PR of 4 (?) but google shows ZERO links

[cctech]

Can one of you experts explain that to me? I check the PR (http://www.checkpagerank.com) and it shows a 4 (sometimes).

I go to google, link:crystalcoasttech.com and it shows no links.

I go to yahoo, same thing.

MSN, however, shows 744

Am I doing something wrong? Am I being penalized?

Any help is really appreciated.

[flanok]

Google does not show all its links.

I have 1700 links in MSN but only 49 show in Google.

It does know how many you have or you would not have a PR of 4.

As for Yahoo it does seem unusual if you are listed on Yahoo and have been for a while. However, if it is a relativly new site, you will find that Yahoo is slower than the rest.

Mark

[cctech]

thanks flanok,

it seems that google should at least show SOME links for my site. we show up in google when performing a search, etc. doesn't that seem odd?

we have ben listed in yahoo since approx. december '05. any other thoughts?

thanks

[flanok]

OK, First point, there are others on this forum more experienced than I am, so you will need a second opinion.

You are listed as http://crystalcoasttech.com rather than http://www.crystalcoasttech.com on Yahoo. Why did you do this? Which one does your backlinks link to? If they are to www. then that will explain no baclinks in Yahoo.
You are listed as www, on Google.

I think you are having a problem being spydered as Google is not recognising your internal pages either.

Your title appears very long, difficult for search engines to catorise.

You description tag may also be too long. (I say maybe.)It covers too many subjects.
I had a problem being spydered by yahoo when my description tag had too few words.

Your keyword meta tags. You have not separated your words with a space after the coma. It may be possible that search engines just see this as a very long word.

If it can't spyder your site easily it may just not bother.

[cctech]

i have received similar observations from others regarding my site. we are going to do a 301 redirect (i have a question about this posted in another topic) as soon as we get some guidance.

i am not sure where the www. version came from. i think that while we were submitting the site, we typed in BOTH forms of the url and so, here we are.

your point about the space after the comma is new. we were not aware that there was a standard. we have seen some sites with a comma and a space, some with just a comma and no space and some with just a space and no comma. perhaps someone else can expound on the proper method?

thanks again for your help with this so far!

[koha]

I go to google,link:crystalcoasttech.com and it shows no links.

Try using
@:yourdomain
insted of
link:yourdomain
You will be amazed.
I don't however know what this means maybe some of the experts can elaborate.

http://brassmein.com
http://comsee.net
http://myselma.net

[cctech]

The results are somewhat different when using your suggestion. I too would like to know why that is.

[cbp]

@:yourdomain and link:yourdomain are different as you are searching for different things.

CBP

[cctech]

cbp,

can you elaborate on flanok's last post? are those observations correct?

also, do you know why there would be such a large discrepancy between link: in MSN VSS link: in yahoo and google?

thanks

[cbp]

A link: search in Google, Yahoo and MSN return the link sample that those search engine choose to display. Google choose to display a small random sample of the links they know about and use. MSN and Yahoo choose to show most of the links they know about and use.

A @:domain is NOT a search for backlinks. It is a search for pages that contant the url - while most will probably be links, it will also return pages in which the URL is mention, but not linked.

CBP

[cbp]

PR of 4 (?) but google shows ZERO linksIts is impossible to get PR without links - all you are seeing is Google small random sample of that page returning no links. That has no relationship to what Google know about and use. They must know about some, otherwise the site would not be pr4.

CBP

[SemAdvance]

First of all searching for anything other than the answer to search queries on search engines is an act of futility.

Google in particular only updates Page Rank and link counts every 90 days or so.

Internally the search engines update PR and link counts daily and maybe even hourly for sites like CNN etc.

But what happens internally and what you see externally are usually not the same.

Also Google is still in the midst of Big Daddy upgrade and so what you see is not what is reality.

PS.... @ is not a valid "Advanced Operator" for search query work... especially considering it is used in billions of emails.

That is irresponsible posting .

Hope this helps

[chrisJumbo]

I am also very interested in the subject of space vs. no space in key words.

I did recently adjust the length of my titles (12 words or less) and descriptions (25 words or less). I made to spot #10 on yahoo, but didn't keep it.

On we push.

[flanok]

Going back to the meta tags bit.
I made my decisions on how to write my meta tags by using "View source" on the top 10 results in google for my search term and viewing how the top performers wrote meta tags.

I found 9 out of 10 had a space after the comma and 1 actually had no commas at all but just word then space.

I also noted the length of title words and how specific the desciption was.

To clarify this for yourself, why not "view source" the top 10 results for your chosen keyword.

If it working for them, it should be right for you.

However, if there are results with word comma word, then you know you can leave them as they are.

Mark

[imvain2]

Doing a search for @:domain has the same results as just doing a search for "domain". I'm sure you can leave out the quotes, but I use the google toolbar and if I don't type in the quotes, the toolbar will take me to the domain name.

As for the title tag, I try to keep it no more then 65 characters, since thats the number of characters google shows.

I know this has been posted over and over again, but I have stopped using the keyword meta tag all together. For any of the worth while search engines, I don't see any of them using the keyword meta tag. I have built many websites that rank in the top of yahoo, msn and even google for very competitive keywords with the keyword meta tag being completely non existent.

[Jabber_uk]

What I have found interesting (not just on the site mentioned above) is the difference between results when removing/adding the http bit.

For instance:
site:http://crystalcoasttech.com shows 14 pages listed on the site

Whereas:
site:www.crystalcoasttech.com shows just 1

Is this relevant?

[flanok]

Doing a search for @:domain has the same results as just doing a search for "domain". I'm sure you can leave out the quotes, but I use the google toolbar and if I don't type in the quotes, the toolbar will take me to the domain name.

As for the title tag, I try to keep it no more then 65 characters, since thats the number of characters google shows.

I know this has been posted over and over again, but I have stopped using the keyword meta tag all together. For any of the worth while search engines, I don't see any of them using the keyword meta tag. I have built many websites that rank in the top of yahoo, msn and even google for very competitive keywords with the keyword meta tag being completely non existent.

I have questions based on that meta tag point.

Could it be true that even though meta tags are not used to rank a site, they still could hinder the spyders work if not correct?
Could an over repeated meta keyword still be deemed as spam even though it is not used to rank?

Can one less meta tag keyword, be one more keyword allowed in your body text before it becomes spam?

[rocky1]

No disrespect inteded, but in the opposite respect I elect to include Keywords, rather than leave it up to the search engines to determine them for me. I have seen cases where I was listed on Google for keywords that were not included on page, only in keywords, so although they may not use them to rank you, they do look at them.

By the same respect, I've had pages listed and ranked fairly well, with no meta tags what so ever, but I won't leave them all out, for the same reasons. I don't want to leave it up to the search engines to determine my keywords, my description, or my title. Bottom line is, if you're going to optimize a page properly for a target audience, you have to do keyword research and target popular keywords/keyword phrases, so it really doesn't take much to include them. And, no search engine penalizes you for using keywords, unless you are keyword spamming.


You can also do - : your domain - leaving any specifics out prior to the colon, and that will generally produce the greatest number of results on Google, it has a tendency to return internal as well as external links, and multiple IBLs on other sites as well, whereas other options commonly feed you only what you specified, and only one link from sites multiple IBLs.

You might also want to download Backlink Analyzer to check them, it's a freebie found here on Aaron Wall's site... http://tools.seobook.com/backlink-analyzer/

Works great, very user friendly, returns some interesting results at times.

[imvain2]

What I have found interesting (not just on the site mentioned above) is the difference between results when removing/adding the http bit.

For instance:
site:http://crystalcoasttech.com shows 14 pages listed on the site

Whereas:
site:www.crystalcoasttech.com shows just 1

Is this relevant?

Actually, its the lack of www that is making difference.

[dindorp]

- i found that searching on google for the domain name without the .com or .net or whatever, is a pretty reliable method . . .
- ie.: 'crystalcoasttech'

[rocky1]

Personally, I elect to include Keywords, rather than leave it up to the search engines to determine them for me. I have seen cases where I was listed on Google for keywords that were not included on page, only in keywords, so although they may not use them to rank you, they do look at them.

By the same respect, I've had pages listed and ranked fairly well, with no meta tags what so ever, but I won't leave them all out, for the same reasons. I don't want to leave it up to the search engines to determine my keywords, my description, or my title. Bottom line is, if you're going to optimize a page properly for a target audience, you have to do keyword research and target popular keywords/keyword phrases, so it really doesn't take much to include them. And, no search engine penalizes you for using keywords, unless you are keyword spamming.


You can also do - : your domain - leaving any specifics out prior to the colon, and that will generally produce the greatest number of results on Google, it has a tendency to return internal as well as external links, and multiple IBLs on other sites as well, whereas other options commonly feed you only what you specified, and only one link from sites multiple IBLs.

You might also want to download Backlink Analyzer to check them, it's a freebie found here on Aaron Wall's site... http://tools.seobook.com/backlink-analyzer/

Works great, very user friendly, returns some interesting results at times.

Likewise, have to agree with Flanok on the http:// http://www. issue above, these are seen as 2 separate URLS in the search engines' eyes. You're probably dividing you link count amongst the two. And, MSN is very likely inlcuding page count on the site whereas Google doesn't include that on link count anymore.

[imvain2]

Flanok,

In all honesty, I don't know. There are many people here much smarter then me.

However, your statement about the meta keyword tag not helping but maybe hindering seems logical. As many spammers try to use every method new and old to gain top rankings.

IMHO, I say its better to be safe than sorry. So instead of filling the keyword tag up, I would just create unique content based on those keywords.



Doing a search for @:domain has the same results as just doing a search for "domain". I'm sure you can leave out the quotes, but I use the google toolbar and if I don't type in the quotes, the toolbar will take me to the domain name.

As for the title tag, I try to keep it no more then 65 characters, since thats the number of characters google shows.

I know this has been posted over and over again, but I have stopped using the keyword meta tag all together. For any of the worth while search engines, I don't see any of them using the keyword meta tag. I have built many websites that rank in the top of yahoo, msn and even google for very competitive keywords with the keyword meta tag being completely non existent.

I have questions based on that meta tag point.

Could it be true that even though meta tags are not used to rank a site, they still could hinder the spyders work if not correct?
Could an over repeated meta keyword still be deemed as spam even though it is not used to rank?

Can one less meta tag keyword, be one more keyword allowed in your body text before it becomes spam?

[SemAdvance]

Doing a search for @:domain has the same results as just doing a search for "domain". I'm sure you can leave out the quotes, but I use the google toolbar and if I don't type in the quotes, the toolbar will take me to the domain name.

As for the title tag, I try to keep it no more then 65 characters, since thats the number of characters google shows.

I know this has been posted over and over again, but I have stopped using the keyword meta tag all together. For any of the worth while search engines, I don't see any of them using the keyword meta tag. I have built many websites that rank in the top of yahoo, msn and even google for very competitive keywords with the keyword meta tag being completely non existent.

Actually.... Yahoo uses the meta keyword tag to validate against the page content for spam, in other words if the keyword is in the meta tag, it should be used in the page content.

[SemAdvance]

What I have found interesting (not just on the site mentioned above) is the difference between results when removing/adding the http bit.

For instance:
site:http://crystalcoasttech.com shows 14 pages listed on the site

Whereas:
site:www.crystalcoasttech.com shows just 1

Is this relevant?

Actually, its the lack of www that is making difference.


Actually, you both are sort of right.

There are actually three sets of URLs that are recognized as links, and Google PageRank can be split amongst all three.... thereby diluting the total Google PageRank your site would receive if all links pointed to the absolute URL.

Here is how to resolve this issue for those on Unix webservers.

This would be done via .htaccess (Ask your host)

RewriteEngine on

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.mygreatwebsite\.com [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^$
RewriteRule ^(.*) http://www.mygreatwebsite.com/$1 [L,R=301]

Again if you don't know how to edit the .htaccess file ask a professional, IT person, Hosting Company.

[scanmonkey]

I found 9 out of 10 had a space after the comma and 1 actually had no commas at all but just word then space.

I also noted the length of title words and how specific the desciption was.

To clarify this for yourself, why not "view source" the top 10 results for your chosen keyword.

If it working for them, it should be right for you.

Mark

If you are new to the game, the #1 thing you have to do is follow the monkey see monkey do rule

[scanmonkey]

do a 301 re-direct to solve the www and non-www url issue.
Check using the header tool below to verify that you have done it correctly.
http://www.seoconsultants.com/tools/headers.asp

One possible explanation for lack of backlink results in google is that your site is new and google has not done a backlink update recently.

But showing only 0 backlinks in yahoo when msn shows 741 is real fishy and deserves an explanation.

[greeneagle]

IMO - You may want to improve your "signal vs. noise" (content vs. code) ratio.

I believe the SEs like "Fast" quite a bit.

I will probably draw some potshots, but save that version and build a stripped down model with:

No Flash

More Content

Table Nesting - 2 Tables Deep max

Less "whitespace"

Drop the scrolling news - Go static if you think it adds anything

Use CSS for sitewide control and primary Nav

Drop bottom nav, CSS is text link/SE compatable when done right

Eliminate any argument for keyword stuffing at the bottom of the page, even if you intend to build associated pages and haven't yet

Ken

[freehits]

I think for the most part I agree with Eagle. You have alot of "non content in your html that doesnt need to be." If I remove My stylesheet it is my goal that the page is like a page out of a novel, white with left to right black text, or to say absolutely nothing but text and 1-2 pictures without the external styling.
This lets me know my code is uncluttered.

You have a stylesheet yet you body image, and HR styles are in the page itself amongst other elements that could be included in the external sheet instead.

This coupled with alot of JS at the top of the page means I scroll 40% down your code before I hit any on page text.

I noticde you do rank #1 for
"Web Design House Plans Web Site Design Drafting North Carolina near Swansboro Jacksonville Morehead City Emerald Isle Greenville Wilmington"

{Or you used to rank #1 until I published that term here in WPW}

And since you probally dont want to, Id say that title is a bit too long, and without checking Id wager a title like that will pretty much guarentee you nowhere in Yahoo down the road since they like laser targeted "aligned" pages I believe. As in one/two terms down the page elements. 2 years ago the giant title worked there.

i also agree with eagle that that feed is complete dead weight on your homepage, you visitors dont want to read industry news, rather are stopping in for your keywords in particular. I put your own article feed there with items you write coming from a database or rss. That adds up to more content about you and by you and keeps your site growing and saturating.

All just my 02

>>>On second reading of Eagles Post, just do what he recommends, he covers pretty much all aspects you should address. Id keep the bottom nav but dont use it to repeat any links, use it for just your sitemap, contact and link each page to itself for the keyword it is targeting.

[SemAdvance]

You guys are giving great design / seo tactics to improve his rankings but the question is "why he has no link count"

That certainly has little to do with CSS

;->

Peace

[ridesign]

Hi,
I get backlinks for your site,
check them out on my site, you don't have many but the few probably helped to give a pr 4.

Back link chcker: http://www.newdesignworld.com/browse-backlink-checker-38-1.html

hope that helps

thanks

EDIT: just re-reading the first message, i take it you mean there are no links from your site?

I can see 32: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:crystalcoasttech.com

thanks

[thepcman]

I had a new site with no links to it except 1 from my old PR6 site's homepage and the new site get a PR of 4.
So chew on that...