Has the dust settled on Jagger?

[nipplecharms1]

Ok, its been a few weeks now (or does it just seem like a year to ME?) that the "Jag" was first unleashed on an unsuspecting SEO community.

I have read many a-post here detailing thoughts and assumptions concerning the "why's" and “where-fore's” of this algorithm change.

I have read other posts that tried to delineate what the ramifications are to us, the site owner, to us, the site optimizer and to us, the search engine user. Have all of these questions and post, in my last lifetime’s vernacular, been “too new to rate?”

I guess the question is:

“IS IT OVER YET?”

I have seen serious fluctuations on the “G” proper and many of its data centers. On my term “body jewelry”, for example, I was as low as #202 on Oct. 24, #59 on Nov. 8 and today I am registered at an unrespectable #87. I guess it’s better than a sharp stick in the eye.

Before I even begin to test via my livelihood, I want to make sure that the “G” is done with it's playful ways. If it is not, I have enough self-control to wait…. but not until the next G-update in the spring.

I would appreciate, and so would some of our other novice brethren, any insight, in one post, on the continuing saga of….. As the “G” turns. Or, As the sands through the hourglass, so are the “Days of our Lives…….” (Ok, I needed a chuckle!)

Thanks gang. Comments and a good disinfectant are always welcome!

Michael

[dburdon]

NC,

I'm still detecting small fluctuations but nothing more than you'd expect. It seems that the dust has settled.
In the llast week I've detected a ripple in the Yahoo results. See my observations regarding convergence between the various engines in another thread:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=56185

David Burdon

[nipplecharms1]

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=56185

David Burdon



Dear David,

Thanks for your thoughts.

In reading your thread, my head was admittedly spinning.




3. Reciprocal links
5. Links with little variation in the anchor text (i.e. appear unnatural).


#3 - Are you saying that all my work on reciprocal links are less that enamoured by Google? I have seen this comment before. How the "h-e-double hockey sticks" can you get good links without exchanging? I would not want someone else’s link on my page and get nothing in return.

#5 – can you give me an example in my world?



Even if nothing else changes some of the other influences must, by definition, be stronger. My candidates for this include:

1. Inbound links from relevant pages
2. Natural links contained within the body of relevant text
3. Outbound links to relevant pages
4. Outbound links with relevant anchor text



#1 - I go back to how would you do this. I do have some competitors on my links page but man its like pulling teeth. One I approached stole an idea.
#2 – do you mean natural links within my own site, linking to my internal pages? and if so, should I link to internal pages or external (for example, a href="swinger-jewelry.html vs. a href="http://www.mysite....jewelry.html)
#3&4 – relevant to my terms or theirs?

Sorry if these are sophomoric questions. I need a handle on this, and through my ignorance, others may gain knowledge. Ok, the hell with them, I want the smarts! :)

Thanks David,

Michael

[ADAM Web Design]

In terms of the individual datacenters, they seem to have settled down depending on what update they're on.

The problem is that it doesn't appear that they're all on the same update.

http://66.102.9.104/search?hl=en&q=Toronto+web+design
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVXA,DVXA:2005-04,DVXA:en&q=Toronto+web+design

http://66.102.9.104/search?hl=en&q=gas+fireplaces+Toronto
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVXA,DVXA:2005-04,DVXA:en&q=gas+fireplaces+Toronto

http://66.102.9.104/search?hl=en&q=HVAC+Info
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVXA,DVXA:2005-04,DVXA:en&q=HVAC+Info

Those are just two datacenters, but the first of the two is the one Matt Cutts has stated is the J3 datacenter. I don't know if it's because of different algos or different databases across the DCs or a bit of both, but one way or the other, I don't think any conclusions can be drawn yet.

[LinkMaster]

The Jag is done - everyone can go back to work now. You can either get back to developing websites and making money, or you could spend more time debating whether Jag is done yet. Those are the choices.

;-)

[nashville]

If its done then that must mean all the data centers are not supposed to be the same?

On one I am #7 for a keyword and on the other not in the top 30.

Can we all vote for the data center we want Google to use :-)

[miss_beth]

I'm still getting wildly different results. We're no longer flirting with position 300 (thank goodness) but we vary from 89 on 64.233.161.104 to 44 on 66.102.7.104. I'm used to a variance of 2 or 3 or even 5 or 6 but a 49 position spread?

[LinkMaster]

I don't go through all the datacenters. I just go to google.com and check it. If it stays the same way for over a week, the update is done - at least until the next one occurs. That's the way I've always done it, and it's never failed. The Jag is done for now. You can clock back in and go to work - LOL!

As far as shifting goes, that's always going to happen. Google is a living organism, always shifting. A major update is a different story. That's when the "deck gets shuffled". That's when the tornado hits. That's when Jaggizzle slams the Gizzle like a load of shizzle hitting the fanizzle.

Matt said J3 is done, that's good for me. I'm off to develop more sites. Adios!

;-)

[ADAM Web Design]

You're never one to let facts get in the way of a good story, are you, LinkMaster?

First of all, before anyone gets the wrong idea, Matt Cutts didn't actually say that Jagger3 was done. What he did say was that it was winding down, and that Jagger2 and 1 were done.

For those who want to see the statement:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/jagger-winding-down

Even the URL says it's winding down. Not done. Not finished. Winding down.

And until either he updates that blog or someone can show where Matt has publicly stated something more recent, then that's pretty well where we're at.

Just because one datacenter doesn't move for a week doesn't mean the update is finished. By that logic, that's like saying "okay, the Toronto Blue Jays haven't adjusted their roster in a week, so the entire league must be done making moves too." It doesn't make sense.

The ONLY thing that has happened is that J3 has not spread to the other DCs yet.

[nipplecharms1]

I am pretty sure I only meant to start a small firestorm with this post! My day is now complete! Kidding!!!!!!

I tend to agree with Adam. Although LinkMaster makes a point, I still see too much fluctuation even on Gizizzile.com for there to be definitive proof its over. I was hoping it was over last week. We were sitting pretty then. Nice to be #1 on some keywordizzles! We are starting to shift down in other secondary words again.

I guess getting back to work is a good idea. Unless of course, the old paradigm (or pair of dimes if you will) does not work anymore!

Is it too early to get a double martini straight up!

Michael

[ADAM Web Design]

Of course you tend to agree with me. I know everything! (Except why women have cold feet when they get into bed with you. What's up with that?) :)

[greeneagle]

As far as I am concerned; "the dust" has settled enough to act in a controlled manner and I don't think parameters have changed much. I believe what we are seeing in Jagger is, what we already knew has gained importance through accentuated reinforcement primarily.

Ken

[jestep]

The ONLY thing that has happened is that J3 has not spread to the other DCs yet.

I agree completely. Since Jagger3 started on certain datacenters, it has still not spread to all of them. Only about 1/3 by my counting.

Unless you are searching exclusively on the updated datacenters, then you aren't even seeing Jagger3. I think that some people are still in for a surprise that aren't searching on Jagger3 datacenters because there was just as much shifting with 3 as 1 or 2.

[nipplecharms1]

Of course you tend to agree with me. I know everything! (Except why women have cold feet when they get into bed with you. What's up with that?) :)

Hey, when you got it, you got it!! LOL

Oh the problem with you and your women... try some nice non piercing jewelry (htt://www.nipplecharms.com).. damn.. always selling!! :)

Thanks all!

Michael

[LinkMaster]

Of course you tend to agree with me. I know everything!
The blind will lead the blind right into the ditch, and neither one of them will be found in the SERPS. Instead of working they will be wasting their time posting stuff that they have no clue about.

:-0

[LinkMaster]

As far as I am concerned; "the dust" has settled enough to act in a controlled manner and I don't think parameters have changed much. I believe what we are seeing in Jagger is, what we already knew has gained importance through accentuated reinforcement primarily.
Well said.

;-)

[ADAM Web Design]

Of course you tend to agree with me. I know everything!
The blind will lead the blind right into the ditch, and neither one of them will be found in the SERPS. Instead of working they will be wasting their time posting stuff that they have no clue about.

:-0

And why do you choose to lead the blind into the ditch, exactly?

[nipplecharms1]

Hey, play nice. You don't want the mods in here mucking around... No Offence Ken! :)

I am just trying to get a handle on what is still going on and if anyone knows anything concrete.

Don't make me sorry I asked! Not that I am EVER SORRY!

Time to go take new pictures.. Something constructive!

Thanks

Michael