Creating Link Bait On Your Web Site

[bhartzer]

I first heard of the term “link bait” from Aaron Wall (http://www.seobook.com) at SEO Book in this post (http://www.seobook.com/archives/001113.shtml) when he mentioned it back in a post on his SEO blog back in August of 2005. He says in his post that if “you are in a field that can't build links naturally create linkbait”. What really is link bait? It’s something on your web site that causes someone to link to you. Aaron gives some examples in his post, but a classic example of link bait would be the Subservient Chicken web site by Burger King. So many people ended up talking about that web site that they linked to it—it currently enjoys about 29,300 links according to Yahoo!, and ranks number one on Google for the word chicken. By creating something on your web site that’s funny, controversial, informative, or creative, it will gain natural links—which is the key to top search engine rankings.

You don’t have to be a big brand or have a lot of money to create link bait. Many people have created link bait on purpose—and many have created link bait without even knowing it. It doesn’t have to cost that much to create something that people will link to. For example, it’s sometimes difficult—if not impossible—to get your competitors to link to you. But, consider this—take, for example, the case of Andrew. He works for a high tech company with a lot of competition. Andrew recently took his digital camera to an industry convention where he took photos of many of the attendees, the booths, and some of the after-hours events. He posted the photos on his web site after the convention, sent out a few emails to his colleagues and other industry insiders he met at the convention. Before he knew it, most of Andrew’s competitors were linking to his web site and the photos he took.

One way to create link bait is to get ranked well for phrases that will become popular in the future. As I sit here writing this article, the term “link bait” might be a good target if you’re in the search engine marketing industry. By searching Google for the following: allintitle:"link bait" you can determine about how many web pages on the internet are targeting that search phrase. Right now, as I write this, Google returns 25 results. Since that’s not very many, writing content about link bait would be a good thing for your web site. By informing the search engine marketing industry about link bait—and because the term is new, there’s a chance that others will search for it as it becomes a more popular phrase. As that phrase becomes more popular, others will need something to link to—and by ranking well for that phrase there’s a good chance that your web page about link bait will get links from other web sites. This is a phenomenon that I’ve been following since 1996 when I created my first “link bait” type of web site. If you’re a search term innovator, people will link to you—and links from other web sites mean better search engine rankings.

One of my ‘pet projects’ over the years (since I started doing search engine optimization in 1996) has been to follow the news—and if there’s a topic that I am passionate about I usually create a web page or a web site about the subject within minutes of the ‘breaking news’. In the cases where I have a web site about a particular topic and there’s breaking news about that subject, I immediately post it on my web site. Since I’m one of the first to have information about that subject, I end up ranking well fairly quickly—sometimes within 24 hours. Other people follow suit and post information on their web sites about that topic—but since my site is already ranking well for that search phrase, they end up linking to me. What they don’t realize is that they’ve fallen for my “link bait” which catches them—they’re actually helping me by linking to me and I end up ranking well in the search engines for a very long time, sometimes even many years. How can you take advantage of this? If there’s news in your industry, be the first to post it on your web site (or add a new page to your site). Be the first to get it to show up in the search engines and other people will link to it naturally.

Create an entirely new web site on a new topic. The new site could be funny, controversial, or just informative. Take, for example, Paul English’s IVR Cheat Sheet (http://paulenglish.com/ivr/) that he recently created. Mr. English is now enjoying thousands of links to his web site because he created a web page that’s helpful to all of us. Not only that, because of his cheat sheet that he’s posted on his site, companies are now seeing a backlash according to an article posted on Yahoo! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20060118/tc_nf/40949). “Companies that rely on automated call centers have been weathering a consumer backlash in recent weeks…” reports the article. I don’t have access to the number of visits to Mr. English’s web site, but I would suspect that he’s getting a lot of traffic based on all the high-quality links that he has—and I would suspect that he hasn’t requested any of them.

Although the term “link bait” is fairly new, the entire concept of link bait has been around as long as the internet itself. People have been creating controversial, funny, and informative web sites and web site content that others naturally link to. And with the ever-increasing popularity of blogs nowadays, the bloggers need something to link to and talk about—why not create some link bait on your web site so it too, can enjoy better search engine rankings—just reel them in.

[Deliguy]

Great post bhartzer, you really get an A+ on that one.
Would it be ok if I post this article on bluehatseo.com and of course give you credit and a link to your website?

[bhartzer]

Sure--go for it.

[bhartzer]

Does anyone have examples of "link bait" that they would like to share with us?


(Please don't use this as an opportunity to spam promote your own site. But if you truly have an example where you've benefited from link bait you've created, feel free to show us an example.)

[vwebworld]

Just a side comment....

"Andrew" took photos and posted them on the web.
I assume he obtained permission for every
recognizable person in each photo BEFORE he
"published" the photos.

Otherwise he may be getting hits from lawyers.

~Roland

[bhartzer]

You're absolutely right, vwebworld. But, I'm assuming he did get permission--and from what I understand all the people whose photos were taken knew that they'd have their picture on the internet. As I recall, that's one way he was able to get them to know about his site--he told them about it when he took the photos.

[chandrika]

I wondered whether when a site links to a graphic on your site you get any link credit, because I have a picture gallery and notice in my stats that people are showing some of the pictures of hairstyles on their blogs and things and just linking directly to the picture rather than uploading it to their own webspace. I was wondering whether I would get link credit for that?

[bhartzer]

I was wondering whether I would get link credit for that?
No, you don't get credit for those links. So, you need to post those photos on your web pages and don't let people hotlink to your photos.

[daustin]

bhartzer, I have the same issue as chandrika. How to you deter 'hot linking'? By the way great paper on 'link bate'. DA

[Deliguy]

Does anyone have examples of "link bait" that they would like to share with us?

I have a great one
SaveToby.com
According to Yahoo he has 11,300 links, and all he did was threaten to eat a rabbit.

[ADAM Web Design]

Man, I can't believe you guys missed the single greatest link bait of all time...

SUPER GREG!

For those who don't remember The Super One, Super Greg was "de famous, fabulous DJ" about 6 years ago that gained an immense amount of popularity when he put The Official Super Greg Website (http://zmax.org/supergreg/sgdotcom/index.htm) up on supergreg.com (no longer there...this is a mirror).

Anyway, as you can see from the website, The Super One wasn't exactly a web design genius. In fact, he was pretty lousy at it (even by 2K standards). His DJing was even more pathetic (watch the vids and you'll see what I'm talking about.)

Buuuuuuuut...the world latched onto it. Why? Because Super Greg was a complete and unfettered loser. This guy seemingly didn't have a clue, and we all wanted to make fun and share it.

And here's the tricky part:

Super Greg was actually a marketing concept created by two Buddy Lee Jeans ad execs in their spare time as the potential new supervillain Buddy Lee was supposed to fight. A great evil, borne of incompetence and somehow rising to power.

The only downside was that no one really saw it that way, and now that their hero was supposed to be a villain, the concept quickly fizzled.

[krisidious]

I find "vwebworld's" comment detracting from the issue and negative, not to mention totally incorrect. a photographer or artist who captures scenes has no obligation to get written or other consent in which to display "his own photographs" as you have seen in the paparazzi frenzy of recent years, if you are in public space you are subject to your likeness being displayed in a variety of ways and hence have no presumption of privacy.

now if Andrew took photos and had text on his site saying these people are crooks or prostitutes or slandering them in some way there would be libel. That would be true of the text associated with the photo and not the photo itself.

Now that we have wasted those 5 minutes disproving someone’s off topic negatives… which by the way this site has far too much of…

I appreciate this topic, and will take some to heart in my own site. However is this not the same lessons learned by affiliate linking? Paying someone or giving them some type of credit in trade for links?

Is this not just link incentives 101?

I need an affiliate program.. I sell house plans and I too am worried about graphic hijackers… if Chandra searches the webpro forum under graphic security you’ll find some different way to protect your graphics… chandrika is number two in that search by the way…

That shows your trying… I use http://www.antssoft.com/htmlprotector/index.htm

Although it will mess your site up good if you don’t use it correctly…

well thank you for the post bhartzer i'll be keeping an eye on this one.

[Deliguy]

A more recent one would be the million dollar webpage.

[jimn]

The best link bait I have seen is http://www.oddtodd.com

Jim

[amabaie]

This is what I have been calling "magnetic content".

However, I have to admit that I am a bit lost as to the value of some of these. For example, if you are selling winter boots or cooling tower parts or bicycles or just about anything, how would it help to have a page of convention photos rank highly in the search engines, possibly even knocking off the page you really want to rank highly.

It is crucial that the magnetic content be of a character to lead buyers through the website.

[internet-engine]

Does anyone have examples of "link bait" that they would like to share with us?

I'm not sure if this qualifies but, be have used a web award for a number of years. They were in vogue back when we started it but there hasn't been a lot of new interest during recent years.

You can find it at
http://www.handi-ramp.com/Awards.htm

I'd be interested in comments and thoughts about using this methodology for generating links and any ideas that might be out there to reinitiate this.

Thanks,
Handiramp
www.handiramp.com
Providing Ramps for the disabled since 1958.

[Deliguy]

has anyone else noticed that the view replies link for this post on the main page goes to the featured post from yesterday?

[espectations]

I think this one will also qualify - free software download in exchange for a link.

Would that qualify as link bait?

Couple of months ago I wrote an article about the use of barcode SMS - it got picked up by some blog posters, they contacted me for permission to use it and added their own thoughts and comments to it.

So articles covering controversial topics or new technology will also elicit a response.

[johreiki]

bhartzer, I have the same issue as chandrika. How to you deter 'hot linking'? By the way great paper on 'link bate'. DA

One very simple thing that may fool most hot-linkers is to use images as backgrounds, and put a transparent .gif on top of the image -- for example:

<p style="width: 400px; height: 300px; background: transparent url(background.jpg);">
image.gif
</p>

People who know HTML will probably figure out what you're doing....but I suspect that most people who would stoop to hot-linking images are not that savvy; that the only way they find the image URL is by right-clicking on the image.

The transparent .gif is needed because some browsers will reveal background images on right-clicking. With the .gif in place, the hot-linker will only get a link to the transparency.... (It may be helpful, also, to use a little cleverness in the naming of the images: In the example above, the "real" image is named background.jpg, and the transparency is named image.gif -- so if someone does investigate your HTML [searching for ".jpg", for instance], they will find (e.g.) background.jpg, instead of Bill-and-Marie-at-the-seashore.jpg.) They will have Bill-and-Marie-at-the-seashore.gif -- but it will be nothing visible!

[chad19]

Here's a type of link bait: give people some code they want -- which includes a link back:

http://acme-web-design.info/free-web-traffic-counter.php

A webcounter tool which generates drop-in counters with fun graphics.

But if you look carefully, each resulting counter has a small link under it back to the acme site.

[vwebworld]

Warning: If you do not want to waste 5 minutes jump to the next post.

Permission may be required in the example given because
"Andrew" was using the photos for commercial purposes
...the whole link bait thing. Permission in this case
is a grey area because it might be argued it is "news".
However, since the example given expressed
"Andrew's" intent was to get traffic to his site (and
possibly ad revenue) one could argue that the photos were
indeed taken and published for "comercial purposes".

You can take a photo of most anyone - it's the
publishing of that photo that rasies other rights
for the people in the photo.

~Roland

[Faglork]

Somehow the quoting function does not work, so I quote manually:


Personal Rights Issues
If the photograph is that of a person, you must also obtain permission of the person depicted in the photograph to use his or her likeness. The courts of the United States and some other jurisdictions have recognized a “right of publicity,” a right that derives from the “right of privacy.” These rights apply to all living persons and, under certain circumstances, those dead.

Same here in Germany (just to affirm that).



"The paparazzi " is DIFFERENT, they are taking photos of public figures who unfortunately
do not have the same privacy protections as you and
me.

In Germany (don't know about US), it is also different when you photograph "masses", like people on a trade fair, as opposed to individuals. If your photo focuses on one or a handfull of clearly discernible persons, you've got to get permission.
For those who are intereted and understand German:
http://www.sakowski.de/skripte/eig_bild.html



Now that we have wasted those 5 minutes disproving someone’s off topic negatives

This is not disproving anything. When making statements about legal issues which might get someone into serious trouble if they were inaccurate, I strongly suggest to back them up with links to official sites which do in fact prove your statements (we are on the web, aren't we). And please let's not confuse personal opinions with proven facts.

From "Publication of Photographs: Is A Release Required?" on http://www.publaw.com/photo.html :



Guidelines when Publishing Photographs of Individuals

* Because there are many nuances to the right of privacy and publicity laws it is advisable to always obtain a written release from any individual that would be recognized in a photograph.
* Obtain a release even if the individual's image will initially be used for a newsworthy purpose in the event that you may want to use the individual's photograph for other trade or commercial uses.
* Don't forget that if the individual is a minor, you will need parental or guardian consent.
* Make certain you caption the photograph correctly.
* Be careful when cropping a photograph that you do not alter the context in which the photograph was taken.
* If you decide to use a photograph without a release make certain it was obtained without trespassing on private property, that it does not violate an individual's right of privacy or publicity or that it is protected by a First Amendment use.
* Releases are generally not required from people who are identifiable in a photograph of a street or public place, provided that the photograph is reasonably related to the subject matter and the identifiable people are not the focus of the photograph. An example of a permitted use would be a photograph of the Rockefeller Center Ice Rink that was used to illustrate a book about Rockefeller Center or about New York City attractions, even though many people may be identifiable.

See also
Photographers' Guide to Privacy:
http://www.rcfp.org/photoguide/

Journalists' Right of Privacy Primer:
http://www.mobar.org/press/medhnbk3.htm

____________________________________________

As for a link bait example, I can offer
http://www.roterochs.de/serviettenfalten/

This is the homepage of a restaurant, and it offers instructions on how to fold table napkins.



faglork

[ctabuk]

I've seen some good posts in my time here at WPW - but this is one of the best I've seen, many thanks to all of you.

[OneMoreBite]

An excellent link bait example is the weight loss ticker (displays the progress of weight loss from their starting point, where they are now and where they want to be) from TickerFactor.com (http://www.tickerfactory.com/ezticker/ticker_designer.php). People are using these in their signatures at various forums. I first saw this at About.com's Weight Loss forum (http://weightloss.about.com/mpboards.htm).

Here's how TickerFactory.com describe's it: "Add a useful graphical tracker to your message board signature, home page or blogs using the TickerFactory.com free tickers. No registration required. Start configuring your ticker immediately."

How cool is that? Wish I'd thought of it. ;-)

Kathryn

[bhartzer]

However, I have to admit that I am a bit lost as to the value of some of these... how would it help to have a page of convention photos rank highly in the search engines, possibly even knocking off the page you really want to rank highly.

It is crucial that the magnetic content be of a character to lead buyers through the website.

amabaie, the page of 'convention photos' wouldn't rank well necessarily--but they might depending on the keywords and copy used on the page of convention photos. In any case, the page of photos is getting on-topic links, from competitors' web sites or sites that share the same topic (which will transfer PageRank as well as link credit to the site).

The whole point of this would be get other websites that share your same topic to link to your website. The value of an on-topic link from one of your competitors is very powerful. Besides, chances are that people who attended the convention would be interested in the photos--and they will probably move on to check out the rest of your web site.

[AuctionHugh]

One very simple thing that may fool most hot-linkers is to use images as backgrounds, and put a transparent .gif on top of the image -- for example:

<p style="width: 400px; height: 300px; background: transparent url(background.jpg);">
image.gif
</p>


Extremely cool trick, thanks for sharing that.

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[Ravenhawk]

[quote=daustin]bhartzer, I have the same issue as chandrika. How to you deter 'hot linking'? By the way great paper on 'link bate'. DA

One very simple thing that may fool most hot-linkers is to use images as backgrounds, and put a transparent .gif on top of the image -- for example:

<p style="width: 400px; height: 300px; background: transparent url(background.jpg);">
image.gif
</p>

Another way to avoid hot linking is to switch to a server that supplies you with some simple tools for preventing hotlinking, such as a server running Cpanel which provides tools for preventing hotlinking.

[bhartzer]

How to stop hotlinking (http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=59703&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=) is definitely something that you should do--but did you know that by stopping hotlinking in most cases you can get people to link to your site (the pages that contain the images) if you implement it?

I've noticed that if your pages link directly to the images then people will link to your images. But, if you stop hotlinking through .htaccess and post them on a separate html page on your site then the people who might have hotlinked will end up linking to your pages--which is a type of 'link bait'.

[williamc]

I've noticed that if your pages link directly to the images then people will link to your images. But, if you stop hotlinking through .htaccess and post them on a separate html page on your site then the people who might have hotlinked will end up linking to your pages--which is a type of 'link bait'.

Very nice observation and tip. Ihad not even thought of this little trick before actually, tho I do put most images on their own pages by default.

[kgun]

Another way to avoid hot linking is to switch to a server that supplies you with some simple tools for preventing hotlinking, such as a server running Cpanel which provides tools for preventing hotlinking.

Hotlink protection, is'nt that put on by default by serious hosters?

Is a screendump of a picture a (paparazzi) photography?

"Link bait" is that a new word for "smart digital Ad" (beneficial in the short run).

In the end content and money will win. If you have a too open mind, people will throw rubbish at you.

Is this

Object oriented programming (www.oopschool.com)was invented in Norway in the 1960's. Now 40 years later, foreigners come to us and sell oop solutions.

a "link bait"?

[mike]

Let's keep this thread on the link bait subject. If you would like to discuss hotlinking, that would be a great thread on it's own. But let's not hijack Bill's thread.

[incrediblehelp]

Aren't we confusing great content or just plain fun or funny websites with link bait? Super Greg achieved many back links because it is a funny, ridiculous website, not because he was trying to get back links, right?

I would like to see more clearer examples of link bait where the owner of the website is offering something clearer for the reason of achieving a back link and not just traffic to his/her website.

[greeneagle]

incrediblehelp:


"Aren't we confusing great content or just plain fun or funny websites with link bait?"

We have flirted with the gap between "viral marketing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketing)" and "Link Bait" aka "spider food" in the course of this thread, but IMO the thread owner, bhartzer has done a good job of keeping the thread in it's proper context of what he intended and the true definitions of "Link Bait" and "Spider Food" all along.

Good current examples of attempts at "viral marketing" as opposed to "Link Bait" would be some of the Sites discussed in this thread:

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=59332

Ken

[MtraX]

Chandrika, I've also had this happen and gladly updated the pics in my site (I changed the names) and then uploaded ads that I created to overwrite the old pics. I had ads on quite a few sites that only got picked up on much later :-)

[bhartzer]

Aren't we confusing great content or just plain fun or funny websites with link bait?
Fun and funny websites are good examples of link bait, but link bait can be other types of content, as well.

Consider a B2B--a company who sells to other companies. A B2B company can post articles on their site about their industry. They could write an online dictionary or glossary of terms in their field.

Blogs by company CEOs could be considered link bait.

[kgun]

Fun and funny websites are good examples of link bait, but link bait can be other types of content, as well.

Yes and fun and funny websites can have great content :-)

[Burf.com]

I tried to read most of this and its very interesting. (like the idea to protect images, my friend needs that badly, he had half a million hits in 10 days thanks to people on myspace.com knicking using his images)

Isn't Articles link biat? I mean everyone using people articles link back and thus create links for you?

[greeneagle]

Images are great "link bait" for Google Images when named and alt texed appropiately, and many surfers are more image proned in their thought processes. We do have left and right brained surfers.

Most image protectionism methods tend to hurt appropiate "Google Image" listings.... Just be careful. You don't want to bite the hand that feeds you, if you have a predominately image based site.

Watermarks are cool, there.

Ken

[bhartzer]

Isn't Articles link biat?
Yes, they are. Post the articles on your site and people will link to them if they're good.

In the case of distributing articles, you're creating links as well--and people will link to them if they're good which in turn will link to you.

[Burf.com]

Thought so, I have a good games server on my site which gets quite a few hits, I bet people link to that

[kgun]

Yes, they are. Post the articles on your site and people will link to them if they're good.

One of the reasons why it is important to syndicate your articles with RSS and useful links to your site.

[krisidious]

vwebworld
you think when the inquirer publishers a picture of Brad pitt they ask his permission? if you walking down the street I can take a picture and sell it to anyone.. and make money off it...

now stay on topic...

link baiting? (http://www.bonsaikitten.com/)

[Burf.com]

Thanks CTABUK

What other ways can we product worth while but cheap link bait?

[ctabuk]

Yes, they are. Post the articles on your site and people will link to them if they're good.

One of the reasons why it is important to syndicate your articles with RSS and useful links to your site.

Kgun, can this work reciprocally? By this I mean by having links out of your site that could be used to incite people to link back to yours?

[s_clay]

Matt Cutts take on Linkbait: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-advice-linkbait-and-linkbaiting/

[bhartzer]

So maybe Matt reads WebProWorld?? ;)

[Faglork]

Yes, they are. Post the articles on your site and people will link to them if they're good.

One of the reasons why it is important to syndicate your articles with RSS and useful links to your site.

Kgun, can this work reciprocally? By this I mean by having links out of your site that could be used to incite people to link back to yours?

Not quite, but close:
- you provide articles and publish an RSS feed
- the RSS feed gets picked up by news aggregators on other sites
- the news aggregators provide the headline as a link back to you (sometimes also a teaser text)
- when users clicks the headline, they land on your page

See it in action:
Original articles published:
http://www.wiesentbote.de
(just one example)

Syndicated selected news on other site:
http://www.goldner-stern.de/fraenkische-schweiz/kultur-nachrichten.shtml
(note keyword-rich backlinks)

An example of a multi-feed aggregator:
http://hoadl.net/news/
(scroll down, it is the fifth item in the left column)

All in German, but you get the idea.

faglork

[incrediblehelp]

How about a Link Bait contest (http://www.biznichemedia.com/2006/01/biznichemedia_l.html) from Adam at BizNicheMedia.

Just cut to the chase and ask for ideas, LOL. The funniest thing about this is the contest itself is going to result as the winner!

[digitallabz]

How about a Link Bait contest (http://www.biznichemedia.com/2006/01/biznichemedia_l.html) from Adam at BizNicheMedia.

Just cut to the chase and ask for ideas, LOL. The funniest thing about this is the contest itself is going to result as the winner!

You are right that itself is a linkbaiting technique.

Free Article Submission (http://www.articlenetworks.com)
Free Press Release (http://free-press-release.articlenetworks.com)
Free Directory Submission (http://directory.articlenetworks.com)

[incrediblehelp]

Link Bait (http://seogenerations.ning.com/) for us SEO's

[Burf.com]

Worked for me, I added myself!

[SemAdvance]

I can say this is an excellent post and if we stopped and thought about it this post is Excellent link bait (http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?p=279089) itself.


Also if you find people hotlinking to your site simply take a picture of your url and rename it to the pic being hotlinked or for some real fun think of what you could take a picture of that would embarrass the hotlink thief..

Free advertising !!!

Peace

[krisidious]

I posted the bonsai kitten link...

to all those offended... I'm sorry

I think you all have missed my point, the link bait here was not for bonsai kitten website. it was for WPW this my friends is link bait. now I had no idea when I posted the link that this would result, however it is the lesson I learned.

now with that said, I found the link to the bonsai kitten in a hoax rich environment, but I did spend about 2 hours plotting the demise of one bonsai kitten site owner.

I rescue neighborhood cats, through my own TNR program here in Springfield, in the last year we have Trapped Neutered and Released about 30 cats, and found homes for about 5 of those, we have also rescued and found adoptive homes for 5 dogs. You can adopt one here http://www.aboveallhouseplans.com/animalrescue/index.htm

If you find this kitten bonsai thing offensive then do something and adopt animal if not from us then from someone, you local municipal pound is a good place as they destroy the most animals…

I think this was an excellent thread and that we all learned a lot, what got me started …
I was censored by ctabuk, which drives me crazy…

# 1 I’m an American and I can say anything I want.
# 2 I thought this thread was relevant and on topic….
# 3 I get a kick out of watching people squirm.

So I complained that I was censored and Mike kindly reinstated my post. This is not a animal cruelty website, this is not a social critique website, this IS a Webmaster Forum or as the name implies, a World of Web Professionals … so that in mind I would think we would see more discussion on

perhaps the fact that this was link bait for rotten.com or

perhaps the whois info on the site, so that we might object with their host and not to admins of WPW.

perhaps how this site which is raking in huge traffic has no Google Adsense account?

Perhaps how the webmaster is most likely using the one thing he is getting from this site. The e-mail addresses of millions of cat lover’s who are e-mailing him to complain.

But no…

And for you burf.com … two things…

first off lighten up man.

Secondly…

no means “an act or instance of refusing or denying by the use of the word no”
know means to perceive directly : have direct cognition of , to recognize the nature of to be acquainted or familiar with , to have experience of) it seems like you have some issues with the use of these two words…

now with all that said… thanks to Mike for not giving in to petty complaints, and sticking to the rules… however thin I may stretch them.

[ctabuk]

Hi, firstly, if and when a Mod gets a complaint, we have to look at it. We don't enjoy censoring, and I did PM you - there was some backlash to the link and if you want to post the www.coolwhois.com report, then feel free to, no problem. Friends?

[greeneagle]

IMO - You both, Kristoff and David conveyed your positions with professionalism, points are well taken in both positions.

Kristoff: As an animal lover: "Hat's off " to you for your rescue endeavors! I sincerely hope you don't feel after this issue that you are not welcome at WPW!

David (ctabuk): "Hat's off" to you in your professional moderation through this entire thread and those that were posted elsewhere.

Ken

[krisidious]

friends of course...

I love to argue and debate...

and I love WPW and wouldn't leave if you made me...

come on just try it... I double dawg dare you....

all in all good post and good conversation.