I need help for my web site www.manolyahotel.com [Archive]

dburdon

10-16-2006, 10:51 AM

Manolya,

its an ok site with a Google PageRank of 4.

I've taken a quick look at your text. See http://www.manolyahotel.com/&hl=en&lr=&strip=1]Google (http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:[url) cache[/url].

1. You could clean up your spelling. I see a "norhern". Not good when you're targeting "Northern Cyprus hotel". Also "informations" should be "information".

2. You could be accused of keyword stuffing on the home page. Hotel appears 40 times. North Cyprus 32 times.

weslinda

10-16-2006, 11:07 AM

How long ago was the site designed? I see at the bottom of your pages a copyright of 2001. Updating the site with a fresh new look, using more current code would help liven up your rankings.

Also, there were a few issues with your site. When I clicked on the booking link from your site, the booking page pops up in a new window, but doesn't work.

If you are looking for quality results, you'll need to work on a fresher look, with current content, and links that work.

Links that don't work are a bad omen to Google and other search engines that are out there.

amar

10-17-2006, 01:39 AM

Your site is in Google 31 position penalty. You domain name is in 31 position. In addition the below keywords are in 31 position north cyprus hotel, northern cyprus hotels, Manolya Hotel, manolyahotel.

Similar post (http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=68198)

Thanks,
Amar
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manolya hotel

10-17-2006, 04:14 AM

thank you very much,
I notice some other web sites have same problem they also stuck for #31 at google search.
Do you think this is a kind of rejected by google if yes why?

Chris

10-17-2006, 09:01 AM

there has been talk of Google's 30 point penalty (http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/006412.html) replacing the sandbox. perhaps this is an example...

manolya hotel

10-17-2006, 11:01 AM

thank you chris,
do you know how can I fix the problem?

Chris

10-17-2006, 11:04 AM

give it time. if your site is new, you need to wait until Google considers it an authority site and/or your trustrank (http://www.weblinkseo.com/seo-guides/google-trustrank.jsp) improves.

weslinda

10-17-2006, 11:07 AM

Chris, it's a fairly old site. Copyright on it is from a few years back.

Manolya Hotel: I would look at doing a site update, and cleaning up the entire code. Giving the site a facelift to freshen up the look and focus on quality SEO will help your site substantially, both from an Search Engine and customer point of view.

Chris

10-17-2006, 11:12 AM

ok, the site's age isn't the issue then. another thing i've heard has to do with site-wide SEO changes can cause you to incur this 30 point penalty. have you executed a big changeover or anything like that manolya?

manolya hotel

10-17-2006, 11:38 AM

as Westlinda said site is not new, (2001), and for many years we was #1 at google and yahoo. we still #1 at yahoo but, app. 1 year ago site lost from Google and then it is come back but not better then #31 positon. somting must be wrong, we add new text as Westlinda said. and I will check what will happen next update. as you said Chris I think problem is #31 penalty problem but why?

dburdon

10-17-2006, 12:00 PM

Manolya,

see note above regarding repetition of Hotel, etc.

manolya hotel

10-18-2006, 09:00 AM

thank you dburbon,
I will check this .

eternity

10-19-2006, 11:06 AM

Manolya hotel,

You have very good link poularity. Redoing the SEO for your
title and body text might help in improving your situation.

Two very obvious changes which could be made:

1) Reword your title tag so that it sounds more meaningful,
without removing the keyword from it.

2) The first sentences in the second and third paragraphs
of your body text starting with 'North Cyprus Hotel'
could be reworded to make them more meaningful
so that it doesn't look like keyword stuffing.

hope this helps.

manolya hotel

10-20-2006, 03:49 AM

Thank you eternity,
I will try this.
I hope it will be helpfull...
I wonder if I have any penalty by google? or if it is just I need to do more...

Webnauts

10-20-2006, 11:08 AM

Manolya, you site pages are in the supplemental results for one of these reasons:

1. Duplicated Content.
2. Pages with no Content.
3. Orphaned web pages. Pages that no one links to, including yourself.
4. Error pages.
5. Pages with Canonicalization problems.
6. Suspicious pages for spamming, as spamming your meta tags, as linking to bad neighborhoods, etc.

Did I forget something? If yes, someone can add it here.

That means that at the next Google index re-building, you site might be banned.

On the fly I checked you site, and I found that you are stuffing your keywords meta tags, with irrelevant to your page content keywords. Take care of that!

And by the way: Do you use the Google Site Map services, for canonicalization issues like choosing which URL must be index?

http://manolyahotel.com/ or http://www.manolyahotel.com/

If not, you have a problem there too. But you can also fix that problem, for example editing a piece of code in your .htaccess file.

And you also have immediate keyword repeats in your keywords meta tags.

WOW, you have a lot of work to do, as you must correct all pages of your site. :)

manolya hotel

10-21-2006, 04:42 AM

thank you Webnuts,
I will start to fix problems today,Please let me know if you find somting else

Webnauts

10-22-2006, 10:26 AM

You are always welcome. :)

Surendran

10-24-2006, 11:15 AM

Also try your targetted keywords to be placed in the anchor text of the links. I believe internal linking would do better as you are going to redo your internal pages. Have a Sitemap. I would also suggest you to have an index of tpoics in your homepage what briefly explains each of your sub-pages and link them to the corresponding sub-page. If you are redoing your sub-pages, you may tru this which would have a positive impact.

incrediblehelp

11-01-2006, 12:28 PM

So has this penalty been verified by anyone yet? Found a nice, older thread on it at Threadwatch.org.

Google Says "No Ranking Soup for You" (http://www.threadwatch.org/node/9302)

Webnauts

03-17-2007, 08:21 PM

Manolya Hotel: I would look at doing a site update, and cleaning up the entire code. Giving the site a facelift to freshen up the look and focus on quality SEO will help your site substantially, both from an Search Engine and customer point of view.
Me and my team did all that. Any further suggestions?

Webnauts

03-18-2007, 12:40 AM

So has this penalty been verified by anyone yet?
I confirm that site was penalized. I am still trying to recover the damage.

incrediblehelp

03-18-2007, 01:02 AM

I confirm that site was penalized.

From who Google? Just curious

Can you explain the problem again. I have not heard of this issue since last year.

Webnauts

03-18-2007, 04:37 PM

I confirm that site was penalized.

From who Google? Just curious

Can you explain the problem again. I have not heard of this issue since last year.

As we both know, the -30 filter is a penalty that Google applies to web sites that use spammy SEO techniques. If Google applies the penalty to a web site, the rankings of that site are downgraded by 30 positions.

Our client reported that he had top rankings on Google and now he cannot get beyond position 31 in Google. He had #31 rankings for the keyword which appeared #1, and other of their keywords moved much further on Google accordingly.

I examined the keywords previous position then the on e they went to, and it was an obvious -30 penalty.

The client pages did not have all over unique titles, description and keywords meta tags. And the description and keywords tags were not relevant to the pages content.

His title tags were not marked-up properly. He had something like <title=......></title>

Site was linking to some bad neighborhoods sites. Found some site that they were banned.

Almost all pages if not all (I cannot remember exactly) were in the supplemental results, including the homepage, even if he had PR and quality IBLs.

Markup and semantical structure was a disaster,

Many duplicated pages, and many with almost no content (or too less).

That is all I can remember so far.

I tried to fix the issues on the old site where possible temporally, so things would not get worse until the redesign and SEO was done.

incrediblehelp

03-18-2007, 04:42 PM

Webnauts

03-18-2007, 04:54 PM

The client pages did not have all over unique titles, description and keywords meta tags. And the description and keywords tags were not relevant to the pages content.

His title tags were not marked-up properly. He had something like <title=......></title>

Site was linking to some bad neighborhoods sites. Found some site that they were banned.

Those these items are all fixed now and just waiting fro re-entry I assume?

Thanks God the site was not banned. The rankings are slowly recovering, but Google recently messed up, since almost all supplemental pages were gone, and suddenly appeared again.

So I uploaded a few days ago the old pages which appeared in the index as supplemental, and I did the following:

1. I added to those old pages the noindex meta tag.
2. I excluded the indexing of those pages in the robots.txt
3. I submitted again the sitemap with the new site pages again.

I have already done the 301 redirects when we launched the site for all old pages, but without any success. And those redirects are obviously still there.

But now I am sure they will disappear when the supplemental googlebot will come again. I am aware it can take some weeks.

I advised the client that he must consider assigning us links building to get things go faster and improve rankings, but at the moment they do not have the budget for that.

Therefore, I advised to submit the site to web directories, but no more than 40 per month.

Jaan, any further options I might have missed?

incrediblehelp

03-18-2007, 04:59 PM

Not sure if you want to go back and forth from old to new to old pages. Pick one version, 301 redirect the old to the new (optional) and delete the old ones. Let those changes sink in for a while (maybe even a few months).

You need to get some solid feedback from Google on if your changes are good and correct. Time will tell.

Also your right even a few authoritative links can help get this domains kicked started.

Webnauts

03-18-2007, 05:05 PM

I would like to add here, that the main targeted keyphrases are ranking:

north cyprus hotel Google #36 - Yahoo #2 and #14 - MSN #1

northern cyprus hotel Google #41 - Yahoo #2 and #4 - MSN #4 and #5

hotel north cyprus Google #30 - Yahoo #1 and #20 - MSN #5

cyprus hotel Google #89 - Yahoo #9 and #20 - MSN #9

Some days ago, the second keyword was #29. So I assume that the penalty is no more active.

Webnauts

03-18-2007, 05:07 PM

Not sure if you want to go back and forth from old to new to old pages. Pick one version, 301 redirect the old to the new (optional) and delete the old ones. Let those changes sink in for a while (maybe even a few months).

Haha!!! That is what I did at the first beginning, but then everything screwed up!!!!

Got it now?

incrediblehelp

03-18-2007, 05:09 PM

Well sort of hard for me to know without "getting my hands dirty".

Webnauts

03-18-2007, 05:34 PM

Well sort of hard for me to know without "getting my hands dirty".
Oh yes brother. All that stuff is very filthy. :)

Webnauts

03-26-2007, 02:41 AM

I just checked the site. The supplemental pages disappeared!

Looks like the method I mentioned above works well... :)

Just FYI.

sis651

03-27-2007, 09:39 AM

Therefore, I advised to submit the site to web directories, but no more than 40 per month.
Is it submitting to less than 40 directories or getting less than 40 links a month?
Will it be a real problem if it is more than 40?
Also it seems that inner page links (#faq..) in the FAQ page don't work in my browser.When I click they bring me to home instead of the related subject in the page.Maybe this is a problem with my old IE browser but you should control this.

Webnauts

03-27-2007, 12:57 PM

Is it submitting to less than 40 directories or getting less than 40 links a month?
Will it be a real problem if it is more than 40?
There are a lot of opinion around about aggressive linking strategies. From my experience, I suggest not to go build 40 links per month, to be on the safe side.

Also it seems that inner page links (#faq..) in the FAQ page don't work in my browser.When I click they bring me to home instead of the related subject in the page.Maybe this is a problem with my old IE browser but you should control this.
First of all the FAQ page is here: http://www.manolyahotel.com/frequently-asked-questions.html

Which URL did you typed or found? And which browser are you using?

sis651

03-27-2007, 01:12 PM

I tried it in IE 6 on a computer with an old OS.But now I'm trying it with IE 7 and still there is a problem.But when I write the url as http://www.manolyahotel.com/frequently-asked-questions.html#faq01 it works.When I click the link it opens http://www.manolyahotel.com/#faq01

Webnauts

03-27-2007, 01:21 PM

When I click the link it opens http://www.manolyahotel.com/#faq01
This page does not exist. Do you expect to get an error page?

sis651

03-27-2007, 01:42 PM

Yes I expect.But I don't see any error page.Here is what I see after clicking a link:URL=http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adszfg9.jpg]http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7606/adszfg9.th.jpg[/URL]
Isn't there problem in your side?I don't know.
Now I should go.

Webnauts

03-27-2007, 02:42 PM

The url you mentioned above existed on the old web site, and it fell into the supplemental results.

So we created a redirect of that page to the index.html page. We did not have another choice.

If you really think it should go to an error page, my client should decide that and let me know, and that will be done in a second. But then we have no more responsibility about the SE results. Is this clear enough now?

And to make something clear, manolya_hotel asked for help here to improve his rankings, without a proposed from us linking strategy. Do you mean that the issue you are talking about hinders the improvement of his rankings? I hope you are kidding...

sis651

03-28-2007, 07:11 AM

Webnauts

03-29-2007, 12:28 AM

You're right.I don't want to hinder the SE results.However, although it is SE friendly in this type, it is not user friendly.Users click the link to go to that subject in the page but it goes to homepage.

I agree that you are right. But our client can confirm that everything was working, and the web site suddenly had PHP warnings, even and we have not touched the site for over a week.

After all we found out that the provider was messing around on the server, without informing his client.

We have fixed about an hour ago all issues we found though. You might would be kind to have a look and tell us if something is still wrong.

Be aware that we have delivered the project, and we are not hired as webmasters by our client. We still take care though, even we do not get paid for that. Just to make some things clear here.

Also would be very nice if you would tell us if the site is accessible, user and search engine friendly or not.

Thanks! :)

sis651

03-29-2007, 07:42 AM

Ok.Now the FAQ page works normal.I know you're not webmaster of it but as the links didn't work normally I thought that it can disturb G so wrote it here.I didn't know the problem with php.Now everything seems to work perfect :)

manolya hotel

04-18-2007, 08:27 AM

thank you all

Webnauts

04-22-2007, 12:15 PM

Please have a look again what I have done so far, to get rid of the -30 penalty and the supplemental results.

1. I added this meta tag <META name="robots" content="noindex,noarchive"> on every old page.
2. I added this meta tag <META HTTP-EQUIV="CACHE-CONTROL" CONTENT="no-Store"> on every old page.
3. I added this .php header script on every old page:
<?php
header("Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate"); // HTTP/1.1
header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT"); // Date in the past
?>
4. I created 301 redirects of the old pages to the new ones.
5. I blocked the indexing of the old pages in the robots.txt
6. I submitted again the sitemap with the new site pages again.

The above points 2 and 3 have been added today, as the last options I could think about.

Our client asked us if we should do a re-inclusion request, but I could not see the reason why should we do so, as the site is still in the Google index.

Do you have any further suggestions?

Sure with the above new updates we must wait and see, but still I hope to hear some more tips, as all this is driving me totally crazy.

Thanks,

John

Webnauts

04-22-2007, 12:27 PM

Some additional info.

The rankings of today in the first 30 for Yahoo and MSN:

Yahoo
hotel in northern cyprus # 1
hotel north cyprus #1
manolya #1
hotel cyprus #2
north cyprus hotel #2
northern cyprus hotel #2
north cyprus hotels #6
cyprus hotel #8
northern cyprus #16

MSN
hotel in northern cyprus #1
manolya #1
hotel cyprus #2
hotel north cyprus #2
northern cyprus hotel #2
north cyprus hotel #5
cyprus hotel #7
northern cyprus #18
north cyprus hotels #29

Julie Larson

04-23-2007, 11:30 PM

I would suggest you use www.sitereportcard.com or a similar site to rate your site 1-10 for SEO optimization - it's free and you can even check on code errors that might help improve your rankings. DON'T ignore the fact that the sites which supplanted you in higher rankings might just be working harder than you are! - if you check THEM out on www.sitereportcard.com and click on the number in the "site popularity" box, it will give you the natural links to those sites as listed by Google - follow those listings to their source and make sure that you have them link to you. Also, one of the easiest ways to build your rankings is by increasing links referring to you by submitting "articles" to e-zines and making sure you are included on relevant directories - then aggressively following up on those links. girlfriday [Edited by Mod Webnauts: Self promotion is not allowed here at WPW]

Webnauts

04-23-2007, 11:50 PM

I would suggest you use www.sitereportcard.com or a similar site to rate your site 1-10 for SEO optimization - it's free and you can even check on code errors that might help improve your rankings. DON'T ignore the fact that the sites which supplanted you in higher rankings might just be working harder than you are! - if you check THEM out on www.sitereportcard.com and click on the number in the "site popularity" box, it will give you the natural links to those sites as listed by Google - follow those listings to their source and make sure that you have them link to you.
I am afraid that all this does not help the problems we are talking about. Do you still think so?
Check this: http://www.sitereportcard.com/data/82df210a3d8a5680088baa1a779afd07_ma.php?PHPSESSID= bf1ae47c526f584c2c88d88874128695

sis651

05-01-2007, 11:44 AM

Webnauts

05-01-2007, 02:28 PM

Site is again in 1 for hotel north cyprus and hotel northern cyprus http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-40%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=hotel+north+cyprus&btnG=Search&meta
This happened after requesting re-inclusion from Google.However I think at first time this will be for a short time.I think Google does this to determine whether it is good or not to position at first.After a time it can go down to second or third result or more.I hope keeps its place in the first page.
First of all, we applied for the re-inclusion, after we did a lot of work to get things so far that it will go like it went. Killing old cached pages, supplemental results, etc.

The site will have high rankings without any doubts!!!

Did you see already the results with Yahoo and MSN already? And those results since a while now?

If you think we did not do good enough so far, let us know what you can do better than us please.

We would love to learn from you... ;)

Thanks. :)

sis651

05-02-2007, 07:25 AM

Webnauts

05-02-2007, 08:29 PM

Ooops.I haven't said you didn't do well, if I could do better I wouldn't have brought Mehmet here.I just think this can be sth. like a test period to determine whether it'll worth to keep this site in first or not before really positioning it first.I'm sure it'll be still at first.You did the seo well.I know the positions in Y and Live too.I just couldn't believe it is done so easily by re-inclusion.Therefore I think Google maybe trying it in first place to see whether visitors'll like it or not.
Thanks.
Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding sis651. And by the way, Google is evaluating now and not later, and within the next days the deserved position will be settled. Mehmet can see the happenings in his keyword ranking tool account at digitalpoint. :)

manolya hotel

05-11-2007, 07:04 AM

I would like to say big thank you to webnauts(John) who find all the problems with the site and fix all the problems. now we don't have 30 penalty any more. and this is totaly Webnauts success. Peoples who have same problem I am very happy to give them some ideas and I am sure Webnauts can help them for fix they problems.

also I would like to say thank you everybody who give us advices with this forum

Webnauts

05-19-2007, 10:46 AM

Thank you Mehmet for the kind words. And by the way I would like to share with the others in this thread, that you rankings since some weeks improved dramatically, and having a look at your rankings today, these where the resuilts:

hotel north cyprus........ Google #1... Yahoo #1+20 ... MSN #1
north cyprus hotel........ Google #4... Yahoo #2+11 ... MSN #5
northern cyprus hotel..... Google #4... Yahoo #2+4 .... MSN #1+2
north cyprus hotels....... Google #7... Yahoo #6 ........ MSN #33
hotel in northern cyprus.. Google #10.. Yahoo #1+10 .. MSN #1+2

I am sure better results for other keywords/keyphrases are coming. It is just a matter of time. :)

Good luck buddy.