition on forums.

4. Debates are good but never let them get personal. I had a lot of problems learning how to debate a topic with-out letting it get personal.

5. Bad information, I think a lot of people post bad information just to get people posting on a topic they started. I would never do this, it not only makes you look bad but also causes people to become confused about the topic being talked about.


At the end of the day you end up with links pointing to your site from forums, blogs and other websites talking about something you've said or done.

This helps your website rank in the search engines not because of link exchanges or submitting your site to directories but because you were out helping someone.

When your website does rank it's the best it can be, you've been improving it everyday to help sell your product or service, while your competition has been submitting there site to directories and doing link exchanges.

You've also been making money from day one instead of worrying about the search engines and were you rank.

People need to forget about the search engines and start learning how to make money online.

incrediblehelp
11-01-2006, 11:16 PM
Another good thread Janeth. Very interesting, but eventually if you conduct good SMO, your rankings will climb. The days of just optimizing a website and getting rankings are far behind us. To get rankings your must optimize a website and then conduct Social Media Optimization to gain important one-way, relevant links.

Tubby
11-02-2006, 12:45 AM
Janeth said. .
If I was making a how to list #1 would be always have your heart in the right place.

I spent fifteen minutes looking at this snippet, trying to work out why this could not be correct. I am going blue in the face trying to find a hole in the logic behind this cheeky little sentence. I seem to be unable to.
I suspect this could be the 'Perfect' starting point. . . . . . . . . . for anything!

Webnauts
11-02-2006, 01:32 AM
Now this will be a great thread!

And Janeth, thanks for bringing up this topic.
I added a category in my new forums: http://forums.seoworkers.com

Cool stuff! Lets go for it. :)

Tubby
11-02-2006, 02:25 AM
Janeth how close is SMO (Social Media Optimization).
to what I term SUO (site user Optimisation)

example of site user optimisation below.
Aris, you can list as many parts as you like - you can place as many photos
as you like to help you sell those cars or parts -
Keep the writing UN- CAPITALISED - keep it lower case. list the parts
seperately - not all together in a jumple.
list cars here - http://restocar.com/cgi-bin/usfm/form.cgi?form=8
list your parts here - http://restocar.com/cgi-bin/usfm/form.cgi?form=18
list your photos here - http://www.photohosters.com/signup.php?p=1 you
need a password so you can change photos. choose the members free plan-
if you need more space email me . . If you have any problems. . email me.

Tubby

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tikis" <changed-by-tubby@verizon.net>
To: <paddy3@tpgi.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:37 PM


Hi Tubby My Name is <ARIS> I Like to Know howmany parts can I list,And
howmany pictures to.
I own a 1940 STUDEBAKER COMMANDER 2 DOORS 10A I Like to kept it ORIGINAL
But I EXCHANGE ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION THATS the only changes I make
everythings els are ORIGINAL,SO its why Im ask you because I have about 30
to 40 small parts or maybe more .
PLEASE LET ME KNOW MY EMAIL TIKIS@VERIZON.NET THANKS TUBBY I ALSO OWN A
1958 CHEVY IMPALA NOMAD WAGON THE WAGON EVERYTHING IS ORIGINAL BOTH CARS
RUN LIKE A CHAMP,I PURCHASE THE STUDEBAKER ON 1968 AND THE WAGON ON 1995,SO
I MAYBE HAVE SOME CHEVY PARTS TO I HAVE TO LOOK MY STORAGE.
THANS AGAIN TUBBY.

janeth
11-02-2006, 06:59 AM
Another good thread Janeth. Very interesting, but eventually if you conduct good SMO, your rankings will climb. The days of just optimizing a website and getting rankings are far behind us. To get rankings your must optimize a website and then conduct Social Media Optimization to gain important one-way, relevant links.

I agree, if SMO is done right then SEO should not be a problem at all.

I wonder if some of the SEO companies should start doing SMO (:

For marketing it would give the client a lot more benefits and they would see both traffic and sales in days rather than months.

I wonder how much someone would charge to do something like that?

janeth
11-02-2006, 07:00 AM
Janeth said. .
If I was making a how to list #1 would be always have your heart in the right place.

I spent fifteen minutes looking at this snippet, trying to work out why this could not be correct. I am going blue in the face trying to find a hole in the logic behind this cheeky little sentence. I seem to be unable to.
I suspect this could be the 'Perfect' starting point. . . . . . . . . . for anything!

Hi Tubby,

Glad to see you've returned, I missed you.

janeth
11-02-2006, 07:02 AM
Now this will be a great thread!

And Janeth, thanks for bringing up this topic.
I added a category in my new forums: http://forums.seoworkers.com

Cool stuff! Lets go for it. :)

I'll check it out, I'm wanting to learn all I can about this.

It would include using sites like myspace and digg to bring traffic to your site.

I've done very little with either of those.

janeth
11-02-2006, 07:06 AM
Janeth how close is SMO (Social Media Optimization).
to what I term SUO (site user Optimisation)

I like the term SUO (:

You would have to use SUO along with SMO, otherwise the SMO would be a waste of time.

Tubby
11-02-2006, 07:52 AM
You would have to use SUO along with SMO, otherwise the SMO would be a waste of time.

I like that. but prefer

You would have to use SUO along with SMO, otherwise the SMO would be a WEO

(wasted Effort Optimization )

I never got far Janeth, I felt like a 10 year old leaving home, I walked around the block, and sneaked right back in through the back door....

janeth
11-02-2006, 07:56 AM
I never got far Janeth, I felt like a 10 year old leaving home, I walked around the block, and sneaked right back in through the back door....

I'm glad you didn't get to far away.

Tubby
11-02-2006, 09:23 AM
I took at look at myspace. well I would, it has a ton of users, there must be lessons to learn.
There were several things I noted, but nothing struck me as far as being able to use it to benefit my sites. But I only spent about 15 minutes on site.

I did try a myspace type experiment myself but I could not make it work. the programmer and designer ended up creating what they wanted, and I was unable to sway them my way, despite the fact that it was me - paying them . . So it was a poor experiment really. But I did learn a few things about who will use it, and why my attempt failed. I think it is still floating out there in cyberspace abandoned somewhere near motorater.com just waiting to expire.

How would we use 'myspace.com' to benefit our sites?

janeth
11-02-2006, 09:31 AM
I've also spent very little time on myspace although I did create a blog over there.

I'm going to start playing around a little more over there and see what I can do with the site.

If you became active on that site and got in with around 10 or 20 thousand friends I'd think it could open up a door full of possibilities.

Tubby
11-02-2006, 06:53 PM
yes
'If you became active on that site and got in with around 10 or 20 thousand friends I'd think it could open up a door full of possibilities.'

that's tricky, (you might have the image to carry that) I am aiming at making 10 0r 20 thousand friends. but It would be far better for me to target classic car enthusiasts. I could possibly target them better at my own site.

I might go back and find out if their is an active Classic car community there. My space has packed a lot of users into one space. . It is certainly a tempting area to 'target' SMO . . I will probably log on later today and look for my friend 'Janeth'

Looks like me and you will have one freind each to start with Janeth. the other 19,999 should be easy!

janeth
11-02-2006, 07:20 PM
I am aiming at making 10 0r 20 thousand friends. but It would be far better for me to target classic car enthusiasts. I could possibly target them better at my own site.

I would think the idea would be to find as many friends as you could find and then sort them into a smaller group of people interested in classic cars.



I might go back and find out if their is an active Classic car community there.

If there's not then start one (;



Looks like me and you will have one freind each to start with Janeth. the other 19,999 should be easy!

It's a good way to start, maybe we can get some of the other members here to become our friends as well. (=

Tubby
11-02-2006, 07:33 PM
Hmm. all I need to do is work out how to register, I do not think they optimised for colour blind users.

If they think I am going to get my 19 year old son to do it for me they are dreaming. .

I think they call that poor usability. I do not realy think that they do not know that a good percentage of the population will never be able to read the security code. .